Yup. And they were told to not be a copy cat again before release but apparently ignored it.
Copying arguably the best brake on the market and even doing improvements AND then iterating on them with more improvements is one thing. Blindly copying the most well known CNC crank on the market that is not even the best design for. A crank is just pure laziness...
I was in the give the benefit of doubt camp before this release, now there is no helping them.
Magnet works by magnetic moment (which origins from elemental quantity called spin) of unpaired electrons in material being aligned which produces a magnetic field. Roughly speaking...
Magnet works by magnetic moment (which origins from elemental quantity called spin) of unpaired electrons in material being aligned which produces a magnetic field. Roughly speaking ofc.
Side point here, we know its a bit of a pain to bust out the tape measure to figure out what size Chain Mag you need...
Side point here, we know its a bit of a pain to bust out the tape measure to figure out what size Chain Mag you need. Anyone who takes the time to do this for a bike we haven't catalogued yet and emails it to me, I'll fire you a 30% off code. Jeff AT ralibike.com
@jeff.brines just a heads up, it appears I can edit your fitment spreadsheet. May want to restrict edit permissions!
"there are only so many ways you design a crank" says the average vital user. People will buy the bullshit that they are just "inspired by the best" and vote with their money. I hope 5dev trolls them in typical 5dev fashion. The Germans are too nice.
What is next? CNC copy of Intend stems? Copy of Yoshimura pedals?🍿
"there are only so many ways you design a crank" says the average vital user. People will buy the bullshit that they are just "inspired by...
"there are only so many ways you design a crank" says the average vital user. People will buy the bullshit that they are just "inspired by the best" and vote with their money. I hope 5dev trolls them in typical 5dev fashion. The Germans are too nice.
What is next? CNC copy of Intend stems? Copy of Yoshimura pedals?🍿
"there are only so many ways you design a crank" says the average vital user. People will buy the bullshit that they are just "inspired by...
"there are only so many ways you design a crank" says the average vital user. People will buy the bullshit that they are just "inspired by the best" and vote with their money. I hope 5dev trolls them in typical 5dev fashion. The Germans are too nice.
What is next? CNC copy of Intend stems? Copy of Yoshimura pedals?🍿
HA! FWIW, when I was writing copy I did look up what word I should use and even asked GPT 4o, which is frankly better than me at writing. Here were the results. Obviously, I'm using definition "2".
HA! FWIW, when I was writing copy I did look up what word I should use and even asked GPT 4o, which is frankly better than...
HA! FWIW, when I was writing copy I did look up what word I should use and even asked GPT 4o, which is frankly better than me at writing. Here were the results. Obviously, I'm using definition "2".
Are there any reviews out for the Forbidden Supernought yet? It was released end of last year, yet I haven't seen any of the major outlets...
Are there any reviews out for the Forbidden Supernought yet? It was released end of last year, yet I haven't seen any of the major outlets do a review yet.
Blister has a review, but they're the only major outlet to have done so.
Are there any reviews out for the Forbidden Supernought yet? It was released end of last year, yet I haven't seen any of the major outlets...
Are there any reviews out for the Forbidden Supernought yet? It was released end of last year, yet I haven't seen any of the major outlets do a review yet.
I was OK with the Lewis brakes because of them being pretty open about them reverse engineering the trickstuff brakes and them gradually moving away from that design, but those cranks are ridiculous. Of all the cranks to rip off, why some of the ugliest on the market haha? Just don't get their visual appeal.
Yeah that's pretty blatant copying imho. Oh and the brakes are ok at best - I bought a set to test personally and it felt unpolished. Had one handlerbar clamp screw not able to tighten the clamp properly right out of the box. The power was OK, but for the price (I think it was $500 and change when I bought it) you can get yourself just about anything...Dominion A4s, Trp DHR Evos, Mavens, Maguras... Compared them side by side with the real deal Trickstuffs, and the difference was apparent. Even just the lever pull the TS had a bit more "refinement" and there was less play in the lever. In short - the brakes aren't the worst, but for the price there are MUCH better options. The cranks - there has to be a million ways to mill whatever pattern into the crank yet they had to be "inspired" by 5dev. It's BS, and my business will go to brands that actually innovate and do R&D.
They will likely respond by saying "no no no, you are all wrong. This is true innovation. We are definitely not copying. Here are the 3 ways we are clearly different."
Yeah that's pretty blatant copying imho. Oh and the brakes are ok at best - I bought a set to test personally and it felt unpolished...
Yeah that's pretty blatant copying imho. Oh and the brakes are ok at best - I bought a set to test personally and it felt unpolished. Had one handlerbar clamp screw not able to tighten the clamp properly right out of the box. The power was OK, but for the price (I think it was $500 and change when I bought it) you can get yourself just about anything...Dominion A4s, Trp DHR Evos, Mavens, Maguras... Compared them side by side with the real deal Trickstuffs, and the difference was apparent. Even just the lever pull the TS had a bit more "refinement" and there was less play in the lever. In short - the brakes aren't the worst, but for the price there are MUCH better options. The cranks - there has to be a million ways to mill whatever pattern into the crank yet they had to be "inspired" by 5dev. It's BS, and my business will go to brands that actually innovate and do R&D.
For the most part us actual lewis owners are pretty stoked with what we've got. I can't recommend them enough, and I know plenty of others who feel the same.
That being said I can't decide how to feel about the crank rip off, because people with the real 5devs aren't happy with them anyways (snapping)
Yeah that's pretty blatant copying imho. Oh and the brakes are ok at best - I bought a set to test personally and it felt unpolished...
Yeah that's pretty blatant copying imho. Oh and the brakes are ok at best - I bought a set to test personally and it felt unpolished. Had one handlerbar clamp screw not able to tighten the clamp properly right out of the box. The power was OK, but for the price (I think it was $500 and change when I bought it) you can get yourself just about anything...Dominion A4s, Trp DHR Evos, Mavens, Maguras... Compared them side by side with the real deal Trickstuffs, and the difference was apparent. Even just the lever pull the TS had a bit more "refinement" and there was less play in the lever. In short - the brakes aren't the worst, but for the price there are MUCH better options. The cranks - there has to be a million ways to mill whatever pattern into the crank yet they had to be "inspired" by 5dev. It's BS, and my business will go to brands that actually innovate and do R&D.
But since when were 5dev the pioneers of cnc’d cranks and lattice structures.
Pretty sure guys like Goldtec played with stuff like that in the late 90’s that was just as snappy.
Of all the companies to copy Lewis have really chosen badly this time. At least Trickstuff are expensive and work bloody well. Apart from being on Neko’s bikes 5dev’s reputation is not glowing.
Don’t take this as defence of Lewis.But since when were 5dev the pioneers of cnc’d cranks and lattice structures.Pretty sure guys like Goldtec played with stuff...
Don’t take this as defence of Lewis.
But since when were 5dev the pioneers of cnc’d cranks and lattice structures.
Pretty sure guys like Goldtec played with stuff like that in the late 90’s that was just as snappy.
Of all the companies to copy Lewis have really chosen badly this time. At least Trickstuff are expensive and work bloody well. Apart from being on Neko’s bikes 5dev’s reputation is not glowing.
I think it's more the fact that if just cemented Lewis as a copy cat brand.
Their only 2 products are ripoffs of extremely expensive high end western designs made by small companies which just doesn't feel good.
Like what's next, they release a bike that looks exactly like a V10?
I suppose one potential upside of them copying that design is people will probably get to test how good their customer services are. It'll be interesting to see how they deal with things in comparison. 😅
FWIW I think there are already a couple of 5DEV copies available on Alibaba.
Trickstuff have a very expensive and good product but haven’t done any improvements for years (and years). 5Dev are also very expensive but their product is not that good (according to the grapevine)
I don’t feel sorry for either of them being copied and along with Lewis, neither are on the list of things I have any desire to buy.
I bought my wife some 155mm 5dev cranks and they were great. It was a couple years back and hard to get hold of shorter cranks that are more popular today. What's next on the list for Lewis to copy? I'm gonna bet it's either pedals or hubs.
Don’t take this as defence of Lewis.But since when were 5dev the pioneers of cnc’d cranks and lattice structures.Pretty sure guys like Goldtec played with stuff...
Don’t take this as defence of Lewis.
But since when were 5dev the pioneers of cnc’d cranks and lattice structures.
Pretty sure guys like Goldtec played with stuff like that in the late 90’s that was just as snappy.
Of all the companies to copy Lewis have really chosen badly this time. At least Trickstuff are expensive and work bloody well. Apart from being on Neko’s bikes 5dev’s reputation is not glowing.
Besides, you can already purchase sketchy fly by night versions of 5dev's cranks. What's one more to add to the pile? I'd say that ordering and running $70 Aliexpress 5Dev cranks on your mountain bike would be a cool way to die, but I'd be wrong. The cranks are not cool.
Our own @jeff.brines released his new product today: https://www.ralibike.com/ Blow it up for him! I'm interested in getting one for sure! FYI Jeff- link to known Chain...
Thanks for the post (and noting the broken link). I just took care of it. As to the questions...1) Its pretty light. The low variant has a...
Thanks for the post (and noting the broken link). I just took care of it.
As to the questions...
1) Its pretty light. The low variant has a smaller magnet and weighs ~66 grams (total) whereas the medium and tall variant have larger magnets and weigh ~88 grams (total). These are untrimmed numbers.
2) While pedaling, there is zero additional friction. Pedaling forces always pull the chain off the magnet (immediately, you will not notice it). Also, while in the higher part of your cassette (say, climbing) the magnet is further from the chain and the force significantly weaker, which is by design.
Cheers and thx for the support!
I love the idea, but because I'm an incurable pessimist, my first thought is that the chain continually passing through the magnetic field is going to magnetise it. If you live in an area with a significant amount of iron in the soil/dirt, this could become a problem?
Yup. And they were told to not be a copy cat again before release but apparently ignored it.
Copying arguably the best brake on the market and even doing improvements AND then iterating on them with more improvements is one thing. Blindly copying the most well known CNC crank on the market that is not even the best design for. A crank is just pure laziness...
I was in the give the benefit of doubt camp before this release, now there is no helping them.
Whoosh.
@jeff.brines just a heads up, it appears I can edit your fitment spreadsheet. May want to restrict edit permissions!
"there are only so many ways you design a crank" says the average vital user. People will buy the bullshit that they are just "inspired by the best" and vote with their money. I hope 5dev trolls them in typical 5dev fashion. The Germans are too nice.
What is next? CNC copy of Intend stems? Copy of Yoshimura pedals?🍿
Dude, don't give them any new ideas.😁
P.S.
Thx! Locking it now.
I think 5Dev noticed.
HA! FWIW, when I was writing copy I did look up what word I should use and even asked GPT 4o, which is frankly better than me at writing. Here were the results. Obviously, I'm using definition "2".
😂
You’ll never dampen Vital’s enthusiasm for banter
Every vibration damping patent I've seen says dampening.
I guess the ink is still wet on those.
Would something intended to mitigate vibration in soiled Huggies be a damp diaper dampener or a dampened diaper damper?
Jokes aside, great idea @jeff.brines
HA! Thx dude. All credit goes to @Dave_Camp - he's the brains. I just... "work here".
Blister has a review, but they're the only major outlet to have done so.
https://blisterreview.com/gear-reviews/mountain-bike-reviews/bikes-frames/forbidden-supernought
I think they have a bad taste in their mouth from when everybody called the V1 dreadnought an over-forked trail bike.
That's not a review, it's a press release. There's no evidence that any actual riding took place, or that Blister even had a physical complete bike.
Suppose you're right lol, didn't bother reading very far, because I don't care for blister's bike stuff. Looks like no real reviews yet!
I was OK with the Lewis brakes because of them being pretty open about them reverse engineering the trickstuff brakes and them gradually moving away from that design, but those cranks are ridiculous. Of all the cranks to rip off, why some of the ugliest on the market haha? Just don't get their visual appeal.
Yeah that's pretty blatant copying imho. Oh and the brakes are ok at best - I bought a set to test personally and it felt unpolished. Had one handlerbar clamp screw not able to tighten the clamp properly right out of the box. The power was OK, but for the price (I think it was $500 and change when I bought it) you can get yourself just about anything...Dominion A4s, Trp DHR Evos, Mavens, Maguras... Compared them side by side with the real deal Trickstuffs, and the difference was apparent. Even just the lever pull the TS had a bit more "refinement" and there was less play in the lever. In short - the brakes aren't the worst, but for the price there are MUCH better options. The cranks - there has to be a million ways to mill whatever pattern into the crank yet they had to be "inspired" by 5dev. It's BS, and my business will go to brands that actually innovate and do R&D.
Yep. Pretty ugly but form follows function.
They will likely respond by saying "no no no, you are all wrong. This is true innovation. We are definitely not copying. Here are the 3 ways we are clearly different."
For the most part us actual lewis owners are pretty stoked with what we've got. I can't recommend them enough, and I know plenty of others who feel the same.
That being said I can't decide how to feel about the crank rip off, because people with the real 5devs aren't happy with them anyways (snapping)
Oh, they have R&D - Rip-off and Duplicate 😉
Don’t take this as defence of Lewis.
But since when were 5dev the pioneers of cnc’d cranks and lattice structures.
Pretty sure guys like Goldtec played with stuff like that in the late 90’s that was just as snappy.
Of all the companies to copy Lewis have really chosen badly this time. At least Trickstuff are expensive and work bloody well. Apart from being on Neko’s bikes 5dev’s reputation is not glowing.
I think it's more the fact that if just cemented Lewis as a copy cat brand.
Their only 2 products are ripoffs of extremely expensive high end western designs made by small companies which just doesn't feel good.
Like what's next, they release a bike that looks exactly like a V10?
I suppose one potential upside of them copying that design is people will probably get to test how good their customer services are. It'll be interesting to see how they deal with things in comparison. 😅
FWIW I think there are already a couple of 5DEV copies available on Alibaba.
Yeah. Like I said I wasn’t defending Lewis.
Just attacking the other two.
Trickstuff have a very expensive and good product but haven’t done any improvements for years (and years).
5Dev are also very expensive but their product is not that good (according to the grapevine)
I don’t feel sorry for either of them being copied and along with Lewis, neither are on the list of things I have any desire to buy.
Lewis should have ripped off Hollowgram sisl2 cranks but adapted them to run the SRAM 8 bolt interface and a 24mm axle.
I bought my wife some 155mm 5dev cranks and they were great. It was a couple years back and hard to get hold of shorter cranks that are more popular today. What's next on the list for Lewis to copy? I'm gonna bet it's either pedals or hubs.
Besides, you can already purchase sketchy fly by night versions of 5dev's cranks. What's one more to add to the pile? I'd say that ordering and running $70 Aliexpress 5Dev cranks on your mountain bike would be a cool way to die, but I'd be wrong. The cranks are not cool.
They should have copied EEwings!
I love the idea, but because I'm an incurable pessimist, my first thought is that the chain continually passing through the magnetic field is going to magnetise it. If you live in an area with a significant amount of iron in the soil/dirt, this could become a problem?
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