Looks like they offer a short cage option with the ability to pick the number of speeds in software. It could be super cool on a DH bike if it’s built well.
It doesn’t look like the battery is swappable though which would be a major negative.
Correct, basically just reposting an ad by a Chinese company, with no 3rd party assessment. Maybe it’s a great product, but I thought vital was more...
Correct, basically just reposting an ad by a Chinese company, with no 3rd party assessment. Maybe it’s a great product, but I thought vital was more of a review site, rather than an advertising platform. Simple things like there are no 14 speed cassettes yet, and no real way to set the indexing between sram and shimano standards (although very small) and the obvious name of “GX” coincidentally the same letters SRAM uses for their lower end wireless drivetrain, make seem like another low effort Chinese product with a lot more refining to be done before brought to market.
Not too into the whole GX lookalike. But other than that, I hope it's decent as I'm offended by AXS not letting me set a different # of gears etc, maybe this'll be a bit more open. Not that I'd be in the market for a wireless derailleur, but there's just no reason not to let people choose what cassette to run the RD with(*).
* ..I'm aware of step size and geometry etc playing a role, but that's a worthy trade off.
Looks like they offer a short cage option with the ability to pick the number of speeds in software. It could be super cool on a...
Looks like they offer a short cage option with the ability to pick the number of speeds in software. It could be super cool on a DH bike if it’s built well.
It doesn’t look like the battery is swappable though which would be a major negative.
Doesn't SRAM hold the patent on removable derailleur batteries?
Either they found a way around it somehow or simply don't care
I'm far from an expert on patents (and that one is especially hard to read) but I'm not seeing anything where it mentions removable batteries or power sources.
I found what I think is the original SRAM patent and I'm also not seeing anything talking about battery or power source mounting. It looks to me like most of the patent is about motor layout and the breakaway motor clutch.
I’m confused by why you guys are promoting some Chinese knockoff electronic shifting on Instagram, doesn’t seem very on brand.
Knockoff how exactly? Because it has 2 chain pulley wheels? Because it has a lower cage that extends and takes up chain slack and is spring loaded and clutch damped? Because it makes the chain go up and down the cassette? Because it attaches to a rear derailleur hanger?
This has to be one of the weakest "It's just a cheap Chinese knockoff" accusations I have ever seen. About the only thing it shares with SRAM is it's wireless, and so when Shimano finally steps up to the plate in 2025 with their true 100% wireless rear derailleur, I guess they'll be "Cheap Japanese knockoffs"....
I'm far from an expert on patents (and that one is especially hard to read) but I'm not seeing anything where it mentions removable batteries or...
I'm far from an expert on patents (and that one is especially hard to read) but I'm not seeing anything where it mentions removable batteries or power sources.
I found what I think is the original SRAM patent and I'm also not seeing anything talking about battery or power source mounting. It looks to me like most of the patent is about motor layout and the breakaway motor clutch.
Can you clarify what they've got patented?
I'm not any kind of lawyer or patent expert but I think it's this: "The electronic rear derailleur may further provide that the power source is removably connected to the base member and the motor is positioned at the movable member."
"The invention relates to a power supply for a bicycle derailleur (10, 110), comprising; a housing (2d) sized and shaped to be removably mounted to a bicycle derailleur (10, 110); a battery (2) disposed in the housing (2d); a terminal (2c) on the outside of the housing (2d) and in electrical communication with the battery (2); and a securing mechanism (1a, 39) on the bicycle derailleur (10, 110) for releasably retaining the housing (2d) thereon. The power supply is configured to be interchangeably mountable to a rear derailleur (10) and a front derailleur (110)."
Knockoff how exactly? Because it has 2 chain pulley wheels? Because it has a lower cage that extends and takes up chain slack and is spring...
Knockoff how exactly? Because it has 2 chain pulley wheels? Because it has a lower cage that extends and takes up chain slack and is spring loaded and clutch damped? Because it makes the chain go up and down the cassette? Because it attaches to a rear derailleur hanger?
This has to be one of the weakest "It's just a cheap Chinese knockoff" accusations I have ever seen. About the only thing it shares with SRAM is it's wireless, and so when Shimano finally steps up to the plate in 2025 with their true 100% wireless rear derailleur, I guess they'll be "Cheap Japanese knockoffs"....
LOL
It's GeX, not GX! There are 3 battery vents, not 5! The parts aren't cheap, they're cost optimized! Our .us website is registered in Alaska, the C31/CN registrar nexus category is absolutely not China!
Not sure what bikeyoke models you've worked on but I find them a dream to rebuild - the devine (?) post without an IFP is so...
Not sure what bikeyoke models you've worked on but I find them a dream to rebuild - the devine (?) post without an IFP is so simple inside it makes a real mockery of all the brands that use an IFP but have terrible reliability. Personally I think everyone should be copying them (but at least pay for a post if you are going to do that!)
Seriously as great of an invention the dropper post is, they are still far from perfect and Bikeyoke proved it doesn't need to be as complicated as others have made out
As for the OG thing - is seems to me like they had discussions and maybe OG jumped the gun before a contract was signed - if so, then tough luck. If they went ahead developing a product which wasn't what BY was after then without a contract thats on them IMO. I do hear of that kind of thing in all industries - heck I get a lot of people hitting me up for testing and development advice but I know full well if I start looking in to it without agreeing on some kind of payment then I'm basically doing it for free. And I'm fine with that, but I have to accept that if I sink a bunch of time in to testing without some kind of agreement then I probably won't get anything back from it
Yeah but your mechanical skills are 10x mine. You’d probably think rebuilding a rocket engine isn’t too tricky.
Given enough time I could figure out how to rebuild that post. Then I wouldn’t do it for a year and totally forget how to do it and be in the same quagmire. The OneUp is brilliant in its simplicity for us average garage mechanics.
Knockoff how exactly? Because it has 2 chain pulley wheels? Because it has a lower cage that extends and takes up chain slack and is spring...
Knockoff how exactly? Because it has 2 chain pulley wheels? Because it has a lower cage that extends and takes up chain slack and is spring loaded and clutch damped? Because it makes the chain go up and down the cassette? Because it attaches to a rear derailleur hanger?
This has to be one of the weakest "It's just a cheap Chinese knockoff" accusations I have ever seen. About the only thing it shares with SRAM is it's wireless, and so when Shimano finally steps up to the plate in 2025 with their true 100% wireless rear derailleur, I guess they'll be "Cheap Japanese knockoffs"....
You’re missing the point.
It’s only knockoff if it comes from China.
Anyone else can pull this shit and no-one would bat an eyelid. No. One.
No I’m not going to buy one of their ders, but it is hilarious how publicly quick to offence some people get.
Genuinely looking forward to see how it fares in the review though.
Curious to why Madrone and Hopp are allowed to get away with what they’re doing!
The GeX is a gravel derailleur. The MTB one is OX. You guys even look at the WheelTop web page? I could have tried it if I had a bike to put it on but I haven't..
Knockoff how exactly? Because it has 2 chain pulley wheels? Because it has a lower cage that extends and takes up chain slack and is spring...
Knockoff how exactly? Because it has 2 chain pulley wheels? Because it has a lower cage that extends and takes up chain slack and is spring loaded and clutch damped? Because it makes the chain go up and down the cassette? Because it attaches to a rear derailleur hanger?
This has to be one of the weakest "It's just a cheap Chinese knockoff" accusations I have ever seen. About the only thing it shares with SRAM is it's wireless, and so when Shimano finally steps up to the plate in 2025 with their true 100% wireless rear derailleur, I guess they'll be "Cheap Japanese knockoffs"....
You’re missing the point.It’s only knockoff if it comes from China.Anyone else can pull this shit and no-one would bat an eyelid. No. One. No I’m not...
You’re missing the point.
It’s only knockoff if it comes from China.
Anyone else can pull this shit and no-one would bat an eyelid. No. One.
No I’m not going to buy one of their ders, but it is hilarious how publicly quick to offence some people get.
Genuinely looking forward to see how it fares in the review though.
Curious to why Madrone and Hopp are allowed to get away with what they’re doing!
So China still has a way to go before it regains the west's trust and respect vis-a-vis its own historical lack of respect for the west's intellectual property. That "Landwind" Range Rover Evoque knock-off was still on the market only five years ago, after all.
However, China has really stolen a march on the rest of the world with its EV technology, so there's no question about their capabilities.
The GeX is a gravel derailleur. The MTB one is OX. You guys even look at the WheelTop web page? I could have tried it if...
The GeX is a gravel derailleur. The MTB one is OX. You guys even look at the WheelTop web page? I could have tried it if I had a bike to put it on but I haven't..
Was looking at the IG post that started this.
But now that you mention it, I thoroughly enjoyed their about us page… a true classic of the genre!
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Knockoff how exactly? Because it has 2 chain pulley wheels? Because it has a lower cage that extends and takes up chain slack and is spring...
Knockoff how exactly? Because it has 2 chain pulley wheels? Because it has a lower cage that extends and takes up chain slack and is spring loaded and clutch damped? Because it makes the chain go up and down the cassette? Because it attaches to a rear derailleur hanger?
This has to be one of the weakest "It's just a cheap Chinese knockoff" accusations I have ever seen. About the only thing it shares with SRAM is it's wireless, and so when Shimano finally steps up to the plate in 2025 with their true 100% wireless rear derailleur, I guess they'll be "Cheap Japanese knockoffs"....
You’re missing the point.It’s only knockoff if it comes from China.Anyone else can pull this shit and no-one would bat an eyelid. No. One. No I’m not...
You’re missing the point.
It’s only knockoff if it comes from China.
Anyone else can pull this shit and no-one would bat an eyelid. No. One.
No I’m not going to buy one of their ders, but it is hilarious how publicly quick to offence some people get.
Genuinely looking forward to see how it fares in the review though.
Curious to why Madrone and Hopp are allowed to get away with what they’re doing!
So China still has a way to go before it regains the west's trust and respect vis-a-vis its own historical lack of respect for the west's...
So China still has a way to go before it regains the west's trust and respect vis-a-vis its own historical lack of respect for the west's intellectual property. That "Landwind" Range Rover Evoque knock-off was still on the market only five years ago, after all.
However, China has really stolen a march on the rest of the world with its EV technology, so there's no question about their capabilities.
You can't make this shit up. This is what happens when the offenders are state sponsored. The ones policing them are the ones funding.
Knockoff how exactly? Because it has 2 chain pulley wheels? Because it has a lower cage that extends and takes up chain slack and is spring...
Knockoff how exactly? Because it has 2 chain pulley wheels? Because it has a lower cage that extends and takes up chain slack and is spring loaded and clutch damped? Because it makes the chain go up and down the cassette? Because it attaches to a rear derailleur hanger?
This has to be one of the weakest "It's just a cheap Chinese knockoff" accusations I have ever seen. About the only thing it shares with SRAM is it's wireless, and so when Shimano finally steps up to the plate in 2025 with their true 100% wireless rear derailleur, I guess they'll be "Cheap Japanese knockoffs"....
LOLIt's GeX, not GX!There are 3 battery vents, not 5!The parts aren't cheap, they're cost optimized!Our .us website is registered in Alaska, the C31/CN registrar nexus...
LOL
It's GeX, not GX! There are 3 battery vents, not 5! The parts aren't cheap, they're cost optimized! Our .us website is registered in Alaska, the C31/CN registrar nexus category is absolutely not China!
Yeah, for me its the name and branding. You call its something else and no one makes knockoff accusations. They want people to mistake them for one another, and that's where it crosses the line.
You’re missing the point.It’s only knockoff if it comes from China.Anyone else can pull this shit and no-one would bat an eyelid. No. One. No I’m not...
You’re missing the point.
It’s only knockoff if it comes from China.
Anyone else can pull this shit and no-one would bat an eyelid. No. One.
No I’m not going to buy one of their ders, but it is hilarious how publicly quick to offence some people get.
Genuinely looking forward to see how it fares in the review though.
Curious to why Madrone and Hopp are allowed to get away with what they’re doing!
Madrone? The company that offers tools and individual parts unavailable anywhere else to repair/rebuild SRAM derailleurs? And then developed their own derailleur that is functionally and aesthetically distinct from SRAM's product's? That's a really weak comparison.
You’re missing the point.It’s only knockoff if it comes from China.Anyone else can pull this shit and no-one would bat an eyelid. No. One. No I’m not...
You’re missing the point.
It’s only knockoff if it comes from China.
Anyone else can pull this shit and no-one would bat an eyelid. No. One.
No I’m not going to buy one of their ders, but it is hilarious how publicly quick to offence some people get.
Genuinely looking forward to see how it fares in the review though.
Curious to why Madrone and Hopp are allowed to get away with what they’re doing!
Madrone? The company that offers tools and individual parts unavailable anywhere else to repair/rebuild SRAM derailleurs? And then developed their own derailleur that is functionally and...
Madrone? The company that offers tools and individual parts unavailable anywhere else to repair/rebuild SRAM derailleurs? And then developed their own derailleur that is functionally and aesthetically distinct from SRAM's product's? That's a really weak comparison.
Exactly.
If Madrone was making the Transmassion AXiS derailleur, they'd be getting called out too.
You’re missing the point.It’s only knockoff if it comes from China.Anyone else can pull this shit and no-one would bat an eyelid. No. One. No I’m not...
You’re missing the point.
It’s only knockoff if it comes from China.
Anyone else can pull this shit and no-one would bat an eyelid. No. One.
No I’m not going to buy one of their ders, but it is hilarious how publicly quick to offence some people get.
Genuinely looking forward to see how it fares in the review though.
Curious to why Madrone and Hopp are allowed to get away with what they’re doing!
The GeX is a gravel derailleur. The MTB one is OX. You guys even look at the WheelTop web page? I could have tried it if...
The GeX is a gravel derailleur. The MTB one is OX. You guys even look at the WheelTop web page? I could have tried it if I had a bike to put it on but I haven't..
Was looking at the IG post that started this.But now that you mention it, I thoroughly enjoyed their about us page… a true classic of the...
Was looking at the IG post that started this.
But now that you mention it, I thoroughly enjoyed their about us page… a true classic of the genre!
Welcome to Wheeltop.us!
Wheeltop.us is an online store. We are committed to providing our customers with A unique, superior and thoughtful online shopping experience. We have high quality manufacturers and suppliers; At the same time, we are constantly optimizing our purchasing and production processes to ensure that our products are of high quality. Please feel free to buy our products on the website.
Our website attaches great importance to customer service, and customers' opinions are important information to promote us to develop, improve and enhance ourselves. If you encounter any difficulties during your consumption, please check out other terms of our website or feel free to contact our staff. Contact information can be found in Contact us.
Thank you again for visiting our website and wish you a happy shopping trip!
You can rip on their English translation skills all you want, but I'll wager it's a helluvalot better than your Mandarin.
Their derailleur architecture looks more aligned to Sunrace's RDM series, just with a battery pack and servo rather than a pulley and housing stop.
Knockoff how exactly? Because it has 2 chain pulley wheels? Because it has a lower cage that extends and takes up chain slack and is spring...
Knockoff how exactly? Because it has 2 chain pulley wheels? Because it has a lower cage that extends and takes up chain slack and is spring loaded and clutch damped? Because it makes the chain go up and down the cassette? Because it attaches to a rear derailleur hanger?
This has to be one of the weakest "It's just a cheap Chinese knockoff" accusations I have ever seen. About the only thing it shares with SRAM is it's wireless, and so when Shimano finally steps up to the plate in 2025 with their true 100% wireless rear derailleur, I guess they'll be "Cheap Japanese knockoffs"....
LOLIt's GeX, not GX!There are 3 battery vents, not 5!The parts aren't cheap, they're cost optimized!Our .us website is registered in Alaska, the C31/CN registrar nexus...
LOL
It's GeX, not GX! There are 3 battery vents, not 5! The parts aren't cheap, they're cost optimized! Our .us website is registered in Alaska, the C31/CN registrar nexus category is absolutely not China!
Yeah, for me its the name and branding. You call its something else and no one makes knockoff accusations. They want people to mistake them for...
Yeah, for me its the name and branding. You call its something else and no one makes knockoff accusations. They want people to mistake them for one another, and that's where it crosses the line.
noch einer der den unterschied zwischen deren MTB (OX) und Gravel (GeX) Schaltwerk nicht verstanden hat
The GeX is a gravel derailleur. The MTB one is OX. You guys even look at the WheelTop web page? I could have tried it if...
The GeX is a gravel derailleur. The MTB one is OX. You guys even look at the WheelTop web page? I could have tried it if I had a bike to put it on but I haven't..
Was looking at the IG post that started this.But now that you mention it, I thoroughly enjoyed their about us page… a true classic of the...
Was looking at the IG post that started this.
But now that you mention it, I thoroughly enjoyed their about us page… a true classic of the genre!
Welcome to Wheeltop.us!
Wheeltop.us is an online store. We are committed to providing our customers with A unique, superior and thoughtful online shopping experience. We have high quality manufacturers and suppliers; At the same time, we are constantly optimizing our purchasing and production processes to ensure that our products are of high quality. Please feel free to buy our products on the website.
Our website attaches great importance to customer service, and customers' opinions are important information to promote us to develop, improve and enhance ourselves. If you encounter any difficulties during your consumption, please check out other terms of our website or feel free to contact our staff. Contact information can be found in Contact us.
Thank you again for visiting our website and wish you a happy shopping trip!
You can rip on their English translation skills all you want, but I'll wager it's a helluvalot better than your Mandarin. Their derailleur architecture looks more aligned...
You can rip on their English translation skills all you want, but I'll wager it's a helluvalot better than your Mandarin.
Their derailleur architecture looks more aligned to Sunrace's RDM series, just with a battery pack and servo rather than a pulley and housing stop.
Less about the translation than the content itself. Lots of words to say very little about who this company is.
It literally says its a sponsored post...
The text “sponsored post” down at the bottom ought to clear up the confusion.
People got bills to pay.
and we will have a review of it.
Looks like they offer a short cage option with the ability to pick the number of speeds in software. It could be super cool on a DH bike if it’s built well.
It doesn’t look like the battery is swappable though which would be a major negative.
Looks a helluva lot like my Status
Not too into the whole GX lookalike. But other than that, I hope it's decent as I'm offended by AXS not letting me set a different # of gears etc, maybe this'll be a bit more open. Not that I'd be in the market for a wireless derailleur, but there's just no reason not to let people choose what cassette to run the RD with(*).
* ..I'm aware of step size and geometry etc playing a role, but that's a worthy trade off.
Doesn't SRAM hold the patent on removable derailleur batteries?
Exactly, even granted in China https://patents.google.com/patent/CN103693155B/en
Either they found a way around it somehow or simply don't care
I'm far from an expert on patents (and that one is especially hard to read) but I'm not seeing anything where it mentions removable batteries or power sources.
I found what I think is the original SRAM patent and I'm also not seeing anything talking about battery or power source mounting. It looks to me like most of the patent is about motor layout and the breakaway motor clutch.
Can you clarify what they've got patented?
Knockoff how exactly? Because it has 2 chain pulley wheels? Because it has a lower cage that extends and takes up chain slack and is spring loaded and clutch damped? Because it makes the chain go up and down the cassette? Because it attaches to a rear derailleur hanger?
This has to be one of the weakest "It's just a cheap Chinese knockoff" accusations I have ever seen. About the only thing it shares with SRAM is it's wireless, and so when Shimano finally steps up to the plate in 2025 with their true 100% wireless rear derailleur, I guess they'll be "Cheap Japanese knockoffs"....
I'm not any kind of lawyer or patent expert but I think it's this:
"The electronic rear derailleur may further provide that the power source is removably connected to the base member and the motor is positioned at the movable member."
Found here: https://patents.google.com/patent/EP3165439A1/en
"The invention relates to a power supply for a bicycle derailleur (10, 110), comprising; a housing (2d) sized and shaped to be removably mounted to a bicycle derailleur (10, 110); a battery (2) disposed in the housing (2d); a terminal (2c) on the outside of the housing (2d) and in electrical communication with the battery (2); and a securing mechanism (1a, 39) on the bicycle derailleur (10, 110) for releasably retaining the housing (2d) thereon. The power supply is configured to be interchangeably mountable to a rear derailleur (10) and a front derailleur (110)."
LOL
It's GeX, not GX!
There are 3 battery vents, not 5!
The parts aren't cheap, they're cost optimized!
Our .us website is registered in Alaska, the C31/CN registrar nexus category is absolutely not China!
Yeah but your mechanical skills are 10x mine. You’d probably think rebuilding a rocket engine isn’t too tricky.
Given enough time I could figure out how to rebuild that post. Then I wouldn’t do it for a year and totally forget how to do it and be in the same quagmire. The OneUp is brilliant in its simplicity for us average garage mechanics.
Wheeltop EDS vs SRAM GX AXS:
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Wheeltop's G(supertinymisplaced)e X is to SRAM AXS GX as Transmorphers is to Transformers, or Chop Kick Panda to Kung Fu Panda.
Who do they think they'll fool with that branding?
You’re missing the point.
It’s only knockoff if it comes from China.
Anyone else can pull this shit and no-one would bat an eyelid. No. One.
No I’m not going to buy one of their ders, but it is hilarious how publicly quick to offence some people get.
Genuinely looking forward to see how it fares in the review though.
Curious to why Madrone and Hopp are allowed to get away with what they’re doing!
The GeX is a gravel derailleur. The MTB one is OX. You guys even look at the WheelTop web page? I could have tried it if I had a bike to put it on but I haven't..
So China still has a way to go before it regains the west's trust and respect vis-a-vis its own historical lack of respect for the west's intellectual property. That "Landwind" Range Rover Evoque knock-off was still on the market only five years ago, after all.
However, China has really stolen a march on the rest of the world with its EV technology, so there's no question about their capabilities.
Was looking at the IG post that started this.
But now that you mention it, I thoroughly enjoyed their about us page… a true classic of the genre!
Welcome to Wheeltop.us!
Wheeltop.us is an online store. We are committed to providing our customers with A unique, superior and thoughtful online shopping experience. We have high quality manufacturers and suppliers; At the same time, we are constantly optimizing our purchasing and production processes to ensure that our products are of high quality. Please feel free to buy our products on the website.
Our website attaches great importance to customer service, and customers' opinions are important information to promote us to develop, improve and enhance ourselves. If you encounter any difficulties during your consumption, please check out other terms of our website or feel free to contact our staff. Contact information can be found in Contact us.
Thank you again for visiting our website and wish you a happy shopping trip!
You can't make this shit up. This is what happens when the offenders are state sponsored. The ones policing them are the ones funding.
Source: https://www.cbp.gov/document/annual-report/fy-2023-ipr-seizure-statisti…
Yeah, for me its the name and branding. You call its something else and no one makes knockoff accusations. They want people to mistake them for one another, and that's where it crosses the line.
Madrone? The company that offers tools and individual parts unavailable anywhere else to repair/rebuild SRAM derailleurs? And then developed their own derailleur that is functionally and aesthetically distinct from SRAM's product's? That's a really weak comparison.
Exactly.
If Madrone was making the Transmassion AXiS derailleur, they'd be getting called out too.
I wasn’t asking a question. Hence the “!” at the end.
Was poking the “destroy China and all of her kind”gang 😉
The volume of negs speaks er volumes though 😅
It's only knockoff if it comes from China.
Otherwise its just sparkling IP theft.
You can rip on their English translation skills all you want, but I'll wager it's a helluvalot better than your Mandarin.
Their derailleur architecture looks more aligned to Sunrace's RDM series, just with a battery pack and servo rather than a pulley and housing stop.
noch einer der den unterschied zwischen deren MTB (OX) und Gravel (GeX) Schaltwerk nicht verstanden hat
Less about the translation than the content itself. Lots of words to say very little about who this company is.