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Primoz
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11/22/2024 5:14am Edited Date/Time 11/22/2024 5:14am

Yup. And they were told to not be a copy cat again before release but apparently ignored it. 

Copying arguably the best brake on the market and even doing improvements AND then iterating on them with more improvements is one thing. Blindly copying the most well known CNC crank on the market that is not even the best design for. A crank is just pure laziness... 

I was in the give the benefit of doubt camp before this release, now there is no helping them. 

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11/22/2024 5:15am
Karabuka wrote:
Magnet works by magnetic moment (which origins from elemental quantity called spin) of unpaired electrons in material being aligned which produces a magnetic field. Roughly speaking...

Magnet works by magnetic moment (which origins from elemental quantity called spin) of unpaired electrons in material being aligned which produces a magnetic field. Roughly speaking ofc. 

Whoosh.

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11/22/2024 5:57am
Side point here, we know its a bit of a pain to bust out the tape measure to figure out what size Chain Mag you need...

Side point here, we know its a bit of a pain to bust out the tape measure to figure out what size Chain Mag you need. Anyone who takes the time to do this for a bike we haven't catalogued yet and emails it to me, I'll fire you a 30% off code. Jeff AT ralibike.com 

@jeff.brines  just a heads up, it appears I can edit your fitment spreadsheet. May want to restrict edit permissions!

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11/22/2024 6:24am
Packe777 wrote:

Lol, Lewis at it again. It seems they are inspired by 5DEV now. Looks like a 5DEV lookalike crank:

https://www.instagram.com/lewisbike_official/reel/DCq43PoTeLv/?hl=en

"there are only so many ways you design a crank" says the average vital user. People will buy the bullshit that they are just "inspired by the best" and vote with their money. I hope 5dev trolls them in typical 5dev fashion. The Germans are too nice.

What is next? CNC copy of Intend stems? Copy of Yoshimura pedals?🍿

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11/22/2024 6:38am Edited Date/Time 11/22/2024 6:42am
sprungmass wrote:
"there are only so many ways you design a crank" says the average vital user. People will buy the bullshit that they are just "inspired by...

"there are only so many ways you design a crank" says the average vital user. People will buy the bullshit that they are just "inspired by the best" and vote with their money. I hope 5dev trolls them in typical 5dev fashion. The Germans are too nice.

What is next? CNC copy of Intend stems? Copy of Yoshimura pedals?🍿

Dude, don't give them any new ideas.😁

P.S.

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11/22/2024 6:48am
Packe777 wrote:

Lol, Lewis at it again. It seems they are inspired by 5DEV now. Looks like a 5DEV lookalike crank:

https://www.instagram.com/lewisbike_official/reel/DCq43PoTeLv/?hl=en

sprungmass wrote:
"there are only so many ways you design a crank" says the average vital user. People will buy the bullshit that they are just "inspired by...

"there are only so many ways you design a crank" says the average vital user. People will buy the bullshit that they are just "inspired by the best" and vote with their money. I hope 5dev trolls them in typical 5dev fashion. The Germans are too nice.

What is next? CNC copy of Intend stems? Copy of Yoshimura pedals?🍿

I think 5Dev noticed.

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11/22/2024 6:50am Edited Date/Time 11/22/2024 6:50am
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HA! FWIW, when I was writing copy I did look up what word I should use and even asked GPT 4o, which is frankly better than me at writing. Here were the results. Obviously, I'm using definition "2". 

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11/22/2024 6:53am Edited Date/Time 11/22/2024 6:54am
HA! FWIW, when I was writing copy I did look up what word I should use and even asked GPT 4o, which is frankly better than...

HA! FWIW, when I was writing copy I did look up what word I should use and even asked GPT 4o, which is frankly better than me at writing. Here were the results. Obviously, I'm using definition "2". 

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😂

You’ll never dampen Vital’s enthusiasm for banter 

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Primoz
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11/22/2024 7:12am

Every vibration damping patent I've seen says dampening. 

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11/22/2024 7:28am
Primoz wrote:

Every vibration damping patent I've seen says dampening. 

I guess the ink is still wet on those.

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11/22/2024 8:56am

Would something intended to mitigate vibration in soiled Huggies be a damp diaper dampener or a dampened diaper damper?

Jokes aside, great idea @jeff.brines

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11/22/2024 9:00am

Would something intended to mitigate vibration in soiled Huggies be a damp diaper dampener or a dampened diaper damper?

Jokes aside, great idea @jeff.brines

HA! Thx dude. All credit goes to @Dave_Camp - he's the brains. I just... "work here". Wink  

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11/22/2024 10:25am
amaranth wrote:
Are there any reviews out for the Forbidden Supernought yet? It was released end of last year, yet I haven't seen any of the major outlets...

Are there any reviews out for the Forbidden Supernought yet? It was released end of last year, yet I haven't seen any of the major outlets do a review yet. 

Blister has a review, but they're the only major outlet to have done so. 

https://blisterreview.com/gear-reviews/mountain-bike-reviews/bikes-frames/forbidden-supernought

I think they have a bad taste in their mouth from when everybody called the V1 dreadnought an over-forked trail bike.

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11/22/2024 10:53am
amaranth wrote:
Are there any reviews out for the Forbidden Supernought yet? It was released end of last year, yet I haven't seen any of the major outlets...

Are there any reviews out for the Forbidden Supernought yet? It was released end of last year, yet I haven't seen any of the major outlets do a review yet. 

overbiked wrote:
Blister has a review, but they're the only major outlet to have done so. https://blisterreview.com/gear-reviews/mountain-bike-reviews/bikes-frames/forbidden-supernoughtI think they have a bad taste in their mouth from...

Blister has a review, but they're the only major outlet to have done so. 

https://blisterreview.com/gear-reviews/mountain-bike-reviews/bikes-frames/forbidden-supernought

I think they have a bad taste in their mouth from when everybody called the V1 dreadnought an over-forked trail bike.

That's not a review, it's a press release. There's no evidence that any actual riding took place, or that Blister even had a physical complete bike.

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11/22/2024 10:56am
Jotegr wrote:

That's not a review, it's a press release. There's no evidence that any actual riding took place, or that Blister even had a physical complete bike.

Suppose you're right lol, didn't bother reading very far, because I don't care for blister's bike stuff. Looks like no real reviews yet!

 

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11/22/2024 11:08am
I think 5Dev noticed.

I think 5Dev noticed.

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I was OK with the Lewis brakes because of them being pretty open about them reverse engineering the trickstuff brakes and them gradually moving away from that design, but those cranks are ridiculous. Of all the cranks to rip off, why some of the ugliest on the market haha? Just don't get their visual appeal. 

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11/22/2024 11:52am
Packe777 wrote:

Lol, Lewis at it again. It seems they are inspired by 5DEV now. Looks like a 5DEV lookalike crank:

https://www.instagram.com/lewisbike_official/reel/DCq43PoTeLv/?hl=en

Yeah that's pretty blatant copying imho. Oh and the brakes are ok at best - I bought a set to test personally and it felt unpolished. Had one handlerbar clamp screw not able to tighten the clamp properly right out of the box. The power was OK, but for the price (I think it was $500 and change when I bought it) you can get yourself just about anything...Dominion A4s, Trp DHR Evos, Mavens, Maguras... Compared them side by side with the real deal Trickstuffs, and the difference was apparent. Even just the lever pull the TS had a bit more "refinement" and there was less play in the lever. In short - the brakes aren't the worst, but for the price there are MUCH better options. The cranks - there has to be a million ways to mill whatever pattern into the crank yet they had to be "inspired" by 5dev. It's BS, and my business will go to brands that actually innovate and do R&D. 

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11/22/2024 11:53am

Yep. Pretty ugly but form follows function. 

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11/22/2024 12:09pm

They will likely respond by saying "no no no, you are all wrong. This is true innovation. We are definitely not copying. Here are the 3 ways we are clearly different."

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11/22/2024 12:09pm
amaranth wrote:
Yeah that's pretty blatant copying imho. Oh and the brakes are ok at best - I bought a set to test personally and it felt unpolished...

Yeah that's pretty blatant copying imho. Oh and the brakes are ok at best - I bought a set to test personally and it felt unpolished. Had one handlerbar clamp screw not able to tighten the clamp properly right out of the box. The power was OK, but for the price (I think it was $500 and change when I bought it) you can get yourself just about anything...Dominion A4s, Trp DHR Evos, Mavens, Maguras... Compared them side by side with the real deal Trickstuffs, and the difference was apparent. Even just the lever pull the TS had a bit more "refinement" and there was less play in the lever. In short - the brakes aren't the worst, but for the price there are MUCH better options. The cranks - there has to be a million ways to mill whatever pattern into the crank yet they had to be "inspired" by 5dev. It's BS, and my business will go to brands that actually innovate and do R&D. 

For the most part us actual lewis owners are pretty stoked with what we've got. I can't recommend them enough, and I know plenty of others who feel the same. 

That being said I can't decide how to feel about the crank rip off, because people with the real 5devs aren't happy with them anyways (snapping)

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11/22/2024 12:12pm
amaranth wrote:
Yeah that's pretty blatant copying imho. Oh and the brakes are ok at best - I bought a set to test personally and it felt unpolished...

Yeah that's pretty blatant copying imho. Oh and the brakes are ok at best - I bought a set to test personally and it felt unpolished. Had one handlerbar clamp screw not able to tighten the clamp properly right out of the box. The power was OK, but for the price (I think it was $500 and change when I bought it) you can get yourself just about anything...Dominion A4s, Trp DHR Evos, Mavens, Maguras... Compared them side by side with the real deal Trickstuffs, and the difference was apparent. Even just the lever pull the TS had a bit more "refinement" and there was less play in the lever. In short - the brakes aren't the worst, but for the price there are MUCH better options. The cranks - there has to be a million ways to mill whatever pattern into the crank yet they had to be "inspired" by 5dev. It's BS, and my business will go to brands that actually innovate and do R&D. 

Oh, they have R&D - Rip-off and Duplicate 😉

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11/22/2024 12:32pm

Don’t take this as defence of Lewis.

But since when were 5dev the pioneers of cnc’d cranks and lattice structures.

Pretty sure guys like Goldtec played with stuff like that in the late 90’s that was just as snappy. 
 

Of all the companies to copy Lewis have really chosen badly this time. At least Trickstuff are expensive and work bloody well. Apart from being on Neko’s bikes 5dev’s reputation is not glowing.

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11/22/2024 12:43pm
TimBud wrote:
Don’t take this as defence of Lewis.But since when were 5dev the pioneers of cnc’d cranks and lattice structures.Pretty sure guys like Goldtec played with stuff...

Don’t take this as defence of Lewis.

But since when were 5dev the pioneers of cnc’d cranks and lattice structures.

Pretty sure guys like Goldtec played with stuff like that in the late 90’s that was just as snappy. 
 

Of all the companies to copy Lewis have really chosen badly this time. At least Trickstuff are expensive and work bloody well. Apart from being on Neko’s bikes 5dev’s reputation is not glowing.

I think it's more the fact that if just cemented Lewis as a copy cat brand.

Their only 2 products are ripoffs of extremely expensive high end western designs made by small companies which just doesn't feel good. 

Like what's next, they release a bike that looks exactly like a V10?

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11/22/2024 12:50pm Edited Date/Time 11/22/2024 1:20pm

I suppose one potential upside of them copying that design is people will probably get to test how good their customer services are. It'll be interesting to see how they deal with things in comparison. 😅 

FWIW I think there are already a couple of 5DEV copies available on Alibaba.

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11/22/2024 12:52pm Edited Date/Time 11/22/2024 12:53pm

Yeah. Like I said I wasn’t defending Lewis.

Just attacking the other two.

Trickstuff have a very expensive and good product but haven’t done any improvements for years (and years). 
5Dev are also very expensive but their product is not that good (according to the grapevine)


I don’t feel sorry for either of them being copied and along with Lewis, neither are on the list of things I have any desire to buy.

 

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11/22/2024 12:58pm

Lewis should have ripped off Hollowgram sisl2 cranks but adapted them to run the SRAM 8 bolt interface and a 24mm axle. 

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11/22/2024 1:23pm

I bought my wife some 155mm 5dev cranks and they were great. It was a couple years back and hard to get hold of shorter cranks that are more popular today. What's next on the list for Lewis to copy? I'm gonna bet it's either pedals or hubs. 

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11/22/2024 1:25pm Edited Date/Time 11/22/2024 2:12pm
TimBud wrote:
Don’t take this as defence of Lewis.But since when were 5dev the pioneers of cnc’d cranks and lattice structures.Pretty sure guys like Goldtec played with stuff...

Don’t take this as defence of Lewis.

But since when were 5dev the pioneers of cnc’d cranks and lattice structures.

Pretty sure guys like Goldtec played with stuff like that in the late 90’s that was just as snappy. 
 

Of all the companies to copy Lewis have really chosen badly this time. At least Trickstuff are expensive and work bloody well. Apart from being on Neko’s bikes 5dev’s reputation is not glowing.

Besides, you can already purchase sketchy fly by night versions of 5dev's cranks. What's one more to add to the pile? I'd say that ordering and running $70 Aliexpress 5Dev cranks on your mountain bike would be a cool way to die, but I'd be wrong. The cranks are not cool. 

 

They should have copied EEwings!

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Mwood wrote:
Our own @jeff.brines released his new product today: https://www.ralibike.com/ Blow it up for him!  I'm interested in getting one for sure! FYI Jeff- link to known Chain...

Our own @jeff.brines released his new product today: https://www.ralibike.com/
 

Blow it up for him! 

 

I'm interested in getting one for sure! FYI Jeff- link to known Chain Mag Sizing is 404. 

Thanks for the post (and noting the broken link). I just took care of it. As to the questions...1) Its pretty light. The low variant has a...

Thanks for the post (and noting the broken link). I just took care of it. 

As to the questions...

1) Its pretty light. The low variant has a smaller magnet and weighs ~66 grams (total) whereas the medium and tall variant have larger magnets and weigh ~88 grams (total). These are untrimmed numbers. 

2) While pedaling, there is zero additional friction. Pedaling forces always pull the chain off the magnet (immediately, you will not notice it).  Also, while in the higher part of your cassette (say, climbing) the magnet is further from the chain and the force significantly weaker, which is by design.

Cheers and thx for the support!

 

I love the idea, but because I'm an incurable pessimist, my first thought is that the chain continually passing through the magnetic field is going to magnetise it.  If you live in an area with a significant amount of iron in the soil/dirt, this could become a problem?

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