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owl-x wrote:

Bruni was riding Kryptotals in Snowshoe. 

hardbash wrote:

Argotals actually

owl-x wrote:

Roger that

Speaking of Conti, anyone heard *anything* about when the trail casing Soft (and maybe Super Soft) are supposed to show up? It's been more than a year since they first showed them...

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dolface wrote:
Speaking of Conti, anyone heard *anything* about when the trail casing Soft (and maybe Super Soft) are supposed to show up? It's been more than a...

Speaking of Conti, anyone heard *anything* about when the trail casing Soft (and maybe Super Soft) are supposed to show up? It's been more than a year since they first showed them...

I haven't heard anything but is there any soft compound tire with light casings besides the Minions?

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airwreck wrote:

I haven't heard anything but is there any soft compound tire with light casings besides the Minions?

Ethirteen's A/T Trail casing MoPo compound? I have cut sidewalls on those, same as I've done with DHRII Exo+.

I may have misunderstood the question though. 

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dolface wrote:
Speaking of Conti, anyone heard *anything* about when the trail casing Soft (and maybe Super Soft) are supposed to show up? It's been more than a...

Speaking of Conti, anyone heard *anything* about when the trail casing Soft (and maybe Super Soft) are supposed to show up? It's been more than a year since they first showed them...

airwreck wrote:

I haven't heard anything but is there any soft compound tire with light casings besides the Minions?

Schwalbe Magic Mary is available in Super Trail, Super Ground with Soft compound, and Super Trail with Ultra Soft compound.

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jofish wrote:
Nigel Page posting what would have been a new reactor frame. I wonder what will happen to all their tooling as it sounds like Mike Ashley...

Nigel Page posting what would have been a new reactor frame. I wonder what will happen to all their tooling as it sounds like Mike Ashley only bought the name and I.P. Could a smaller brand swoop in and buy up the tooling from the liquidator?

IMG 4701.jpeg?VersionId=NjM1ecuBeupCP Ru.fV3uF

Wouldnt be that tooling in some Chinese factory, already paid off? I mean unless I missed something, they had their frames made in Asia like 99% of the market...

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3/13/2024 8:22pm
dolface wrote:
Speaking of Conti, anyone heard *anything* about when the trail casing Soft (and maybe Super Soft) are supposed to show up? It's been more than a...

Speaking of Conti, anyone heard *anything* about when the trail casing Soft (and maybe Super Soft) are supposed to show up? It's been more than a year since they first showed them...

airwreck wrote:

I haven't heard anything but is there any soft compound tire with light casings besides the Minions?

WTB makes some. 

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thresh wrote:

Schwalbe Magic Mary is available in Super Trail, Super Ground with Soft compound, and Super Trail with Ultra Soft compound.

Tacky Chan looks good too.

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Dave_Camp wrote:

CAN WE MOVE ON FROM BRAKE LEVER FEEL PLEASE?

dwhere wrote:

should i post the new fox dampers again? since no one seems to have seen it before fox pulled some strings to get it removed.

dwhere wrote:
so we don't get sspomers hand slapped. all i know is what i saw. 4 dampers.  G - OG - 2 way adj GSL - XC...

so we don't get sspomers hand slapped. all i know is what i saw. 4 dampers. 

G - OG - 2 way adj

GSL - XC - 2 way adj - Fit4 replacement

GX - Trail/AM - 3 way adj w firm switch

GX2 - Gravity - 4 way adj - Looks like Grip2

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Itsme wrote:
Wouldnt be that tooling in some Chinese factory, already paid off? I mean unless I missed something, they had their frames made in Asia like 99%...

Wouldnt be that tooling in some Chinese factory, already paid off? I mean unless I missed something, they had their frames made in Asia like 99% of the market...

With all the folks they owed money to, odds are the frame mfg was on that list as well.

 

Go swoop up some carbon frame molds.Wink

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3/14/2024 5:06am Edited Date/Time 3/14/2024 5:07am
 

Looks like Formula have some new dual crown forks coming

 

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samdaman1 wrote:
  Looks like Formula have some new dual crown forks coming  
 

Looks like Formula have some new dual crown forks coming

 

I heard it's going to be a park/Enduro dual crown fork. I have my doubts but we'll see.

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jofish wrote:
Nigel Page posting what would have been a new reactor frame. I wonder what will happen to all their tooling as it sounds like Mike Ashley...

Nigel Page posting what would have been a new reactor frame. I wonder what will happen to all their tooling as it sounds like Mike Ashley only bought the name and I.P. Could a smaller brand swoop in and buy up the tooling from the liquidator?

IMG 4701.jpeg?VersionId=NjM1ecuBeupCP Ru.fV3uF

Bit of a speculation on the most possibly never going to happen nukeproof reactor V3. All the comparisons are made with the current V2 generation in mind. (I consider the old hardtail as the V1 generation)

Would be nice to get a full rundown from Mr. Page himself. Or would be possible to buy the prototype from him?

- Geometry
Geometrywise it might have got a standard longer slacker lower treatment.

- No Cable Tourism
All the cables are routed internally, yet not through the headset. Hooray! 

- Horst Link stays
I was expecting a flex pivot. If the rear travel stayed 130 mm they could have implemented flex pivot. Specialized and Merida can solve this on their frames that has more rear travel.

- Brake line disappearing into the chainstay
Instead of routing the brake line outboard, they are now going on the inside of the chainstay. It would have been nice to have a fully external brake line solution.

- Brake + rear derailleur line over the bottom bracket.
At least the brake line is over the bottom bracket, but the rear derailleur line is not visible. Possibly because of AXS? Definitely an improvement over the current model where the cables / lines are routed under.

- Bottom bracket housing looks to be quite big in dimateter compared to the bottom bracket. Could it be a T47?
With all the 30 mm spindles, and outboard bearings the wall thickness of the standard BSA bottom bracket is quite thin. T47 could help on this as it allows for thicker walls. Can not be a coincidence that Hambini makes BSA/30 mm bottom brakcets in titanium.

- 2 Cable ports on the downtube for brake line? 
As the frame is made of carbon on the picture, and it must have inside channels for the brake lines, I suppose that one channel is coming out next to the headtube on the left (for EU) the other is coming out on the right side for UK / moto people.

Brakelineimage-20240314130631-1

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3/14/2024 5:24am
samdaman1 wrote:
  Looks like Formula have some new dual crown forks coming  
 

Looks like Formula have some new dual crown forks coming

 

Verbl Kint wrote:

I heard it's going to be a park/Enduro dual crown fork. I have my doubts but we'll see.

I think the tapered steerer pretty much confirms that it will be.

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Untitled-1 0

Looks an awful lot like a 15mm axle too.

I'd say the barrier for entry for DC-ing your enduro is the sheer amount of fucking around for what for most people would be an experiment.

A DC enduro that doesn't require any new parts will probably print money. Might even slap one on my torque for laughs.

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samdaman1 wrote:
  Looks like Formula have some new dual crown forks coming  
 

Looks like Formula have some new dual crown forks coming

 

It's Selva xl DC fork that was supposed to be released before covid. Nothing that new really,just looong overdue.

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I think the tapered steerer pretty much confirms that it will be.

Nero was always offered with tapered, so is Suntour rux, or was dvo emerald.

3/14/2024 6:00am
GyB wrote:
Bit of a speculation on the most possibly never going to happen nukeproof reactor V3. All the comparisons are made with the current V2 generation in...

Bit of a speculation on the most possibly never going to happen nukeproof reactor V3. All the comparisons are made with the current V2 generation in mind. (I consider the old hardtail as the V1 generation)

Would be nice to get a full rundown from Mr. Page himself. Or would be possible to buy the prototype from him?

- Geometry
Geometrywise it might have got a standard longer slacker lower treatment.

- No Cable Tourism
All the cables are routed internally, yet not through the headset. Hooray! 

- Horst Link stays
I was expecting a flex pivot. If the rear travel stayed 130 mm they could have implemented flex pivot. Specialized and Merida can solve this on their frames that has more rear travel.

- Brake line disappearing into the chainstay
Instead of routing the brake line outboard, they are now going on the inside of the chainstay. It would have been nice to have a fully external brake line solution.

- Brake + rear derailleur line over the bottom bracket.
At least the brake line is over the bottom bracket, but the rear derailleur line is not visible. Possibly because of AXS? Definitely an improvement over the current model where the cables / lines are routed under.

- Bottom bracket housing looks to be quite big in dimateter compared to the bottom bracket. Could it be a T47?
With all the 30 mm spindles, and outboard bearings the wall thickness of the standard BSA bottom bracket is quite thin. T47 could help on this as it allows for thicker walls. Can not be a coincidence that Hambini makes BSA/30 mm bottom brakcets in titanium.

- 2 Cable ports on the downtube for brake line? 
As the frame is made of carbon on the picture, and it must have inside channels for the brake lines, I suppose that one channel is coming out next to the headtube on the left (for EU) the other is coming out on the right side for UK / moto people.

Brakelineimage-20240314130631-1

Having a solution to route brake lines left or right would be SICK. As a moto style rider I’m forever having to put up with the rear brake cable coming out the wrong side and it just looks untidy. 

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I just did my first ride on my wild geo Status 160 last night. After I rode it I thought “Damn. A Selva would be fucking sick on that thing.” Good timing. Now I just need probably $2,000

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I just did my first ride on my wild geo Status 160 last night. After I rode it I thought “Damn. A Selva would be fucking...

I just did my first ride on my wild geo Status 160 last night. After I rode it I thought “Damn. A Selva would be fucking sick on that thing.” Good timing. Now I just need probably $2,000

First of all, ‘bout damn time. Hearing Chris Porter talking about this fork three years ago and now finally seeing a release date… 

When the prototypes were out there, Formula was saying that it would be closer to the Zeb and 38 in both price and weight. Hopefully they’ll be able to stick to those claims.

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3/14/2024 8:05am Edited Date/Time 3/14/2024 8:07am
GyB wrote:
Bit of a speculation on the most possibly never going to happen nukeproof reactor V3. All the comparisons are made with the current V2 generation in...

Bit of a speculation on the most possibly never going to happen nukeproof reactor V3. All the comparisons are made with the current V2 generation in mind. (I consider the old hardtail as the V1 generation)

Would be nice to get a full rundown from Mr. Page himself. Or would be possible to buy the prototype from him?

- Geometry
Geometrywise it might have got a standard longer slacker lower treatment.

- No Cable Tourism
All the cables are routed internally, yet not through the headset. Hooray! 

- Horst Link stays
I was expecting a flex pivot. If the rear travel stayed 130 mm they could have implemented flex pivot. Specialized and Merida can solve this on their frames that has more rear travel.

- Brake line disappearing into the chainstay
Instead of routing the brake line outboard, they are now going on the inside of the chainstay. It would have been nice to have a fully external brake line solution.

- Brake + rear derailleur line over the bottom bracket.
At least the brake line is over the bottom bracket, but the rear derailleur line is not visible. Possibly because of AXS? Definitely an improvement over the current model where the cables / lines are routed under.

- Bottom bracket housing looks to be quite big in dimateter compared to the bottom bracket. Could it be a T47?
With all the 30 mm spindles, and outboard bearings the wall thickness of the standard BSA bottom bracket is quite thin. T47 could help on this as it allows for thicker walls. Can not be a coincidence that Hambini makes BSA/30 mm bottom brakcets in titanium.

- 2 Cable ports on the downtube for brake line? 
As the frame is made of carbon on the picture, and it must have inside channels for the brake lines, I suppose that one channel is coming out next to the headtube on the left (for EU) the other is coming out on the right side for UK / moto people.

Brakelineimage-20240314130631-1

iceman2058 wrote:
Having a solution to route brake lines left or right would be SICK. As a moto style rider I’m forever having to put up with the...

Having a solution to route brake lines left or right would be SICK. As a moto style rider I’m forever having to put up with the rear brake cable coming out the wrong side and it just looks untidy. 

Considering how much of the world runs brakes moto style it blows my mind how many manufacturers don't make allowances for it.

I wouldn't consider doing it with a carbon frame, but I did drill a Commencal alloy frame for moto routing a few years ago, as they are one of many brands that just thinks everyone runs their brakes the way they do.

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Another thing about dual crowns on enduro bikes is that modern 29” DH forks typically have pretty whack fork offset numbers, often 50mm+. For instance, the old 40's from 2019 were 58mm!! Would be cool if Formula offers this fork with a 44mm industry standard enduro offset. They could even offer it in 44 and 51mm offsets to match what's available for single crown forks. 

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TEAMROBOT wrote:
Another thing about dual crowns on enduro bikes is that modern 29” DH forks typically have pretty whack fork offset numbers, often 50mm+. For instance, the...

Another thing about dual crowns on enduro bikes is that modern 29” DH forks typically have pretty whack fork offset numbers, often 50mm+. For instance, the old 40's from 2019 were 58mm!! Would be cool if Formula offers this fork with a 44mm industry standard enduro offset. They could even offer it in 44 and 51mm offsets to match what's available for single crown forks. 

Fox, Ohlins, and I think RockShox offer crowns separately so you can swap to a shorter offset.

Agreed would be nice to have the option to buy the fork with them.

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chriskief wrote:
Fox, Ohlins, and I think RockShox offer crowns separately so you can swap to a shorter offset. Agreed would be nice to have the option to...

Fox, Ohlins, and I think RockShox offer crowns separately so you can swap to a shorter offset.

Agreed would be nice to have the option to buy the fork with them.

Fox and Rockshox only go as low as 48mm for 29" forks, Ohlins goes down to 46. That's not so much longer than 44, but it's still longer and as you said riders still have to buy the shorter offset crowns aftermarket. In the case of the Formula dual crown, it's designed to be run at lower travel amounts to match enduro bikes, so a "normal" enduro offset seems like a no brainer for Formula, especially considering it's probably not designed to be run at 200mm travel anyway. 

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3/14/2024 8:55am
TEAMROBOT wrote:
Another thing about dual crowns on enduro bikes is that modern 29” DH forks typically have pretty whack fork offset numbers, often 50mm+. For instance, the...

Another thing about dual crowns on enduro bikes is that modern 29” DH forks typically have pretty whack fork offset numbers, often 50mm+. For instance, the old 40's from 2019 were 58mm!! Would be cool if Formula offers this fork with a 44mm industry standard enduro offset. They could even offer it in 44 and 51mm offsets to match what's available for single crown forks. 

  Aren't the larger offsets necessary to accomodate a useful turning radius and the large diameter stanchions?  

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chriskief wrote:
Fox, Ohlins, and I think RockShox offer crowns separately so you can swap to a shorter offset. Agreed would be nice to have the option to...

Fox, Ohlins, and I think RockShox offer crowns separately so you can swap to a shorter offset.

Agreed would be nice to have the option to buy the fork with them.

TEAMROBOT wrote:
Fox and Rockshox only go as low as 48mm for 29" forks, Ohlins goes down to 46. That's not so much longer than 44, but it's...

Fox and Rockshox only go as low as 48mm for 29" forks, Ohlins goes down to 46. That's not so much longer than 44, but it's still longer and as you said riders still have to buy the shorter offset crowns aftermarket. In the case of the Formula dual crown, it's designed to be run at lower travel amounts to match enduro bikes, so a "normal" enduro offset seems like a no brainer for Formula, especially considering it's probably not designed to be run at 200mm travel anyway. 

At least for Fox, you can go to 44mm. There's no distinction between 29 & 27.5 crowns.

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3/14/2024 9:21am
Evil96 wrote:

There was a rumor a while ago about new enve wheels 

anyone know anything?

New mountain wheel lineup is coming this spring.

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3/14/2024 9:24am
dolface wrote:
Speaking of Conti, anyone heard *anything* about when the trail casing Soft (and maybe Super Soft) are supposed to show up? It's been more than a...

Speaking of Conti, anyone heard *anything* about when the trail casing Soft (and maybe Super Soft) are supposed to show up? It's been more than a year since they first showed them...

airwreck wrote:

I haven't heard anything but is there any soft compound tire with light casings besides the Minions?

Assegai, DHF, DHR all come in soft light casting options IIRC.

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3/14/2024 9:59am Edited Date/Time 3/14/2024 10:00am
GyB wrote:
Bit of a speculation on the most possibly never going to happen nukeproof reactor V3. All the comparisons are made with the current V2 generation in...

Bit of a speculation on the most possibly never going to happen nukeproof reactor V3. All the comparisons are made with the current V2 generation in mind. (I consider the old hardtail as the V1 generation)

Would be nice to get a full rundown from Mr. Page himself. Or would be possible to buy the prototype from him?

- Geometry
Geometrywise it might have got a standard longer slacker lower treatment.

- No Cable Tourism
All the cables are routed internally, yet not through the headset. Hooray! 

- Horst Link stays
I was expecting a flex pivot. If the rear travel stayed 130 mm they could have implemented flex pivot. Specialized and Merida can solve this on their frames that has more rear travel.

- Brake line disappearing into the chainstay
Instead of routing the brake line outboard, they are now going on the inside of the chainstay. It would have been nice to have a fully external brake line solution.

- Brake + rear derailleur line over the bottom bracket.
At least the brake line is over the bottom bracket, but the rear derailleur line is not visible. Possibly because of AXS? Definitely an improvement over the current model where the cables / lines are routed under.

- Bottom bracket housing looks to be quite big in dimateter compared to the bottom bracket. Could it be a T47?
With all the 30 mm spindles, and outboard bearings the wall thickness of the standard BSA bottom bracket is quite thin. T47 could help on this as it allows for thicker walls. Can not be a coincidence that Hambini makes BSA/30 mm bottom brakcets in titanium.

- 2 Cable ports on the downtube for brake line? 
As the frame is made of carbon on the picture, and it must have inside channels for the brake lines, I suppose that one channel is coming out next to the headtube on the left (for EU) the other is coming out on the right side for UK / moto people.

Brakelineimage-20240314130631-1

iceman2058 wrote:
Having a solution to route brake lines left or right would be SICK. As a moto style rider I’m forever having to put up with the...

Having a solution to route brake lines left or right would be SICK. As a moto style rider I’m forever having to put up with the rear brake cable coming out the wrong side and it just looks untidy. 

Have you tried a Rocky (ignore the typo in the instructions....) Whistling Rocky Moto

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3/14/2024 10:39am
chriskief wrote:
Fox, Ohlins, and I think RockShox offer crowns separately so you can swap to a shorter offset. Agreed would be nice to have the option to...

Fox, Ohlins, and I think RockShox offer crowns separately so you can swap to a shorter offset.

Agreed would be nice to have the option to buy the fork with them.

TEAMROBOT wrote:
Fox and Rockshox only go as low as 48mm for 29" forks, Ohlins goes down to 46. That's not so much longer than 44, but it's...

Fox and Rockshox only go as low as 48mm for 29" forks, Ohlins goes down to 46. That's not so much longer than 44, but it's still longer and as you said riders still have to buy the shorter offset crowns aftermarket. In the case of the Formula dual crown, it's designed to be run at lower travel amounts to match enduro bikes, so a "normal" enduro offset seems like a no brainer for Formula, especially considering it's probably not designed to be run at 200mm travel anyway. 

The 29 and 27.5 crowns on the newest 38mm Boxxer are interchangeable.

I've got a 29er 38mm Boxxer setup with 44mm offset crowns and reduced down to 190mm travel on my enduro bike. Pretty sweet setup, but a bit heavier than a single crown fork (can't say I noticed that).

Also, only 8mm longer axle to crown than the 170mm 38 it replaced!

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