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7/4/2024 3:57pm Edited Date/Time 7/4/2024 4:00pm

New Mara Pro with "normal" self equalizing negative spring was quietly released today. 

https://hayesbicycle.com/products/mara-pro-piggyback

I guess you wouldn't make too much noise about it, feels a bit like announcing you upgraded your dial up internet to fibre in 2024. Did...

I guess you wouldn't make too much noise about it, feels a bit like announcing you upgraded your dial up internet to fibre in 2024. Did they have a reason for the old air can design persisting so long?

The old Mara Pro had superior damping to most off the shelf shocks and are serviceable at home.

The new air can fixes it's only real drawback of the fixed negative spring. 

 

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7/4/2024 5:17pm

Just grabbed a Mara Pro and a Mezzer in the recent sale... completely woke up and revitalized my Knolly. I was looking for the deal, knowing full well updated models where coming, no regrets. Only hang up with the Mara is I feel like I am dialing the rebound almost all the way up and maybe running out of damping there. Mezzer is as good as everyone says, Dorado air spring is amazing.

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7/4/2024 6:44pm

Looks like DVO has a new Onyx dual crown incoming. I’m assuming 38mm stanchions, but skeptical those crowns will be production? Unless it’s an e-bike/moto specific crown. Certainly looks interesting especially with the conversations about Loic running a split crown.

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7/4/2024 8:25pm
Kapolczer wrote:
Looks like DVO has a new Onyx dual crown incoming. I’m assuming 38mm stanchions, but skeptical those crowns will be production? Unless it’s an e-bike/moto specific...

Looks like DVO has a new Onyx dual crown incoming. I’m assuming 38mm stanchions, but skeptical those crowns will be production? Unless it’s an e-bike/moto specific crown. Certainly looks interesting especially with the conversations about Loic running a split crown.

Hard to tell but it looks like the dropouts are inboard a touch more on the lowers. Maybe it has a wider stance and more clearance for wider emtb  downtubes

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7/5/2024 1:21am
Kapolczer wrote:
Looks like DVO has a new Onyx dual crown incoming. I’m assuming 38mm stanchions, but skeptical those crowns will be production? Unless it’s an e-bike/moto specific...

Looks like DVO has a new Onyx dual crown incoming. I’m assuming 38mm stanchions, but skeptical those crowns will be production? Unless it’s an e-bike/moto specific crown. Certainly looks interesting especially with the conversations about Loic running a split crown.

grinch wrote:
Hard to tell but it looks like the dropouts are inboard a touch more on the lowers. Maybe it has a wider stance and more clearance...

Hard to tell but it looks like the dropouts are inboard a touch more on the lowers. Maybe it has a wider stance and more clearance for wider emtb  downtubes

Just looks like the ONYX 38 lower assembly to me

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7/5/2024 6:41am
Kapolczer wrote:
Looks like DVO has a new Onyx dual crown incoming. I’m assuming 38mm stanchions, but skeptical those crowns will be production? Unless it’s an e-bike/moto specific...

Looks like DVO has a new Onyx dual crown incoming. I’m assuming 38mm stanchions, but skeptical those crowns will be production? Unless it’s an e-bike/moto specific crown. Certainly looks interesting especially with the conversations about Loic running a split crown.

grinch wrote:
Hard to tell but it looks like the dropouts are inboard a touch more on the lowers. Maybe it has a wider stance and more clearance...

Hard to tell but it looks like the dropouts are inboard a touch more on the lowers. Maybe it has a wider stance and more clearance for wider emtb  downtubes

Jrp wrote:

Just looks like the ONYX 38 lower assembly to me

Ya it might be wishful thinking on my part

7/5/2024 10:34am

Anyone have an idea when the Transfer Neo or AXS Reverb v2 droppers are releasing?  Re: the latter, I know we saw the patent... does anyone know what the time between the v1 being patented and released was?

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7/5/2024 10:49am Edited Date/Time 7/5/2024 10:49am
Anyone have an idea when the Transfer Neo or AXS Reverb v2 droppers are releasing?  Re: the latter, I know we saw the patent... does anyone...

Anyone have an idea when the Transfer Neo or AXS Reverb v2 droppers are releasing?  Re: the latter, I know we saw the patent... does anyone know what the time between the v1 being patented and released was?

Apparently the release date for Neo is July 30th, 2024 based on a website that didn't hide their inventory. Not too far now.

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7/5/2024 1:09pm

Some folks on MTBR are talking about the Ibis Ripmo V3 dropping on 7/16. Anyone know if this is true? I hope its able to be setup as a solid enduro basher and not made into something too light. Who knows! 

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Some folks on MTBR are talking about the Ibis Ripmo V3 dropping on 7/16. Anyone know if this is true? I hope its able to be...

Some folks on MTBR are talking about the Ibis Ripmo V3 dropping on 7/16. Anyone know if this is true? I hope its able to be setup as a solid enduro basher and not made into something too light. Who knows! 

Apparently Ripmo and Ripley will be released together.
Ripley is said to have a bump in travel. Not sure which direction Ripmo is going to go. Will be awesome to see how it compares to Stumpjumper 15 and hoping for aesthetics like the HD6

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7/5/2024 10:27pm
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I thought it would feel odd or I would be aware of the ABS doing something or the brakes would not feel powerful, it was totally...

I thought it would feel odd or I would be aware of the ABS doing something or the brakes would not feel powerful, it was totally invisible though and just felt like you had infinite traction. 

Was this on a dirt surface, or pavement? I would imagine it feels a bit funny, maybe a bit 'weaker' on loose surfaces like mud and...

Was this on a dirt surface, or pavement? I would imagine it feels a bit funny, maybe a bit 'weaker' on loose surfaces like mud and gravel. 

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So they had a gravel trap on the test track for this very reason, I was able to test on paved road and gravel, worked equally...

So they had a gravel trap on the test track for this very reason, I was able to test on paved road and gravel, worked equally well in both situations. 

I had to do a few runs on the gravel as I didn't trust the ABS, once I had the confidence to brake really hard it was faultless. 

Obviously flat ground is not representative of real world trail use, so would be keen to use it in anger on some proper trails. 

I take it the disadvantage of abs is you can no longer do nose manuals and thus no longer do nose turns.

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7/5/2024 11:53pm
Some folks on MTBR are talking about the Ibis Ripmo V3 dropping on 7/16. Anyone know if this is true? I hope its able to be...

Some folks on MTBR are talking about the Ibis Ripmo V3 dropping on 7/16. Anyone know if this is true? I hope its able to be setup as a solid enduro basher and not made into something too light. Who knows! 

Sjames88 wrote:
Apparently Ripmo and Ripley will be released together. Ripley is said to have a bump in travel. Not sure which direction Ripmo is going to go...

Apparently Ripmo and Ripley will be released together.
Ripley is said to have a bump in travel. Not sure which direction Ripmo is going to go. Will be awesome to see how it compares to Stumpjumper 15 and hoping for aesthetics like the HD6

Any chance they share a front triangle?

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7/6/2024 12:42am
boozed wrote:

Any chance they share a front triangle?

Not sure, it would make sense to cut down on costs. Everyone has been very tight lipped and no spy shots whatsoever. I guess you just have to hope one of your friends is a dealer if you want any info, or wait till mid July

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7/6/2024 5:05am
Fred_Pop wrote:

I take it the disadvantage of abs is you can no longer do nose manuals and thus no longer do nose turns.

If you are locking up your front wheel when doing those...You are doing it wrong.

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7/6/2024 5:28am

But it’s a fair point, what about skidding the rear wheel around a turn? Is that possible with ABS?

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7/6/2024 6:18am
TSchafer wrote:

But it’s a fair point, what about skidding the rear wheel around a turn? Is that possible with ABS?

Yes it only affects the front wheel, the rear is just for measuring. 
at least with the bosch system

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7/6/2024 6:19am
boozed wrote:

Any chance they share a front triangle?

I doubt it given the difference in geo and I would imagine Ibis purpose built them for their intended use.

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7/6/2024 8:09am
Some folks on MTBR are talking about the Ibis Ripmo V3 dropping on 7/16. Anyone know if this is true? I hope its able to be...

Some folks on MTBR are talking about the Ibis Ripmo V3 dropping on 7/16. Anyone know if this is true? I hope its able to be setup as a solid enduro basher and not made into something too light. Who knows! 

Sjames88 wrote:
Apparently Ripmo and Ripley will be released together. Ripley is said to have a bump in travel. Not sure which direction Ripmo is going to go...

Apparently Ripmo and Ripley will be released together.
Ripley is said to have a bump in travel. Not sure which direction Ripmo is going to go. Will be awesome to see how it compares to Stumpjumper 15 and hoping for aesthetics like the HD6

boozed wrote:

Any chance they share a front triangle?

Any chance the front triangle is actually a proper triangle?

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7/6/2024 10:14am

Another shot of the new Schwalbe Albert Gravity. Pretty similar to a Magic Mary. This one is a 27.5 X 2.6. Les Gets, today.

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7/6/2024 10:42am

Anyone else noticed the WP fork and shock at Eurobike... They're on several bikes now.

Pic from pb

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7/6/2024 10:51am
TimBud wrote:
Anyone else noticed the WP fork and shock at Eurobike... They're on several bikes now. Pic from pb

Anyone else noticed the WP fork and shock at Eurobike... They're on several bikes now.

Pic from pb

I noticed that too. I think it's DVO suspension with WP's settings though, like the GasGas eebs.

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7/6/2024 11:24am

I think Kiska works with KTM & co, so there the link.

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Another shot of the new Schwalbe Albert Gravity. Pretty similar to a Magic Mary. This one is a 27.5 X 2.6. Les Gets, today.

Another shot of the new Schwalbe Albert Gravity. Pretty similar to a Magic Mary. This one is a 27.5 X 2.6. Les Gets, today.

i wouldn't say it looks like a Mary, it's more of an Assegai/Kriptotal

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7/6/2024 1:48pm
Fred_Pop wrote:

I take it the disadvantage of abs is you can no longer do nose manuals and thus no longer do nose turns.

Jakub_G wrote:

If you are locking up your front wheel when doing those...You are doing it wrong.

the bosh abs is also designed to not let you lift the rear wheel too much, therefore Fred_Pop point is correct

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boozed wrote:

Any chance they share a front triangle?

Dogboy wrote:

I doubt it given the difference in geo and I would imagine Ibis purpose built them for their intended use.

Geo could be handled with headset cups etc. but I take your point.  When Vitus did it with the Escarpe (140 mm) and the Sommet (170 mm in MX), it was probably because they were a budget brand (although it turned out pretty well in the end).

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7/7/2024 12:22am Edited Date/Time 7/7/2024 12:22am
boozed wrote:

Any chance they share a front triangle?

Dogboy wrote:

I doubt it given the difference in geo and I would imagine Ibis purpose built them for their intended use.

boozed wrote:
Geo could be handled with headset cups etc. but I take your point.  When Vitus did it with the Escarpe (140 mm) and the Sommet (170...

Geo could be handled with headset cups etc. but I take your point.  When Vitus did it with the Escarpe (140 mm) and the Sommet (170 mm in MX), it was probably because they were a budget brand (although it turned out pretty well in the end).

Didn't RM (not exactly budget) do it with the Instinct and Altitude too?

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7/7/2024 2:11am Edited Date/Time 7/7/2024 2:24am
Primoz wrote:

I think Kiska works with KTM & co, so there the link.

Kiska handles KTM's industrial design, branding, marketing, and communication.  They're quite in bed with them.  Kiska also handle a lot of the same roles for Husqvarna too. They seem to be doing more and more in the bike and e-bike world.

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7/7/2024 7:26am
Dogboy wrote:

I doubt it given the difference in geo and I would imagine Ibis purpose built them for their intended use.

boozed wrote:
Geo could be handled with headset cups etc. but I take your point.  When Vitus did it with the Escarpe (140 mm) and the Sommet (170...

Geo could be handled with headset cups etc. but I take your point.  When Vitus did it with the Escarpe (140 mm) and the Sommet (170 mm in MX), it was probably because they were a budget brand (although it turned out pretty well in the end).

veefour wrote:

Didn't RM (not exactly budget) do it with the Instinct and Altitude too?

Yes last gen Instinct and Altitude shared the same front triangle but with a different forward shock mount.

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7/7/2024 8:56am
Evil96 wrote:
Meh, disappointing Trickstuff  lots of teasing and it’s the same thing but in a different color honestly I was hoping for a V2 of something given...

Meh, disappointing Trickstuff 

lots of teasing and it’s the same thing but in a different color

honestly I was hoping for a V2 of something given that the Chinese copy has more adjustments 

From what I understand of Trickstuff Maxima, there is no reason for bite point adjustment on the Maxima, Trickstuff has a very specific setup that generates equal distribution of fluid to each piston so that the rotor is perfectly centered between the pads. Lewis had to throw in some adjustment as their calipers do not perform the same. I know the Lewis are like 1/4 of the price, but they are without doubt intended copies of Trickstuff with a few aesthetic differences

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Simann wrote:
From what I understand of Trickstuff Maxima, there is no reason for bite point adjustment on the Maxima, Trickstuff has a very specific setup that generates...

From what I understand of Trickstuff Maxima, there is no reason for bite point adjustment on the Maxima, Trickstuff has a very specific setup that generates equal distribution of fluid to each piston so that the rotor is perfectly centered between the pads. Lewis had to throw in some adjustment as their calipers do not perform the same. I know the Lewis are like 1/4 of the price, but they are without doubt intended copies of Trickstuff with a few aesthetic differences

Ahhhhhh sheeeet. Here we go again. Thanks Sim.

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