It was something that was told to me by a well-known suspension tuner.
Truthfully looking at this new shock a bit more, I just don't get...
It was something that was told to me by a well-known suspension tuner.
Truthfully looking at this new shock a bit more, I just don't get where it fits in with its price point (in spite of my earlier enthusiasm).
Besides the HBO what are you getting that a $280 Bomber doesn't get you? If it came with true custom tuning at that price, I think that would be a fair deal, but as is, nah.
A $280 Bomber doesn't get you much; a harsh and digressive base valve setup prone to breaking wave springs, a super high IFP pressure, and (from the stock ones I have had) an over damped rebound stack.
An Avalanche tuned Bomber CR is light years better, but is also usually $600-$700 when you are done.
The PUSH SV8 looks to be a solid $500-$600 shock with a nice "made in Colorado" markup, and an HBO heavily influenced by the stroke you are running.
The sv8 is a cool product, it'll sell loads to dudes with levo's I'm sure. I don't quite get the limited off the shelf tunes with how resistant they are to sell/configure an 11.6 for bikes that are not in their catalog or they don't have data on. The pricing isn't a great value, but it's not terrible for a small volume product made and assembled in the US. I agree the HBO situation is a head scratcher.
Fwiw, regarding the other options people are quoting... I tend to agree with @brash and @dirty booger I have in my fleet the following: 21 dhx2, 11.6 (s-series), RS SDU Coil with VS tractiv tune, cc db inline coil.
I've used craig @ avalanche twice in the past and while the products I got from him were decent, I don't care much to do business with him again. I briefly used a marz bomber cr and as stated above, that shock is a great platform for aftermarket work but performs like trash stock unless you are 250+ lbs or sending huge stuff and need ALL of the damping and don't care much about traction or performance.
The current answer is clear if you want value and 90% of the performance of custom tuned stuff without the expense. 23+ rs super deluxe ultimate. I would buy one of those over the 11.6 I have, over the dhx2 and over the tractiv tuned shock I have. The tractiv tuned super deluxe ultimate is seriously 95% as good as the 11.6 and if you have a previous gen super deluxe it's the clear choice on value/performance. However, there isn't much reason to go down that road as the new super deluxe is absolute butter, stupid easy to setup and find the right end user settings and the performance is imo as good as an 11.6 and anything else I've tried.
The only negative to going that route, is that rockshox is a real pita do deal with on certain parts being available aftermarket. For example, if you scratch a damper shaft... you likely won't be able to get one through your LBS/RS dealer as there seems to be a reluctance for RS to sell those parts without a warranty or in house service request attached. If RS had parts availability and documentation like fox does, I'd never buy another fox product. The saving grace is that RS is truly amazing to deal with on warranty stuff through their LBS's... they just seem to not offer parts support.
Are you serious regarding RS vs. Fox parts situation? While I haven't looked into how many replacement parts are available for Fox products, just the fact that each product requires multiple hundreds of euros in custom tools to be able to service it is an utter no go compared to how easy it is to service RS stuff. The guides are also much more clear than they are for Fox products. One saving grace is the fact that with Fox you buy separate service kits for the lowers, damper and the spring while a 200h kit for RS forks is a one stop shop. There is a ~*2 price difference between the two though (in favour of RS). And the shaft you mention for a C1+ air shock is available at European e-tailers. Not in in stock in all lengths, but it is offered in all variants.
Regarding warranty... there is no doubt it comes down to the local reps, but the warranty handling for RS (all Sram in fact) products in Slovenia is utter garbage. And not much better in the UK based on my (single case) experience. But we are again outside the scope of tech rumors
Are you serious regarding RS vs. Fox parts situation? While I haven't looked into how many replacement parts are available for Fox products, just the fact...
Are you serious regarding RS vs. Fox parts situation? While I haven't looked into how many replacement parts are available for Fox products, just the fact that each product requires multiple hundreds of euros in custom tools to be able to service it is an utter no go compared to how easy it is to service RS stuff. The guides are also much more clear than they are for Fox products. One saving grace is the fact that with Fox you buy separate service kits for the lowers, damper and the spring while a 200h kit for RS forks is a one stop shop. There is a ~*2 price difference between the two though (in favour of RS). And the shaft you mention for a C1+ air shock is available at European e-tailers. Not in in stock in all lengths, but it is offered in all variants.
Regarding warranty... there is no doubt it comes down to the local reps, but the warranty handling for RS (all Sram in fact) products in Slovenia is utter garbage. And not much better in the UK based on my (single case) experience. But we are again outside the scope of tech rumors
Yeah, UK warranty/backup for Sram is pretty poor. However, rumour has it that they’ll be doing their own thing here soon anyway.
Orange make a functional mountain bike. That thing never will be. Considering the seatpost insertion it's not even drawn by someone who mountain bikes, and given the design choices elsewhere i would've thought it was probably put together by an industrial design student for a project.
Hi. A mate said it would be worth posting this on here. I was out riding in the forest of dean at the weekend with my mates, and spotted a guy riding with some strange ass brakes. I couldn't see cables running up to the bar. I tried to get a quick photo, but this was all I could manage. Maybe ABS or wireless brakes?!
Hi. A mate said it would be worth posting this on here. I was out riding in the forest of dean at the weekend with my...
Hi. A mate said it would be worth posting this on here. I was out riding in the forest of dean at the weekend with my mates, and spotted a guy riding with some strange ass brakes. I couldn't see cables running up to the bar. I tried to get a quick photo, but this was all I could manage. Maybe ABS or wireless brakes?!
Not the same shape as the picture above, but the tech is out there.
Yeah definitely. Just strange I guess. The red light is a new thing I've never seen before and from what I saw there is no secondary rotor for the ABS.
Wireless brake tech certainly wouldn't be all that complicated. Small motor controlling a little piston that pushes fluid into the calipers. But there is a ton of drawbacks and zero benefits besides no cables (who cares)
Lag time from lever to brakes, no real way to create brake feel, you are adding weight in general but all the weight you are adding is unsprung weight.
Wireless brake tech certainly wouldn't be all that complicated. Small motor controlling a little piston that pushes fluid into the calipers. But there is a ton...
Wireless brake tech certainly wouldn't be all that complicated. Small motor controlling a little piston that pushes fluid into the calipers. But there is a ton of drawbacks and zero benefits besides no cables (who cares)
Lag time from lever to brakes, no real way to create brake feel, you are adding weight in general but all the weight you are adding is unsprung weight.
Not entirely. One biiiig thing I see is being able to program your lever stroke. I hate shimano brakes due to 99% of the stroke feeling dead then that last 1% is like full lock up it seems. Im not someone who can utilize this. I like to feel a good curve of power. Afterall a good brake should not stop you, but slow you down precisely so youre faster. At least that is my belief.
Hi. A mate said it would be worth posting this on here. I was out riding in the forest of dean at the weekend with my...
Hi. A mate said it would be worth posting this on here. I was out riding in the forest of dean at the weekend with my mates, and spotted a guy riding with some strange ass brakes. I couldn't see cables running up to the bar. I tried to get a quick photo, but this was all I could manage. Maybe ABS or wireless brakes?!
Accelerometer for Fox Live valve REAR shock. (not front fork). Seems like it bolts onto ---existing---disc brake tab mounts for universal retrofit.
If so, and sold as a "bolt-on upgrade" for ANY bike, it is a slick product. An especially slick product as we enter an era where consumers "upgrade rather than replace" their bikes.
Liability of wireless brakes is terrifying… I don’t think any cars are doing fully electric brakes yet?
cool if someone can make it happen though
The Alfa Guila is fully brake by wire. The Infinity Q50 is steer by wire.
The Infinity is required to have a physical backup, but I haven't heard if there is a backup system for the brakes in the Alfa. Most reviewers complained about the lack of modulation at low speeds making it hard to smoothly stop the Alpha.
Almost all modern cars with some kind of driver's assistance including emergency braking have electronic control of the brakes. Most are a tradition braking system with additional computer input not pure brake by wire though.
you don't have to talk to Craig at avalanche, that's a saving in itself.....
A $280 Bomber doesn't get you much; a harsh and digressive base valve setup prone to breaking wave springs, a super high IFP pressure, and (from the stock ones I have had) an over damped rebound stack.
An Avalanche tuned Bomber CR is light years better, but is also usually $600-$700 when you are done.
The PUSH SV8 looks to be a solid $500-$600 shock with a nice "made in Colorado" markup, and an HBO heavily influenced by the stroke you are running.
The sv8 is a cool product, it'll sell loads to dudes with levo's I'm sure. I don't quite get the limited off the shelf tunes with how resistant they are to sell/configure an 11.6 for bikes that are not in their catalog or they don't have data on. The pricing isn't a great value, but it's not terrible for a small volume product made and assembled in the US. I agree the HBO situation is a head scratcher.
Fwiw, regarding the other options people are quoting... I tend to agree with @brash and @dirty booger I have in my fleet the following: 21 dhx2, 11.6 (s-series), RS SDU Coil with VS tractiv tune, cc db inline coil.
I've used craig @ avalanche twice in the past and while the products I got from him were decent, I don't care much to do business with him again. I briefly used a marz bomber cr and as stated above, that shock is a great platform for aftermarket work but performs like trash stock unless you are 250+ lbs or sending huge stuff and need ALL of the damping and don't care much about traction or performance.
The current answer is clear if you want value and 90% of the performance of custom tuned stuff without the expense. 23+ rs super deluxe ultimate. I would buy one of those over the 11.6 I have, over the dhx2 and over the tractiv tuned shock I have. The tractiv tuned super deluxe ultimate is seriously 95% as good as the 11.6 and if you have a previous gen super deluxe it's the clear choice on value/performance. However, there isn't much reason to go down that road as the new super deluxe is absolute butter, stupid easy to setup and find the right end user settings and the performance is imo as good as an 11.6 and anything else I've tried.
The only negative to going that route, is that rockshox is a real pita do deal with on certain parts being available aftermarket. For example, if you scratch a damper shaft... you likely won't be able to get one through your LBS/RS dealer as there seems to be a reluctance for RS to sell those parts without a warranty or in house service request attached. If RS had parts availability and documentation like fox does, I'd never buy another fox product. The saving grace is that RS is truly amazing to deal with on warranty stuff through their LBS's... they just seem to not offer parts support.
Are you serious regarding RS vs. Fox parts situation? While I haven't looked into how many replacement parts are available for Fox products, just the fact that each product requires multiple hundreds of euros in custom tools to be able to service it is an utter no go compared to how easy it is to service RS stuff. The guides are also much more clear than they are for Fox products. One saving grace is the fact that with Fox you buy separate service kits for the lowers, damper and the spring while a 200h kit for RS forks is a one stop shop. There is a ~*2 price difference between the two though (in favour of RS). And the shaft you mention for a C1+ air shock is available at European e-tailers. Not in in stock in all lengths, but it is offered in all variants.
Regarding warranty... there is no doubt it comes down to the local reps, but the warranty handling for RS (all Sram in fact) products in Slovenia is utter garbage. And not much better in the UK based on my (single case) experience. But we are again outside the scope of tech rumors
Thanks I didn’t need to know that
Yeah, UK warranty/backup for Sram is pretty poor. However, rumour has it that they’ll be doing their own thing here soon anyway.
Just when i thought id figured out my next frame they bring out another option to ponder! A cruel cruel world indeed.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C0UuYEBt1gN/
lmao
Id still take it over an Orange… actually i dont know.
Orange make a functional mountain bike. That thing never will be. Considering the seatpost insertion it's not even drawn by someone who mountain bikes, and given the design choices elsewhere i would've thought it was probably put together by an industrial design student for a project.
Don't see any bottle mounts either... Maybe it's a downhill bike? The seattube certainly makes it unusable for any other purpose.
Very disappointing, I would be quite tempted to get this, but 55mm is just not enough to provide adequate damping on a 170mm travel frame.
Sure it‘s not a Gravel bike?
There was a video from Saint and that they posted that says the dh bike was going to be released in late November ti early December.
New Ext shock? Anyone knows anything?
Probably for the "MX" line like their doublecrown, light motorbikes?
https://www.bosch-ebike.com/en/products/abs
Not the same shape as the picture above, but the tech is out there.
Yeah definitely. Just strange I guess. The red light is a new thing I've never seen before and from what I saw there is no secondary rotor for the ABS.
ENHANCE!
Wireless brake tech certainly wouldn't be all that complicated. Small motor controlling a little piston that pushes fluid into the calipers. But there is a ton of drawbacks and zero benefits besides no cables (who cares)
Lag time from lever to brakes, no real way to create brake feel, you are adding weight in general but all the weight you are adding is unsprung weight.
Not entirely. One biiiig thing I see is being able to program your lever stroke. I hate shimano brakes due to 99% of the stroke feeling dead then that last 1% is like full lock up it seems. Im not someone who can utilize this. I like to feel a good curve of power. Afterall a good brake should not stop you, but slow you down precisely so youre faster. At least that is my belief.
Liability of wireless brakes is terrifying… I don’t think any cars are doing fully electric brakes yet?
cool if someone can make it happen though
Looks heavy.
As much as I appreciate the use of the original version of Supernaut, I kinda wish they'd used the 1000 Homo DJs cover.
Definitely a high pivot gravel bike...
Accelerometer for Fox Live valve REAR shock. (not front fork). Seems like it bolts onto ---existing---disc brake tab mounts for universal retrofit.
If so, and sold as a "bolt-on upgrade" for ANY bike, it is a slick product. An especially slick product as we enter an era where consumers "upgrade rather than replace" their bikes.
The Alfa Guila is fully brake by wire. The Infinity Q50 is steer by wire.
The Infinity is required to have a physical backup, but I haven't heard if there is a backup system for the brakes in the Alfa. Most reviewers complained about the lack of modulation at low speeds making it hard to smoothly stop the Alpha.
Almost all modern cars with some kind of driver's assistance including emergency braking have electronic control of the brakes. Most are a tradition braking system with additional computer input not pure brake by wire though.