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11/18/2023 4:18am

Rad news from Canfield as they announce that they will be carrying the remaining inventory of Guerrilla Gravity spare parts and making them available to GG customers:

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PRESS RELEASE: Canfield Bikes

Canfield Bikes, Colorado mountain-bike manufacturer, today announces it will make official Guerrilla Gravity service parts inventory available to owners of GG bikes and frames. Denver-based Guerrilla Gravity ceased operations in September, 2023, leaving many customers wondering if there would be any continued support for recently purchased bikes.

“Like the rest of the mountain-bike community, we were saddened by the news of GG’s departure from the industry,” said Lance Canfield, Canfield Bikes owner and designer. “I’ve enjoyed watching their innovations and contributions as they grew from a new brand to a major player over the past decade. Our sport will be a little less rad without them, but I hope we can offer a small silver lining by keeping their riders rolling a little longer.”

Canfield will offer the remaining Guerrilla Gravity inventory of frame and service parts as well as select merchandise through CanfieldBikes.com while supplies last. No new GG bikes will be sold.

“I’m glad our customers will be in good hands with a fellow Colorado bike company,” said Guerrilla Gravity president and co-founder Will Montague. “Creating and growing GG alongside our amazing team has been the experience of a lifetime. I’m eternally grateful to all the riders, employees and everyone else who supported us along the way. Having a great group like Canfield on board to provide riders with continued support provides peace of mind as we conclude our journey.”

Tyler, a former GG employee, joined the Canfield Bikes team in September to manage sales and customer service. In addition to assisting Canfield customers, his product knowledge will help guarantee that GG customers continue to receive the level of care and customer service they’ve come to know and expect.

“We couldn’t do this without him,” said Lance Canfield.

Guerrilla Gravity customers can contact RideGG@CanfieldBikes.com for service and support.

Select GG inventory is available for purchase now at CanfieldBikes.com with an estimated mid-December ship date.

More parts are expected to be available soon.

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11/18/2023 5:49am

Hope so. But I can’t but wonder how the dread can get better. The v1 is just about the best bike ever 

As a V1 owner, they can redesign the shock tunnel and linkage like the V2 Druid so it doesn't eat rocks and crack itself. I'm just glad there's experienced guys locally that can repair carbon fibre holes. Better frame storage and polishing up the little "newer bike company" type design issues would be amazing. If it's a bigger version of the V2 Druid, I think it would hit everything that needs to be done.

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11/18/2023 5:53am
gbcoke wrote:
production ready new Demo ??

IMG-20231118-WA0002production ready new Demo ??

Considering it's Bruni and there are still prototype links, I would assume it's still in development (or at least that this is not the production model)

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11/18/2023 8:09am

Hope so. But I can’t but wonder how the dread can get better. The v1 is just about the best bike ever 

As a V1 owner, they can redesign the shock tunnel and linkage like the V2 Druid so it doesn't eat rocks and crack itself. I'm just...

As a V1 owner, they can redesign the shock tunnel and linkage like the V2 Druid so it doesn't eat rocks and crack itself. I'm just glad there's experienced guys locally that can repair carbon fibre holes. Better frame storage and polishing up the little "newer bike company" type design issues would be amazing. If it's a bigger version of the V2 Druid, I think it would hit everything that needs to be done.

I havnt had this issue yet but I can see how it would be a problem. I do live in the pnw so not as much rocks as other places. the one thing I do is the if you don’t tighten the rear axle the exact same the rotor isn’t center on the brake. It tends to flex a bit.  

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11/18/2023 8:27am
gbcoke wrote:
production ready new Demo ??

IMG-20231118-WA0002production ready new Demo ??

It looks different than the lugged version that was "uncovered" at least

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11/18/2023 9:28am
gbcoke wrote:
production ready new Demo ??

IMG-20231118-WA0002production ready new Demo ??

It looks different than the lugged version that was "uncovered" at least

From what I've heard the new Demo will also be aluminium-only, like the current gen. The lug-and-tube construction was apparently only for the prototyping stage. 

I think this could be testing with pre-production (but otherwise finished) alloy frames before they go into full production.

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11/18/2023 1:21pm
gbcoke wrote:
production ready new Demo ??

IMG-20231118-WA0002production ready new Demo ??

It looks different than the lugged version that was "uncovered" at least

FullSend wrote:
From what I've heard the new Demo will also be aluminium-only, like the current gen. The lug-and-tube construction was apparently only for the prototyping stage.  I...

From what I've heard the new Demo will also be aluminium-only, like the current gen. The lug-and-tube construction was apparently only for the prototyping stage. 

I think this could be testing with pre-production (but otherwise finished) alloy frames before they go into full production.

From the pic it looks like carbon front and rear triangle,including the swing arm.

Don't see it as alloy only ...

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11/18/2023 3:09pm

Yeah, this one doesn't look like it has Al tubes. Also, looks kinda like the top tube and down tube are not round?

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11/18/2023 3:39pm
Primoz wrote:

Yeah, this one doesn't look like it has Al tubes. Also, looks kinda like the top tube and down tube are not round?

Gravy boat doesn’t look to be carbon.

IMG 9614.jpeg?VersionId=RaY5x8Ng4Ud4Sy

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Never was. 

Correct. So either this is mixed like the proto or more likely just aluminum.

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11/18/2023 5:24pm

The new Demo/Enduro probably rides amazing but I will be really surprised if it sells as well as the outgoing model, just based on asthetics alone

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11/18/2023 8:21pm

No Mudslayer tire coming from Maxxis. 

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Been hoping to hear more about that proto tire Shorty v3 HRIII. It's the season for this to hit the market. Loved the V1 shorty (2.5...

Been hoping to hear more about that proto tire Shorty v3 HRIII. It's the season for this to hit the market. Loved the V1 shorty (2.5 maxxgip dh) in the loose/loam but lacked versatility, V2 (2.4 DD MG) was kind of a let down, lighter rolled better but missed the V1 cornering fun, Wild Enduro looked good but I didn't fall in love with it, considering the Tacky Chan but it's not checking off all the boxes. Funny all the tires I try and keep going back to DHF DHRII.

Gotta wait a bit longer, I’m afraid. Definitely not going to be on sale this season. 
 

I keep going going back to the Minions myself although I’m usually on a dual DHR setup. 

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11/19/2023 9:25am
Primoz wrote:

Yeah, this one doesn't look like it has Al tubes. Also, looks kinda like the top tube and down tube are not round?

chriskief wrote:
Gravy boat doesn’t look to be carbon.

Gravy boat doesn’t look to be carbon.

IMG 9614.jpeg?VersionId=RaY5x8Ng4Ud4Sy

The links appear to be new. I dont know what the bar is technically called but it has a more aggressive bend in it than the painted one. IMG 4977

11/19/2023 5:08pm

The new Demo/Enduro probably rides amazing but I will be really surprised if it sells as well as the outgoing model, just based on asthetics alone

I think it's the exact opposite. Which is a big reason they stopped/did one short run of production of the updated Enduro with UDH on it. They know that this low slung design will get people super eager to buy. The performance and looks will be top notch, especially when it's finalized with carbon, etc. 

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11/19/2023 8:31pm

The new Demo/Enduro probably rides amazing but I will be really surprised if it sells as well as the outgoing model, just based on asthetics alone

I think it's the exact opposite. Which is a big reason they stopped/did one short run of production of the updated Enduro with UDH on it...

I think it's the exact opposite. Which is a big reason they stopped/did one short run of production of the updated Enduro with UDH on it. They know that this low slung design will get people super eager to buy. The performance and looks will be top notch, especially when it's finalized with carbon, etc. 

Low slung is one thing, but having linkage pieces hanging out UNDER the BB will surely be a massive turn off to some people.

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11/19/2023 11:21pm

The new Demo/Enduro probably rides amazing but I will be really surprised if it sells as well as the outgoing model, just based on asthetics alone

I think it's the exact opposite. Which is a big reason they stopped/did one short run of production of the updated Enduro with UDH on it...

I think it's the exact opposite. Which is a big reason they stopped/did one short run of production of the updated Enduro with UDH on it. They know that this low slung design will get people super eager to buy. The performance and looks will be top notch, especially when it's finalized with carbon, etc. 

I have never seen an enduro with UDH

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11/19/2023 11:28pm

I have never seen an enduro with UDH

That’s because they don’t exist.

Current version is just updated colours and coil shocks 

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11/19/2023 11:29pm

Low slung is one thing, but having linkage pieces hanging out UNDER the BB will surely be a massive turn off to some people.

That will get cleaned up a bit for production and will have a polycarbonate or similar fairing that is going to snap over it and onto the carbon frame. Won't be super noticeable as you're not going to see the linkage and it won't hang below a 32T chainring.

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11/19/2023 11:43pm

Low slung is one thing, but having linkage pieces hanging out UNDER the BB will surely be a massive turn off to some people.

That will get cleaned up a bit for production and will have a polycarbonate or similar fairing that is going to snap over it and onto...

That will get cleaned up a bit for production and will have a polycarbonate or similar fairing that is going to snap over it and onto the carbon frame. Won't be super noticeable as you're not going to see the linkage and it won't hang below a 32T chainring.

Interesting insides you provide here. Is this a guess or have you seen something suggesting they are getting closer to a production model? 

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11/20/2023 3:13am

Low slung is one thing, but having linkage pieces hanging out UNDER the BB will surely be a massive turn off to some people.

That will get cleaned up a bit for production and will have a polycarbonate or similar fairing that is going to snap over it and onto...

That will get cleaned up a bit for production and will have a polycarbonate or similar fairing that is going to snap over it and onto the carbon frame. Won't be super noticeable as you're not going to see the linkage and it won't hang below a 32T chainring.

Interesting insides you provide here. Is this a guess or have you seen something suggesting they are getting closer to a production model? 

Sounds like a guess to me. But it’s logical, come to think about it - it the design has superb performance, then a plate/cover of some sort must be put there to receive the hits for rocks, debris, etc. 

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11/20/2023 6:54pm

Hope so. But I can’t but wonder how the dread can get better. The v1 is just about the best bike ever 

As a V1 owner, they can redesign the shock tunnel and linkage like the V2 Druid so it doesn't eat rocks and crack itself. I'm just...

As a V1 owner, they can redesign the shock tunnel and linkage like the V2 Druid so it doesn't eat rocks and crack itself. I'm just glad there's experienced guys locally that can repair carbon fibre holes. Better frame storage and polishing up the little "newer bike company" type design issues would be amazing. If it's a bigger version of the V2 Druid, I think it would hit everything that needs to be done.

As a Druid v2 owner I can confirm that it’s a cement mixer back there. The tire clearance is minimal and with a fresh rear tire on in the southwest, I’ve chunked up the inside of the rear triangle. 

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11/21/2023 4:17pm
gbcoke wrote:
production ready new Demo ??

IMG-20231118-WA0002production ready new Demo ??

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11/21/2023 4:18pm
gbcoke wrote:
production ready new Demo ??

IMG-20231118-WA0002production ready new Demo ??

Krispy wrote:

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11/21/2023 4:19pm

Loic with his moto style reservoir but just missing the servo to turn the compression knob.😎

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11/21/2023 5:04pm

I'd bet it's just Loic riding off-season with a standard shock so he doesn't need to worry about hiding the unreleased Ohlin's tech. 

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11/22/2023 7:36am

The new Demo/Enduro probably rides amazing but I will be really surprised if it sells as well as the outgoing model, just based on asthetics alone

I think it's the exact opposite. Which is a big reason they stopped/did one short run of production of the updated Enduro with UDH on it...

I think it's the exact opposite. Which is a big reason they stopped/did one short run of production of the updated Enduro with UDH on it. They know that this low slung design will get people super eager to buy. The performance and looks will be top notch, especially when it's finalized with carbon, etc. 

Have they actually been made after all?

My guy told me that the UDH-compatible Seatstays never left the design stage. For a short while there was apparently talk of selling them as a sort-of upgrade kit, but my guy said that the higher-ups eventually decided against it for the fear of cannibalising sales of the upcoming model.

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11/22/2023 12:04pm
FullSend wrote:
Have they actually been made after all? My guy told me that the UDH-compatible Seatstays never left the design stage. For a short while there was...

Have they actually been made after all?

My guy told me that the UDH-compatible Seatstays never left the design stage. For a short while there was apparently talk of selling them as a sort-of upgrade kit, but my guy said that the higher-ups eventually decided against it for the fear of cannibalising sales of the upcoming model.

Yes, it goes something like that. The 'new' Enduro should already be out. it's a 3 year cycle normally, 4 with COVID. But the R&D dept was working on this new DH bike design and it paused 'upgrading/slight evolution' of the Enduro since they were on to something that would sell a lot more (all new, 'improved' performance design that was even more low slung and unique).

The Enduro and updated Stumpy have also both been delayed/impacted by the bike glut and the fact they can't clear the stock they have of existing bikes. 

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