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3/19/2024 12:10am
dknapton wrote:

The other site has an article with a bit of an update on why they think Bernards Pivot broke. A comment from the main Pivot guy. 

„… the main Pivot guy“

I see what you did thereGrinning

 

It’s basically like we speculated. Chris states galvanic corrosion as the suspected reason for the failure. He thinks that the surface treatment of the alloy lugs, prior to bonding, failed and as a result the adhesive didn’t create as firm of a bond. Bonding aluminum to plastic successfully and permanently is always quite difficult. I wonder why they didn’t stick to alloy tubes and went with carbon in the first place. The minor weight savings are totally negligible for a DH bike IMO.

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I think they make carbon tubes in house and can make them bent if need be. It's not as easy to bend aluminium tubes. 

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Atherton

Atherton Aluminium launch today?

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Marcus J wrote:
Also, the wireless Blips now work standalone without having a controller or blipbox hidden somewhere: https://bikerumor.com/sram-wireless-blips-can-now-be-paired-w-o-shifters/  Could be nice to have one on each side for up...

Also, the wireless Blips now work standalone without having a controller or blipbox hidden somewhere: https://bikerumor.com/sram-wireless-blips-can-now-be-paired-w-o-shifter…;

Could be nice to have one on each side for up and down

Dangerholm approves

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Marcus J wrote:
Also, the wireless Blips now work standalone without having a controller or blipbox hidden somewhere: https://bikerumor.com/sram-wireless-blips-can-now-be-paired-w-o-shifters/  Could be nice to have one on each side for up...

Also, the wireless Blips now work standalone without having a controller or blipbox hidden somewhere: https://bikerumor.com/sram-wireless-blips-can-now-be-paired-w-o-shifter…;

Could be nice to have one on each side for up and down

sethimus wrote:

Dangerholm approves

Only if they can be colour matched to prosthetic limbs.

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Marcus J wrote:
Also, the wireless Blips now work standalone without having a controller or blipbox hidden somewhere: https://bikerumor.com/sram-wireless-blips-can-now-be-paired-w-o-shifters/  Could be nice to have one on each side for up...

Also, the wireless Blips now work standalone without having a controller or blipbox hidden somewhere: https://bikerumor.com/sram-wireless-blips-can-now-be-paired-w-o-shifter…;

Could be nice to have one on each side for up and down

"The Wireless Blips are not rechargeable and need to be recycled with other electronics when they stop working. SRAM estimates their battery life at up to two years, with more frequent riders likely getting a little over a year out of them." 

a.) planned obsolescence much? And b.) the EU will have something to say about this if I understand correctly (removable batteries requirement and all) 

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Marcus J wrote:
Also, the wireless Blips now work standalone without having a controller or blipbox hidden somewhere: https://bikerumor.com/sram-wireless-blips-can-now-be-paired-w-o-shifters/  Could be nice to have one on each side for up...

Also, the wireless Blips now work standalone without having a controller or blipbox hidden somewhere: https://bikerumor.com/sram-wireless-blips-can-now-be-paired-w-o-shifter…;

Could be nice to have one on each side for up and down

Primoz wrote:
"The Wireless Blips are not rechargeable and need to be recycled with other electronics when they stop working. SRAM estimates their battery life at up to...

"The Wireless Blips are not rechargeable and need to be recycled with other electronics when they stop working. SRAM estimates their battery life at up to two years, with more frequent riders likely getting a little over a year out of them." 

a.) planned obsolescence much? And b.) the EU will have something to say about this if I understand correctly (removable batteries requirement and all) 

its like the red powermeter reloaded, obsolete when the chainring is worn

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sethimus wrote:

its like the red powermeter reloaded, obsolete when the chainring is worn

I've had that conversation with someone (triathlete) about a year after they launched the new RED.

"My gears are slipping"
'Your inner chainring is really badly worn and chain wear is waaay past 1%'
"oh ....I've only done 8k on it" (seemingly without ever cleaning it)
'and it's one piece with the outer ring and power meter.....but SRAM do a trade in service at 50% discount'
"oh that is a relief I thought it was going to be expensive!!"
'Well the original price is £800, so it's still £400 plus a chain and a cassette at £350 and labour'
It took about 35 minutes for them to calm down including threatening to call trading standards and the police.
About 6 months later they came back complaining about their brakes making a funny noise.......worn through the pads,the backing plate and into the pistons.
 

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Stewyeww wrote:
That was a few years ago now, I don't study mountain bikers physique year to year but a few off seasons in the gym will would...

That was a few years ago now, I don't study mountain bikers physique year to year but a few off seasons in the gym will would get him up there pretty easily

It *could* but he's on-record saying he was planning to drop 12kg for this season (no idea if he's done it tho...)

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Marcus J wrote:
There is supposed to be a "v2" left paddle. That would be my pick if i went down the transmission etc ecosystem. (I like my v2...

There is supposed to be a "v2" left paddle. That would be my pick if i went down the transmission etc ecosystem. (I like my v2 shifter)

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Not a personal attack but the fact that sram has us using the term “ecosystem” makes me wanna barf all over. 

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nskerb wrote:

Not a personal attack but the fact that sram has us using the term “ecosystem” makes me wanna barf all over. 

Ant BS newspeak makes my skin crawl. When people use it at me I have to squash the urge to stop them and ask what it means everytime.

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FB IMG 1710851867375

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gibbon wrote:
I've had that conversation with someone (triathlete) about a year after they launched the new RED. "My gears are slipping" 'Your inner chainring is really badly...

I've had that conversation with someone (triathlete) about a year after they launched the new RED.

"My gears are slipping"
'Your inner chainring is really badly worn and chain wear is waaay past 1%'
"oh ....I've only done 8k on it" (seemingly without ever cleaning it)
'and it's one piece with the outer ring and power meter.....but SRAM do a trade in service at 50% discount'
"oh that is a relief I thought it was going to be expensive!!"
'Well the original price is £800, so it's still £400 plus a chain and a cassette at £350 and labour'
It took about 35 minutes for them to calm down including threatening to call trading standards and the police.
About 6 months later they came back complaining about their brakes making a funny noise.......worn through the pads,the backing plate and into the pistons.
 

even back when i was a shop mechanic in the mid 00s, dealing with triathletes was the absolute worst. i can't imagine how insufferable they are today. 

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3/19/2024 7:13am

New Lapierre definitely looking Spicy IMG 20240319 150646 1

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3/19/2024 7:17am
New Lapierre definitely looking Spicy 

New Lapierre definitely looking Spicy IMG 20240319 150646 1

Cannondale called, they want their Jekyll back....

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3/19/2024 7:28am
sspomer wrote:
rocky undercover at the windrock enduro

rocky undercover at the windrock enduro

sockymtn

RockyCover1.jpg?VersionId=wzf6cakE09

RockyCover2

Wait, Rocky Mountain going VPP?

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3/19/2024 7:36am
gibbon wrote:
I've had that conversation with someone (triathlete) about a year after they launched the new RED. "My gears are slipping" 'Your inner chainring is really badly...

I've had that conversation with someone (triathlete) about a year after they launched the new RED.

"My gears are slipping"
'Your inner chainring is really badly worn and chain wear is waaay past 1%'
"oh ....I've only done 8k on it" (seemingly without ever cleaning it)
'and it's one piece with the outer ring and power meter.....but SRAM do a trade in service at 50% discount'
"oh that is a relief I thought it was going to be expensive!!"
'Well the original price is £800, so it's still £400 plus a chain and a cassette at £350 and labour'
It took about 35 minutes for them to calm down including threatening to call trading standards and the police.
About 6 months later they came back complaining about their brakes making a funny noise.......worn through the pads,the backing plate and into the pistons.
 

jonkranked wrote:
even back when i was a shop mechanic in the mid 00s, dealing with triathletes was the absolute worst. i can't imagine how insufferable they are...

even back when i was a shop mechanic in the mid 00s, dealing with triathletes was the absolute worst. i can't imagine how insufferable they are today. 

We had to introduce a "piss charge" of $100 for hosing the tri bikes down before the techs worked on them. IYKYK. Sick

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3/19/2024 7:48am
gibbon wrote:
I've had that conversation with someone (triathlete) about a year after they launched the new RED. "My gears are slipping" 'Your inner chainring is really badly...

I've had that conversation with someone (triathlete) about a year after they launched the new RED.

"My gears are slipping"
'Your inner chainring is really badly worn and chain wear is waaay past 1%'
"oh ....I've only done 8k on it" (seemingly without ever cleaning it)
'and it's one piece with the outer ring and power meter.....but SRAM do a trade in service at 50% discount'
"oh that is a relief I thought it was going to be expensive!!"
'Well the original price is £800, so it's still £400 plus a chain and a cassette at £350 and labour'
It took about 35 minutes for them to calm down including threatening to call trading standards and the police.
About 6 months later they came back complaining about their brakes making a funny noise.......worn through the pads,the backing plate and into the pistons.
 

jonkranked wrote:
even back when i was a shop mechanic in the mid 00s, dealing with triathletes was the absolute worst. i can't imagine how insufferable they are...

even back when i was a shop mechanic in the mid 00s, dealing with triathletes was the absolute worst. i can't imagine how insufferable they are today. 

pinkrobe wrote:
We had to introduce a "piss charge" of $100 for hosing the tri bikes down before the techs worked on them. IYKYK. 

We had to introduce a "piss charge" of $100 for hosing the tri bikes down before the techs worked on them. IYKYK. Sick

Washing tri bikes before I would touch them was the role of the youngest kid in the shop.

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jonkranked wrote:
even back when i was a shop mechanic in the mid 00s, dealing with triathletes was the absolute worst. i can't imagine how insufferable they are...

even back when i was a shop mechanic in the mid 00s, dealing with triathletes was the absolute worst. i can't imagine how insufferable they are today. 

pinkrobe wrote:
We had to introduce a "piss charge" of $100 for hosing the tri bikes down before the techs worked on them. IYKYK. 

We had to introduce a "piss charge" of $100 for hosing the tri bikes down before the techs worked on them. IYKYK. Sick

Losifer wrote:

Washing tri bikes before I would touch them was the role of the youngest kid in the shop.

pretty sure that constitutes child abuse Laughing

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gibbon wrote:
I've had that conversation with someone (triathlete) about a year after they launched the new RED. "My gears are slipping" 'Your inner chainring is really badly...

I've had that conversation with someone (triathlete) about a year after they launched the new RED.

"My gears are slipping"
'Your inner chainring is really badly worn and chain wear is waaay past 1%'
"oh ....I've only done 8k on it" (seemingly without ever cleaning it)
'and it's one piece with the outer ring and power meter.....but SRAM do a trade in service at 50% discount'
"oh that is a relief I thought it was going to be expensive!!"
'Well the original price is £800, so it's still £400 plus a chain and a cassette at £350 and labour'
It took about 35 minutes for them to calm down including threatening to call trading standards and the police.
About 6 months later they came back complaining about their brakes making a funny noise.......worn through the pads,the backing plate and into the pistons.
 

jonkranked wrote:
even back when i was a shop mechanic in the mid 00s, dealing with triathletes was the absolute worst. i can't imagine how insufferable they are...

even back when i was a shop mechanic in the mid 00s, dealing with triathletes was the absolute worst. i can't imagine how insufferable they are today. 

pinkrobe wrote:
We had to introduce a "piss charge" of $100 for hosing the tri bikes down before the techs worked on them. IYKYK. 

We had to introduce a "piss charge" of $100 for hosing the tri bikes down before the techs worked on them. IYKYK. Sick

In one of the shops I worked at, in the customer notes on Ascend if it said “every second counts” that meant they pissed on their bike and any service performed had an additional $50 cleaning charge.

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bizutch wrote:

There was a little piece of tech hiding at Aussie Nats that hasn't been mentioned here. 

peecee wrote:

Someone wants attention 

lloyd506 wrote:

Did you look under a bike diaper? 

Nah...it was out there for everyone to see.

Haven't seen a media pic of it though.  Maybe it wasn't that special after all.

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New Lapierre definitely looking Spicy 

New Lapierre definitely looking Spicy IMG 20240319 150646 1

that looks like some terrible dropper insertion length. Santas and Spesh Enduro have both lower mounted shocks by the looks of it

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peecee wrote:

Someone wants attention 

lloyd506 wrote:

Did you look under a bike diaper? 

bizutch wrote:

Nah...it was out there for everyone to see.

Haven't seen a media pic of it though.  Maybe it wasn't that special after all.

name checks out

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New Lapierre definitely looking Spicy 

New Lapierre definitely looking Spicy IMG 20240319 150646 1

29 wrote:

that looks like some terrible dropper insertion length. Santas and Spesh Enduro have both lower mounted shocks by the looks of it

Agreed. Plus it looks so derivative they might as well rename it the Hyde.

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lloyd506 wrote:

Did you look under a bike diaper? 

bizutch wrote:

Nah...it was out there for everyone to see.

Haven't seen a media pic of it though.  Maybe it wasn't that special after all.

junkbox wrote:

name checks out

if you're reaching for insults & butthurt, you're gonna need to dig deeper.

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3/19/2024 11:57am Edited Date/Time 3/19/2024 11:58am
dolface wrote:

LOL at 160lbs being "super light"... 'murica!

Shinook wrote:
Muscle mass and height can attribute to weight too. I know a lot of riders over 200lbs that are super strong and I’d be surprised if...

Muscle mass and height can attribute to weight too. I know a lot of riders over 200lbs that are super strong and I’d be surprised if most elite DH or enduro riders over 6ft aren’t close to or over that.

I am 210 due to pizza, beer and cake less than gym time, but that’s not everyone.

owl-x wrote:

How many World Cup riders are 200+, in your estimation? I’d say zero.
 

 

Similar to the moto world, the pros ride bigger, even if their weight doesn't match what they're riding. It's been pointed out before that guys like Goldstone, Rude, etc are running spring rates above their recommended weight. Same can be said for brakes. It's likely not a good example to use. 

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Both of you…

 

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3/20/2024 3:49am Edited Date/Time 3/20/2024 5:58am

Interesting comments from Ed Haythornthwaite (Robot Bike Co founder and ex Atherton) over on PB about the S170.

The guy has some very good credentials, but its hard to decide whether to take the comments seriously or with a pinch of salt as they're from an obviously disgruntled ex member of the team.

Edit:

Ty sethimus

 

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