It's definitely funky. Adjustable for wheel size, lower pivot is concentric with the bottom bracket and drives the shock. Also includes in-frame storage and has some...
It's definitely funky. Adjustable for wheel size, lower pivot is concentric with the bottom bracket and drives the shock. Also includes in-frame storage and has some nice details like good access to the high speed rebound on Fox shocks from the non-drive side.
Doesn't the Intense Tracer also use a BB-concentric lower pivot? It'll be interesting to hear (eventually) if this new Rocky rides like existing VPP bikes, or if they've managed to do something unique... for better or for worse.
It's definitely funky. Adjustable for wheel size, lower pivot is concentric with the bottom bracket and drives the shock. Also includes in-frame storage and has some...
It's definitely funky. Adjustable for wheel size, lower pivot is concentric with the bottom bracket and drives the shock. Also includes in-frame storage and has some nice details like good access to the high speed rebound on Fox shocks from the non-drive side.
Doesn't the Intense Tracer also use a BB-concentric lower pivot? It'll be interesting to hear (eventually) if this new Rocky rides like existing VPP bikes, or...
Doesn't the Intense Tracer also use a BB-concentric lower pivot? It'll be interesting to hear (eventually) if this new Rocky rides like existing VPP bikes, or if they've managed to do something unique... for better or for worse.
I can assure you that the new Altitude rides like like a Rocky Mountain, but better! We wanted that firm feeling again; had to go back to our roots.
VPP patent is now expired so no more licensing fees open up option for brands. Might see the same when the DW4 patent expire.
Same thing...
VPP patent is now expired so no more licensing fees open up option for brands. Might see the same when the DW4 patent expire.
Same thing that happened when Horst link patent expired around 2016? and DT/Hugi star ratchet for freehubs 2 years ago ?
I get that its been expired for a bit, but still, why? Horst link usually rides better, and as others have said this looks like an Intense clone with the bottom access frame storage, concentric BB lower pivot, and short VPP links.
I get that its been expired for a bit, but still, why? Horst link usually rides better, and as others have said this looks like an...
I get that its been expired for a bit, but still, why? Horst link usually rides better, and as others have said this looks like an Intense clone with the bottom access frame storage, concentric BB lower pivot, and short VPP links.
They were trying to lower the center of gravity as much as possible with that one, which they succeeded, that shock is low. My understanding is they worked very hard to keep the poppy feel of the old bike mixed with the VPP style lay out, which usually doesn't work well together. I'll follow up when mine gets here.
I get that its been expired for a bit, but still, why? Horst link usually rides better, and as others have said this looks like an...
I get that its been expired for a bit, but still, why? Horst link usually rides better, and as others have said this looks like an Intense clone with the bottom access frame storage, concentric BB lower pivot, and short VPP links.
Frame storage is not bottom access. That alone would be enough to pick it over the Tracer for me.
here's a real pic of luca's canyon in a tuxedo
a full-body bike tuxedo could be rad for mechanics. wouldn't have to clean anything. #bringBackForkBoots
here's a real pic of luca's canyon in a tuxedo
a full-body bike tuxedo could be rad for mechanics. wouldn't have to clean anything. #bringBackForkBoots
Perhaps not ideal for windy days (or maybe I've just been riding deep section road rims too much lately).
here's a real pic of luca's canyon in a tuxedo
a full-body bike tuxedo could be rad for mechanics. wouldn't have to clean anything. #bringBackForkBoots
here's a real pic of luca's canyon in a tuxedo
a full-body bike tuxedo could be rad for mechanics. wouldn't have to clean anything. #bringBackForkBoots
That canyon having a concentric axle pivot is really interesting, do we think it's a high single pivot with the axle pivot or something different with all the frame covered up?
I don't get all the fuss about the diapers. Prototypes being tested/validated in public, while heavily camouflaged, is common in all industries. It protects under-development IP and also allows less-than-production-level parts to be used without the scrutiny of the public eye. We built an entire bunker to hide our test vehicles when they weren't on the road, and when they were on the road they had zebra camo and fake grilles, etc. It's great for concealing parts that are being rapidly developed, especially when some iterations might only be used for a single test cycle.
I don't get all the fuss about the diapers. Prototypes being tested/validated in public, while heavily camouflaged, is common in all industries. It protects under-development IP...
I don't get all the fuss about the diapers. Prototypes being tested/validated in public, while heavily camouflaged, is common in all industries. It protects under-development IP and also allows less-than-production-level parts to be used without the scrutiny of the public eye. We built an entire bunker to hide our test vehicles when they weren't on the road, and when they were on the road they had zebra camo and fake grilles, etc. It's great for concealing parts that are being rapidly developed, especially when some iterations might only be used for a single test cycle.
It's Streisand effect.
99% of people wouldn't notice the difference in the bike passing by on the trail. Wrap the same bike in a cover to keep it "secret" and now everyone notices.
I don't get all the fuss about the diapers. Prototypes being tested/validated in public, while heavily camouflaged, is common in all industries. It protects under-development IP...
I don't get all the fuss about the diapers. Prototypes being tested/validated in public, while heavily camouflaged, is common in all industries. It protects under-development IP and also allows less-than-production-level parts to be used without the scrutiny of the public eye. We built an entire bunker to hide our test vehicles when they weren't on the road, and when they were on the road they had zebra camo and fake grilles, etc. It's great for concealing parts that are being rapidly developed, especially when some iterations might only be used for a single test cycle.
It's Streisand effect.
99% of people wouldn't notice the difference in the bike passing by on the trail. Wrap the same bike in a cover to...
It's Streisand effect.
99% of people wouldn't notice the difference in the bike passing by on the trail. Wrap the same bike in a cover to keep it "secret" and now everyone notices.
People will absolutely notice, are you for real? We have an entire thread dedicated to leaking new stuff. People leak embargoed images and information just for some E-Clout, damn rights they'll take a photo and put it online. At least the diaper builds hype without showing what the product is.
Doesn't the Intense Tracer also use a BB-concentric lower pivot? It'll be interesting to hear (eventually) if this new Rocky rides like existing VPP bikes, or if they've managed to do something unique... for better or for worse.
New Norco XC bike incoming?
Probably the new VLT Range that he was riding a few pages back. There is a Sight coming as well.
but where will the dyname engine fit on the powerplay model
I can assure you that the new Altitude rides like like a Rocky Mountain, but better! We wanted that firm feeling again; had to go back to our roots.
I get that its been expired for a bit, but still, why? Horst link usually rides better, and as others have said this looks like an Intense clone with the bottom access frame storage, concentric BB lower pivot, and short VPP links.
They were trying to lower the center of gravity as much as possible with that one, which they succeeded, that shock is low. My understanding is they worked very hard to keep the poppy feel of the old bike mixed with the VPP style lay out, which usually doesn't work well together. I'll follow up when mine gets here.
Blackbox Boxxer too. Naturally it'll be getting 3.1, but what else being so new?
Flight Attendant, you can see it on the top of the right fork leg.
True. Forgive me rumour gods, for I didn't look at every pixel before commenting.
Frame storage is not bottom access. That alone would be enough to pick it over the Tracer for me.
here's a real pic of luca's canyon in a tuxedo
a full-body bike tuxedo could be rad for mechanics. wouldn't have to clean anything. #bringBackForkBoots
Funny, I was thinking the same thing- bike washing is gonna be way easier. It’s like a nitrile glove for your DH bike!
Yes there is.
Perhaps not ideal for windy days (or maybe I've just been riding deep section road rims too much lately).
It can’t be positive for the suspension movement either.
No Mavens for Luca by the looks of it
probably more aero too, anyone remember the aero trek session?
sorry, i was being sarcastic about having a bike tuxedo on full-time
The popularity of bike diapers the past few seasons just cracks me up. How soon before the UCI bans them?
The force required to compress the suspension is magnitudes higher than the diesel required to bunch the fabric up. It wouldn't make any difference.
They're definitely more aero though, wonder if they get banned on those grounds.
Kudos to Pivot then for being the only brand to not put a diaper on their protos.
They glued theirs on.
That canyon having a concentric axle pivot is really interesting, do we think it's a high single pivot with the axle pivot or something different with all the frame covered up?
I'm gonna cover all of our Sea Otter booth display bikes in black canvas with "DO NOT POST TO VITAL" graphics.
I don't get all the fuss about the diapers. Prototypes being tested/validated in public, while heavily camouflaged, is common in all industries. It protects under-development IP and also allows less-than-production-level parts to be used without the scrutiny of the public eye. We built an entire bunker to hide our test vehicles when they weren't on the road, and when they were on the road they had zebra camo and fake grilles, etc. It's great for concealing parts that are being rapidly developed, especially when some iterations might only be used for a single test cycle.
It's Streisand effect.
99% of people wouldn't notice the difference in the bike passing by on the trail. Wrap the same bike in a cover to keep it "secret" and now everyone notices.
People will absolutely notice, are you for real? We have an entire thread dedicated to leaking new stuff. People leak embargoed images and information just for some E-Clout, damn rights they'll take a photo and put it online. At least the diaper builds hype without showing what the product is.