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12/5/2024 2:01pm

Doubt it would be 2 versions. It would probably be a new lower tube assembly that supports all the electronics. They already sell the lower tube as a spare part for 45€

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12/5/2024 11:54pm
surely i cant be the only one who hates the fox neo dropper design, ie the system being at the mid cap assembly, it looks so...

surely i cant be the only one who hates the fox neo dropper design, ie the system being at the mid cap assembly, it looks so out of place and odd.
We buy all these nice clean looking bikes then a huge bulge 3/4 up a seat tube lol.
I've been wanting a wireless dropper but not when they look like that lmao

 

sprungmass wrote:

Agreed. It looks terrible in photos and in person. Really hoping BikeYoke releases their wireless version and/or an aftermarket kit to retrofit your existing dropper. 

I just hope they gave up with putting the battery on the bottom of the post. Removing the post to charge/ change the battery is dumb. 

For me I think this is a great idea. It is just a 4mm to get the seatpost out, connect to a usbc or something you have anyway... And it would make sure the post never sticks or get gunky. 

I am waiting for the bikeyoke one because I have 3 bikes that I use that uses a dropper, and I share them with my wife who is shorter than me. Getting one post with a favorite seat each. Even if it was just me I would rather have one and move it around than 3.

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12/6/2024 12:06am Edited Date/Time 12/6/2024 12:16am
dolface wrote:
Guesses as to what the little gizmo on the collar is?

Guesses as to what the little gizmo on the collar is?

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My first guess would be a button for the valve "reset", replacing the hex key.

If not... would those two little holes be a charging port ? (but it's a "meh" guess as it's a bit weird not to use usb-c for that)

 

Edit: I read the previous answers after writing this -dumb me did not think of a simple rubber cap  (*slaps face)

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12/6/2024 12:27am

I just hope they gave up with putting the battery on the bottom of the post. Removing the post to charge/ change the battery is dumb. 

chriskief wrote:
So the battery at the seat rail clamp is too bulky, around the middle of the post is ugly, and hidden at the bottom is inconvenient.I'm...

So the battery at the seat rail clamp is too bulky, around the middle of the post is ugly, and hidden at the bottom is inconvenient.

I'm sure someone would pay good money for another idea of where else to put it.

sprungmass wrote:
A wirelessly actuated linear servo placed near the BB shell. Think Di2 battery form factor. A beefy 21700 cell that lasts half a riding season and...

A wirelessly actuated linear servo placed near the BB shell. Think Di2 battery form factor. A beefy 21700 cell that lasts half a riding season and a charge port accessible through the in-frame storage box. Backup option is a charge plug coming out of the frame port. Compatible with all wired dropper posts. I might be working on something similar 😉

I'm wondering why we still need to externally charge batteries for something that need this little energy to work. 

We are sitting on systems that are constantly creating energy -vibrating, braking, pedaling, pumping. Why can't we gather a fraction of this energy to rationnaly charge the electronic components? 

I can remember kinetics systems to recharge watches, and that was at least 20 years ago...

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chriskief wrote:
So the battery at the seat rail clamp is too bulky, around the middle of the post is ugly, and hidden at the bottom is inconvenient.I'm...

So the battery at the seat rail clamp is too bulky, around the middle of the post is ugly, and hidden at the bottom is inconvenient.

I'm sure someone would pay good money for another idea of where else to put it.

sprungmass wrote:
A wirelessly actuated linear servo placed near the BB shell. Think Di2 battery form factor. A beefy 21700 cell that lasts half a riding season and...

A wirelessly actuated linear servo placed near the BB shell. Think Di2 battery form factor. A beefy 21700 cell that lasts half a riding season and a charge port accessible through the in-frame storage box. Backup option is a charge plug coming out of the frame port. Compatible with all wired dropper posts. I might be working on something similar 😉

dolface wrote:
Guesses as to what the little gizmo on the collar is?

Guesses as to what the little gizmo on the collar is?

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If it is chargeable without having to remove the seatpost, I don't care where the battery goes. 

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dolface wrote:
Guesses as to what the little gizmo on the collar is?

Guesses as to what the little gizmo on the collar is?

Image

Nico_Hrndz wrote:
My first guess would be a button for the valve "reset", replacing the hex key.If not... would those two little holes be a charging port...

My first guess would be a button for the valve "reset", replacing the hex key.

If not... would those two little holes be a charging port ? (but it's a "meh" guess as it's a bit weird not to use usb-c for that)

 

Edit: I read the previous answers after writing this -dumb me did not think of a simple rubber cap  (*slaps face)

I'm not sure there's enough room for a USB-C port... 

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dolface wrote:
Guesses as to what the little gizmo on the collar is?

Guesses as to what the little gizmo on the collar is?

Image

Nico_Hrndz wrote:
My first guess would be a button for the valve "reset", replacing the hex key.If not... would those two little holes be a charging port...

My first guess would be a button for the valve "reset", replacing the hex key.

If not... would those two little holes be a charging port ? (but it's a "meh" guess as it's a bit weird not to use usb-c for that)

 

Edit: I read the previous answers after writing this -dumb me did not think of a simple rubber cap  (*slaps face)

dolface wrote:
I'm not sure there's enough room for a USB-C port... 

I'm not sure there's enough room for a USB-C port... 

IMG 2843.jpeg?VersionId=hRgfJuG5 OwbF1UOKEOpPoWZ.

To me that looks like a magnetic charge point where the 2 larger circles are magnets and the charge pins go into the two small holes.  There’s a similar port on one of my power meters.

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12/6/2024 8:40am
Nico_Hrndz wrote:
My first guess would be a button for the valve "reset", replacing the hex key.If not... would those two little holes be a charging port...

My first guess would be a button for the valve "reset", replacing the hex key.

If not... would those two little holes be a charging port ? (but it's a "meh" guess as it's a bit weird not to use usb-c for that)

 

Edit: I read the previous answers after writing this -dumb me did not think of a simple rubber cap  (*slaps face)

dolface wrote:
I'm not sure there's enough room for a USB-C port... 

I'm not sure there's enough room for a USB-C port... 

IMG 2843.jpeg?VersionId=hRgfJuG5 OwbF1UOKEOpPoWZ.
ZAKBROWN! wrote:
To me that looks like a magnetic charge point where the 2 larger circles are magnets and the charge pins go into the two small holes...

To me that looks like a magnetic charge point where the 2 larger circles are magnets and the charge pins go into the two small holes.  There’s a similar port on one of my power meters.

Magnetic charger makes sense to me, found this 2023 article on NSMB where they teased the dropper. It originally had a USB-C port at the bottom which required removing the post to charge it, I'd imagine they were looking to find a better charging solution.

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dolface wrote:
I'm not sure there's enough room for a USB-C port... 

I'm not sure there's enough room for a USB-C port... 

IMG 2843.jpeg?VersionId=hRgfJuG5 OwbF1UOKEOpPoWZ.
ZAKBROWN! wrote:
To me that looks like a magnetic charge point where the 2 larger circles are magnets and the charge pins go into the two small holes...

To me that looks like a magnetic charge point where the 2 larger circles are magnets and the charge pins go into the two small holes.  There’s a similar port on one of my power meters.

Poleczechy wrote:
Magnetic charger makes sense to me, found this 2023 article on NSMB where they teased the dropper. It originally had a USB-C port at the bottom...

Magnetic charger makes sense to me, found this 2023 article on NSMB where they teased the dropper. It originally had a USB-C port at the bottom which required removing the post to charge it, I'd imagine they were looking to find a better charging solution.

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mfw i have to charge my seatpost

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12/6/2024 9:07am
dolface wrote:
I'm not sure there's enough room for a USB-C port... 

I'm not sure there's enough room for a USB-C port... 

IMG 2843.jpeg?VersionId=hRgfJuG5 OwbF1UOKEOpPoWZ.
ZAKBROWN! wrote:
To me that looks like a magnetic charge point where the 2 larger circles are magnets and the charge pins go into the two small holes...

To me that looks like a magnetic charge point where the 2 larger circles are magnets and the charge pins go into the two small holes.  There’s a similar port on one of my power meters.

Poleczechy wrote:
Magnetic charger makes sense to me, found this 2023 article on NSMB where they teased the dropper. It originally had a USB-C port at the bottom...

Magnetic charger makes sense to me, found this 2023 article on NSMB where they teased the dropper. It originally had a USB-C port at the bottom which required removing the post to charge it, I'd imagine they were looking to find a better charging solution.

Screenshot 2024-12-06 at 8.57.21 AM

With Bikeyoke being a european company I don't think they are going to take the risk and work to create their own charging standard.  It is mandatory for most small rechargable electronics, phones , tablets to use the USB-C standard to be allowed to sell in the EU market. It is a bit vague and less outlined when we talk about components, specialty devices etc... but probs not worth the gamble.

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Bikaholic wrote:
With Bikeyoke being a european company I don't think they are going to take the risk and work to create their own charging standard.  It is...

With Bikeyoke being a european company I don't think they are going to take the risk and work to create their own charging standard.  It is mandatory for most small rechargable electronics, phones , tablets to use the USB-C standard to be allowed to sell in the EU market. It is a bit vague and less outlined when we talk about components, specialty devices etc... but probs not worth the gamble.

its possible they have a USB C port on the bottom as depicted in the early prototype, but also a secondary less common type magnetic port on the side of the collar in the other picture. it would certainly add complexity, but also convenience while ensuring they are compliant with regulations. 

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jonkranked wrote:
its possible they have a USB C port on the bottom as depicted in the early prototype, but also a secondary less common type magnetic port...

its possible they have a USB C port on the bottom as depicted in the early prototype, but also a secondary less common type magnetic port on the side of the collar in the other picture. it would certainly add complexity, but also convenience while ensuring they are compliant with regulations. 

It's quite possible that it would use a magnetic connection to charge. The Reform saddles use this style of connection to power the heating element in the saddles during the molding process
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Nicolas M. wrote:
The New Bosch Performance Line CX Gen 5 motors are getting an update in about 2-3 months enabling the motor to deliver up to 105NM of...

The New Bosch Performance Line CX Gen 5 motors are getting an update in about 2-3 months enabling the motor to deliver up to 105NM of torque. 

Wondering if gen 4 would see any updates

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surely i cant be the only one who hates the fox neo dropper design, ie the system being at the mid cap assembly, it looks so...

surely i cant be the only one who hates the fox neo dropper design, ie the system being at the mid cap assembly, it looks so out of place and odd.
We buy all these nice clean looking bikes then a huge bulge 3/4 up a seat tube lol.
I've been wanting a wireless dropper but not when they look like that lmao

 

I’m with you. I want my bikes to look good (to me) and that battery placement makes my eye twitch. 

So real. Looks so bad, and it seems RS hasn't fixed the length problem based on how far his seatpost is sticking out. So far the best solutions are 1. The bike yoke concept, 2. Magura vyron, 3. Cables. I'd be happy to consider any wireless solutions Oneup comes up with.

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surely i cant be the only one who hates the fox neo dropper design, ie the system being at the mid cap assembly, it looks so...

surely i cant be the only one who hates the fox neo dropper design, ie the system being at the mid cap assembly, it looks so out of place and odd.
We buy all these nice clean looking bikes then a huge bulge 3/4 up a seat tube lol.
I've been wanting a wireless dropper but not when they look like that lmao

 

I’m with you. I want my bikes to look good (to me) and that battery placement makes my eye twitch. 

overbiked wrote:
So real. Looks so bad, and it seems RS hasn't fixed the length problem based on how far his seatpost is sticking out. So far the...

So real. Looks so bad, and it seems RS hasn't fixed the length problem based on how far his seatpost is sticking out. So far the best solutions are 1. The bike yoke concept, 2. Magura vyron, 3. Cables. I'd be happy to consider any wireless solutions Oneup comes up with.

The length of exposed post isn't really indicative of anything on pros bikes compared to us mortals, I wouldn't read into it. We seem to enjoy having a slammed post and as much drop as possible but look at dudes like Minnaar who despite being decidedly XL+ seems perfectly happy running dropper posts in the range of 150mm or so. Keene himself seems to have no great desire to get that seat slammed either, looking at various bike checks from the last decade. The Robot can probably weigh in on this one but I'll just say it doesn't tell us anything about the Reverb. 

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I just saw an invitation to SRAM school on the 25th of Feb. My guess is cable transmission.

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12/6/2024 2:53pm
surely i cant be the only one who hates the fox neo dropper design, ie the system being at the mid cap assembly, it looks so...

surely i cant be the only one who hates the fox neo dropper design, ie the system being at the mid cap assembly, it looks so out of place and odd.
We buy all these nice clean looking bikes then a huge bulge 3/4 up a seat tube lol.
I've been wanting a wireless dropper but not when they look like that lmao

 

I’m with you. I want my bikes to look good (to me) and that battery placement makes my eye twitch. 

overbiked wrote:
So real. Looks so bad, and it seems RS hasn't fixed the length problem based on how far his seatpost is sticking out. So far the...

So real. Looks so bad, and it seems RS hasn't fixed the length problem based on how far his seatpost is sticking out. So far the best solutions are 1. The bike yoke concept, 2. Magura vyron, 3. Cables. I'd be happy to consider any wireless solutions Oneup comes up with.

@ Dropper brands, Make a decent Wireless dropper  that doesnt look like ass and has 200+ travel, I'll buy it. 
Like actually make one, sell it to me and make some profit off me. Intergrate the battery, contact charging at the post colllar, a little bit of extra length is fine as most seat tubes are short now, id happily lose 20mm off my oneup dropper down to 220 so i could have it wireless.

Sometimes It makes me wonder if brands actually want to sell products

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@ Dropper brands, Make a decent Wireless dropper  that doesnt look like ass and has 200+ travel, I'll buy it. Like actually make one, sell it to...

@ Dropper brands, Make a decent Wireless dropper  that doesnt look like ass and has 200+ travel, I'll buy it. 
Like actually make one, sell it to me and make some profit off me. Intergrate the battery, contact charging at the post colllar, a little bit of extra length is fine as most seat tubes are short now, id happily lose 20mm off my oneup dropper down to 220 so i could have it wireless.

Sometimes It makes me wonder if brands actually want to sell products

I'm in the same boat. instead of what we want its "here's an ugly ass dropper that still won't drop enough. now give me 1500 bucks and don't forget to charge it every other ride."

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Just found an unlisted Telum video embedded on a customer facing website (sorry Steve). Might be interesting.

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@ Dropper brands, Make a decent Wireless dropper  that doesnt look like ass and has 200+ travel, I'll buy it. Like actually make one, sell it to...

@ Dropper brands, Make a decent Wireless dropper  that doesnt look like ass and has 200+ travel, I'll buy it. 
Like actually make one, sell it to me and make some profit off me. Intergrate the battery, contact charging at the post colllar, a little bit of extra length is fine as most seat tubes are short now, id happily lose 20mm off my oneup dropper down to 220 so i could have it wireless.

Sometimes It makes me wonder if brands actually want to sell products

I've been thinking about the insertion length thing and realized that since you don't need room for the cable to sit below the bottom of the post, the extra length of the servo/etc might not be issue. Am I crazy?

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Just found an unlisted Telum video embedded on a customer facing website (sorry Steve). Might be interesting.

Just found an unlisted Telum video embedded on a customer facing website (sorry Steve). Might be interesting.

Ty for that, very interesting. The re-tune of that shock from one frame to the next is pretty cool as you don't have to open up the shock.

For example, I have a Telum setup for an Airdrop Edit MX and I decided to move over to an Insurgent LS.

With a single tool (to loosen the compression caps) I just have to unwind an adjuster and then wind it in a certain number of turns to adjust for the frame difference.

I'm not smart enough to understand how it works but very cool conceptually as it makes it pretty easy for someone like me who likes to mix and match different frames on a fairly frequent basis.

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12/7/2024 12:37pm

Any Ohlins rumors on a new rfx38?

Thinking about picking up one as they're almost half off...

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12/7/2024 12:39pm
Just found an unlisted Telum video embedded on a customer facing website (sorry Steve). Might be interesting.

Just found an unlisted Telum video embedded on a customer facing website (sorry Steve). Might be interesting.

Got a link to other 3 parts?

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Just found an unlisted Telum video embedded on a customer facing website (sorry Steve). Might be interesting.

Just found an unlisted Telum video embedded on a customer facing website (sorry Steve). Might be interesting.

longfellow wrote:

Got a link to other 3 parts?

Let Steve release these videos on his own timing. It's good that his products are getting some attention, and I love his non-marketing approach

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a bike brand that is also a band name is also developing an ebike with the dji avinox motor

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12/7/2024 3:22pm Edited Date/Time 12/7/2024 3:23pm

Any Ohlins rumors on a new rfx38?

Thinking about picking up one as they're almost half off...

Can you link to this sale? Don't think there are any m.3 version for any of their products in the works. 

12/7/2024 4:06pm

Any Ohlins rumors on a new rfx38?

Thinking about picking up one as they're almost half off...

sprungmass wrote:

Can you link to this sale? Don't think there are any m.3 version for any of their products in the works. 

Its on sale at jenson but the 180 is the biggest discount.

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a bike brand that is also a band name is also developing an ebike with the dji avinox motor

Ghost, presumably?  Other options might be Sunn or I'm sure there's a djent band named Polygon out there somewhere.

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sprungmass wrote:
A wirelessly actuated linear servo placed near the BB shell. Think Di2 battery form factor. A beefy 21700 cell that lasts half a riding season and...

A wirelessly actuated linear servo placed near the BB shell. Think Di2 battery form factor. A beefy 21700 cell that lasts half a riding season and a charge port accessible through the in-frame storage box. Backup option is a charge plug coming out of the frame port. Compatible with all wired dropper posts. I might be working on something similar 😉

Am I crazy or does this all sound waaay more complex and annoying than running a cable?

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