Well, there are plenty models that went HP, some to extreme levels, more to not so high, but still high. They do perform great!
And there are plenty of others, that stayed low pivot and work just as well? Maybe every suspension layout has pros and cons and there isn't one clearly dominating the others? Blasphemy I know.
Really can’t understand how this thing doesn’t have a rearward travel - really need to see it compress uncovered in order to understand it!
Kinda strange...
Really can’t understand how this thing doesn’t have a rearward travel - really need to see it compress uncovered in order to understand it!
Kinda strange they decided to use such a design against the high-pivots…
It does have some rearward travel. Very little in the beginning of the travel, but some nevertheless.
What part do you need to see uncovered to understand how it works? The gist of the kinematics was more or less known in the middle of last year, I even made comparison pics of where the IC would be if the lower pivot (the dogbone link connection point on the swingarm) was the actual main pivot. It's a few hundred pages back from here. Then it was fairly quickly established that there's a pull link and a rocker actuating the shock inside the gravy boat piece housing the shock. At the time it was guessing, but it turned out to be correct nevertheless. It's all quite simple really. It's a linkage driven horst link (or what Intense would call a 6-bar)
Really can’t understand how this thing doesn’t have a rearward travel - really need to see it compress uncovered in order to understand it!
Kinda strange...
Really can’t understand how this thing doesn’t have a rearward travel - really need to see it compress uncovered in order to understand it!
Kinda strange they decided to use such a design against the high-pivots…
The axle might go slightly rearward then up and forward. I haven’t mapped it out.
Looks like a Zeb, Super Deluxe coil and AXS dropper on it.
There was supposed to be a new Enduro released soon but seeing as they're still sitting on high inventory from the current model, it has apparently been pushed back...
There was supposed to be a new Enduro released soon but seeing as they're still sitting on high inventory from the current model, it has apparently...
There was supposed to be a new Enduro released soon but seeing as they're still sitting on high inventory from the current model, it has apparently been pushed back...
Same with the stumpy. Both have been pushed back several times.
Really can’t understand how this thing doesn’t have a rearward travel - really need to see it compress uncovered in order to understand it!
Kinda strange...
Really can’t understand how this thing doesn’t have a rearward travel - really need to see it compress uncovered in order to understand it!
Kinda strange they decided to use such a design against the high-pivots…
bike abuse msa video for homework and suspension in action (including finn dragging links toward the end)
bike abuse msa video for homework and suspension in action (including finn dragging links toward the end)
A question looking at the forks flex there
Since i started riding motorcycles i appreciate the usd forks even more,
Why upside down forks aren't widely used since like 2021 where weight became a less of a priority? we used to have an excuse because there was significant weight differences but just checked and fox 40 is 2850g and a dorado is 2970 both for 29 wheels.
A question looking at the forks flex there
Since i started riding motorcycles i appreciate the usd forks even more,
Why upside down forks aren't widely...
A question looking at the forks flex there
Since i started riding motorcycles i appreciate the usd forks even more,
Why upside down forks aren't widely used since like 2021 where weight became a less of a priority? we used to have an excuse because there was significant weight differences but just checked and fox 40 is 2850g and a dorado is 2970 both for 29 wheels.
My guess as to why they're not as widespread is market share and who's got the thickest wallet come sponsorship time.
Who’s to say it is a Enduro bike, could just be another frame built up with a fork they had laying around, the Zeb can go up to 190mm remember, and least it would be a rolling chassis for the likes of the engineers and test riders to ride and test different characteristics.
To everybody commenting on Zeb and Enduro, my thoughts exactly.
Anywho, pretty sure it would be anodized, not painted for the aluminium part?
More importantly... The...
To everybody commenting on Zeb and Enduro, my thoughts exactly.
Anywho, pretty sure it would be anodized, not painted for the aluminium part?
More importantly... The seatstays are black. No aluminium parts on them. Is this an off-the-shelf part? Can it be a Stumpjumper EVO seatstay?
They're using the Enduro seat stays. Or at least the same mold, god knows if it's the same carbon layup.
A question looking at the forks flex there
Since i started riding motorcycles i appreciate the usd forks even more,
Why upside down forks aren't widely...
A question looking at the forks flex there
Since i started riding motorcycles i appreciate the usd forks even more,
Why upside down forks aren't widely used since like 2021 where weight became a less of a priority? we used to have an excuse because there was significant weight differences but just checked and fox 40 is 2850g and a dorado is 2970 both for 29 wheels.
I’ve always thought the same thing. People say that you get weird torsional flexy noodle feelings with them. I don’t know how much I do or don’t believe that, but a lot of people say that. I guess the majority have agreed that fore/aft flex issues that standard mtb forks have is less of a negative than the torsional flex that a usd fork has.
I thought a beefier hub to fork lug interface would be a fairly easy solution but Mr. Camp (sram dude) said it’s pretty tough to make happen.
A question looking at the forks flex there
Since i started riding motorcycles i appreciate the usd forks even more,
Why upside down forks aren't widely...
A question looking at the forks flex there
Since i started riding motorcycles i appreciate the usd forks even more,
Why upside down forks aren't widely used since like 2021 where weight became a less of a priority? we used to have an excuse because there was significant weight differences but just checked and fox 40 is 2850g and a dorado is 2970 both for 29 wheels.
I’ve always thought the same thing. People say that you get weird torsional flexy noodle feelings with them. I don’t know how much I do or...
I’ve always thought the same thing. People say that you get weird torsional flexy noodle feelings with them. I don’t know how much I do or don’t believe that, but a lot of people say that. I guess the majority have agreed that fore/aft flex issues that standard mtb forks have is less of a negative than the torsional flex that a usd fork has.
I thought a beefier hub to fork lug interface would be a fairly easy solution but Mr. Camp (sram dude) said it’s pretty tough to make happen.
Sram has a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. I wouldn't take a manufacturer's word as the final authority of anything. They are promoting their products above all else.
Sram has a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. I wouldn't take a manufacturer's word as the final authority of anything. They are promoting their...
Sram has a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. I wouldn't take a manufacturer's word as the final authority of anything. They are promoting their products above all else.
That is not even remotely true.
look at 2010 sram and 2023 sram. They have drastically changed the status quo regarding drivetrains first by 1x and then setting the benchmark for electric components. Among other things.
Sram made the inverted RS-1 years ago, I actually owned one. It was a great fork, but was a little niche, it required a proprietary hub and despite the entire uppers/steerer tube being made out of carbon it was actually slightly heavier than the Sid at the time. If Sram was able to get the weight significantly lower than the Sid I think they would have been more popular.
Well, there are plenty models that went HP, some to extreme levels, more to not so high, but still high. They do perform great!
Ok then, now show us Loic's shock.
Think I'll be waiting longer for that
And there are plenty of others, that stayed low pivot and work just as well? Maybe every suspension layout has pros and cons and there isn't one clearly dominating the others? Blasphemy I know.
It does have some rearward travel. Very little in the beginning of the travel, but some nevertheless.
What part do you need to see uncovered to understand how it works? The gist of the kinematics was more or less known in the middle of last year, I even made comparison pics of where the IC would be if the lower pivot (the dogbone link connection point on the swingarm) was the actual main pivot. It's a few hundred pages back from here. Then it was fairly quickly established that there's a pull link and a rocker actuating the shock inside the gravy boat piece housing the shock. At the time it was guessing, but it turned out to be correct nevertheless. It's all quite simple really. It's a linkage driven horst link (or what Intense would call a 6-bar)
The axle might go slightly rearward then up and forward. I haven’t mapped it out.
here’s a photo of the bike before paint
More importantly there’s one behind it with a Zeb
Enduro?!!
Good eye!
Looks like a Zeb, Super Deluxe coil and AXS dropper on it.
bike abuse msa video for homework and suspension in action (including finn dragging links toward the end)
There was supposed to be a new Enduro released soon but seeing as they're still sitting on high inventory from the current model, it has apparently been pushed back...
Same with the stumpy. Both have been pushed back several times.
To everybody commenting on Zeb and Enduro, my thoughts exactly.
Anywho, pretty sure it would be anodized, not painted for the aluminium part?
More importantly... The seatstays are black. No aluminium parts on them. Is this an off-the-shelf part? Can it be a Stumpjumper EVO seatstay?
So it looks like the new Enduro will use the same design as the current proto demo. Or maybe they are just trying things. Where is the photo from?
Maybe they're just having a bit of fun with us.
Specialized running maxxis on prototypes bikes
A question looking at the forks flex there
Since i started riding motorcycles i appreciate the usd forks even more,
Why upside down forks aren't widely used since like 2021 where weight became a less of a priority? we used to have an excuse because there was significant weight differences but just checked and fox 40 is 2850g and a dorado is 2970 both for 29 wheels.
My guess as to why they're not as widespread is market share and who's got the thickest wallet come sponsorship time.
Buttons and lights on Loic’s rig via Wyn TV
Have to laugh
seems like the “enduro” was conveniently placed for the photo
Steeper STA at least
Who’s to say it is a Enduro bike, could just be another frame built up with a fork they had laying around, the Zeb can go up to 190mm remember, and least it would be a rolling chassis for the likes of the engineers and test riders to ride and test different characteristics.
And the ATC of the Zeb at 190 mm should pretty close to what the Boxxer at 200 mm would be.
They're using the Enduro seat stays. Or at least the same mold, god knows if it's the same carbon layup.
ZEB 190 is 27,5 only if my memory is still fine
Better check your memory banks….
I’ve always thought the same thing. People say that you get weird torsional flexy noodle feelings with them. I don’t know how much I do or don’t believe that, but a lot of people say that. I guess the majority have agreed that fore/aft flex issues that standard mtb forks have is less of a negative than the torsional flex that a usd fork has.
I thought a beefier hub to fork lug interface would be a fairly easy solution but Mr. Camp (sram dude) said it’s pretty tough to make happen.
Yea we won't ever see that.
Sram has a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. I wouldn't take a manufacturer's word as the final authority of anything. They are promoting their products above all else.
That is not even remotely true.
look at 2010 sram and 2023 sram. They have drastically changed the status quo regarding drivetrains first by 1x and then setting the benchmark for electric components. Among other things.
Sram made the inverted RS-1 years ago, I actually owned one. It was a great fork, but was a little niche, it required a proprietary hub and despite the entire uppers/steerer tube being made out of carbon it was actually slightly heavier than the Sid at the time. If Sram was able to get the weight significantly lower than the Sid I think they would have been more popular.