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8/12/2024 1:46pm

Loving the vee attack hpl on the front of my enduro bike, Hutchinson griffus is an awesome dry condition trail bIke front tire, both can be found pretty cheap online.

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ricksticks wrote:
Is anybody else dying for an xc style tread with a double down level casing or is that too niche? I have one bike with two...

Is anybody else dying for an xc style tread with a double down level casing or is that too niche? I have one bike with two wheel sets, one for bike park and rough trails and one for long days on the bike, but where I live in AZ the trails are really rough but rolling speed is crucial to survive being out there for 40-60 mile rides. So I'd love a fast rolling xc tire that is extra dependable in the back country. Like a Rekon Double Down or something. 

kcyeeto wrote:

Maxxis used to make Icons in a double down casing. 

That's literally my dream come true

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8/12/2024 2:06pm Edited Date/Time 8/12/2024 2:08pm
ricksticks wrote:
Is anybody else dying for an xc style tread with a double down level casing or is that too niche? I have one bike with two...

Is anybody else dying for an xc style tread with a double down level casing or is that too niche? I have one bike with two wheel sets, one for bike park and rough trails and one for long days on the bike, but where I live in AZ the trails are really rough but rolling speed is crucial to survive being out there for 40-60 mile rides. So I'd love a fast rolling xc tire that is extra dependable in the back country. Like a Rekon Double Down or something. 

kcyeeto wrote:

Maxxis used to make Icons in a double down casing. 

ricksticks wrote:

That's literally my dream come true

Don’t WTB sell the Trail Boss in a tough casing? Those are relatively fast tires.


Edit: the Teravail Ehline is also sold in a “durable” casing and looks pretty fast.

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8/12/2024 2:29pm

As somebody who has become Kryptotal-pilled but would love to not pay 100+ for tires anymore...

Anybody have good experiences with Versus tires? See them promoted locally a lot but not really by 'real' riders, just by basically local influencers and journeymen.

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8/12/2024 3:19pm Edited Date/Time 8/12/2024 3:45pm
ricksticks wrote:
Is anybody else dying for an xc style tread with a double down level casing or is that too niche? I have one bike with two...

Is anybody else dying for an xc style tread with a double down level casing or is that too niche? I have one bike with two wheel sets, one for bike park and rough trails and one for long days on the bike, but where I live in AZ the trails are really rough but rolling speed is crucial to survive being out there for 40-60 mile rides. So I'd love a fast rolling xc tire that is extra dependable in the back country. Like a Rekon Double Down or something. 

Minion SS. Kinda hard to find now though.

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8/12/2024 3:29pm

Those new Schwalbe radials look intriguing. I'm not sure how much is marketing and how much is actually "so revolutionary you'll want to go burn down the other tire companies' headquarters for being so conceited as to keep selling their crappy swill," though. 

I do remember when radial tires made a debut in Sportbike racing many years ago; everyone quickly moved to that spec and there has never been a bias-ply tire in the paddock since. There could be some crossover to MTB, albeit minor. 

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8/12/2024 3:54pm

The Argotal is amazing on soft surfaces but kinda crap on hardpack.  It's not an ideal front-range tire because of that, but it is still quite good.  If the Kryptotal fr came in 2.6 I would definitely try it out.  Even the Kryptotal re doesn't hold an edge as well as DHF/DHR on hard surfaces.  Maybe they would if I over-inflated them, but who wants to do that?

My rims are 35 internal, so the 2.6 fits very nicely thank you.

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8/12/2024 4:03pm Edited Date/Time 8/12/2024 4:03pm
D(C) wrote:
There is a Rekon EXO+ that seems to hold up pretty well. For burlier casings, you could look for one of the gravity-focused semi-slicks, like Minion...

There is a Rekon EXO+ that seems to hold up pretty well. For burlier casings, you could look for one of the gravity-focused semi-slicks, like Minion SS or similar.

ricksticks wrote:
That's actually the tire I run on my "xc" wheelset currently. I would love more protection in the rear though. I've been curious about the Minion...

That's actually the tire I run on my "xc" wheelset currently. I would love more protection in the rear though. I've been curious about the Minion SS and similar but they always just seemed too weird. I guess if I'm looking for a niche tire it makes sense that it would be weird. Edit: looks like the SS's only come in exo casing

thegromit wrote:
If you can find it maxxis made a tire called the Griffin in DH and DD for a little its was pretty good fast rolling tire...

If you can find it maxxis made a tire called the Griffin in DH and DD for a little its was pretty good fast rolling tire. Not sure if there are many still floating around.

The Tomahawk was a good option as well (discontinued), which came in DD casing.

Minion SS comes (came?) in DD and DH casing at some point.

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Best pic I can find of the mythical DD Icon. Bring it back!!

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8/12/2024 5:35pm
j0lsrud wrote:

Continental Kryptotal Fr/Re.

- End thread

Yoda wrote:
Couldn't agree more. Running DH supersoft Fr/Fr combo on the DH and AM bikes. Super grippy, super predictable, corner great. Low wear for a tire with...

Couldn't agree more. Running DH supersoft Fr/Fr combo on the DH and AM bikes. Super grippy, super predictable, corner great. Low wear for a tire with this tier of grip. Only minor complaint is they're really damn tight on install/removal.  

Nobble wrote:
I wish the DH casing was a bit stiffer. There’s one spot on a local trail where I roll the casing pretty much regardless of how...

I wish the DH casing was a bit stiffer. There’s one spot on a local trail where I roll the casing pretty much regardless of how much air I put in it.

I find I’m having to run an extra 2-4psi over what I’d run in other DH casings.

im the opposite and so is the Pro's who specifically state the Conti carcass is stiffer. 

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Falcon wrote:
Those new Schwalbe radials look intriguing. I'm not sure how much is marketing and how much is actually "so revolutionary you'll want to go burn down...

Those new Schwalbe radials look intriguing. I'm not sure how much is marketing and how much is actually "so revolutionary you'll want to go burn down the other tire companies' headquarters for being so conceited as to keep selling their crappy swill," though. 

I do remember when radial tires made a debut in Sportbike racing many years ago; everyone quickly moved to that spec and there has never been a bias-ply tire in the paddock since. There could be some crossover to MTB, albeit minor. 

I bit the bullet and will give my opinion on the Albert this weekend when I have time to ride… and if I receive it in time. 

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8/12/2024 5:41pm Edited Date/Time 8/12/2024 5:42pm
903ric

(especially when they're all made in asia)

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8/12/2024 7:59pm

This seems like an appropriate place to spew my very esoteric knowledge of modern/ current 26" tires. For the groms, people with older bikes, mini mullet enjoyers like me... There is an audience, albeit a small one.

Schwalbe is the go-to brand. For Vital readers I think their three relevant tires are:

Big Betty Super Trail Soft 26x2.4

-the key feature is I think it'll brake harder than a DHR2, while possibly rolling a little slower, but I haven't had the chance to compare apples to apples. My last DHRII was a plus tire...

-At threshold braking it makes a louder noise than some other tires, personally I like this

-note it's a trail casing despite the aggressive tread.

 

Hans Dampf Super Gravity Soft 26x2.35

-rolls faster, corners just as hard as Betty (but has to be leaned over more intentionally).

-brakes okay, except on loose surfaces. Clogs in mud.

-not sure why this tread pattern got the super gravity casing, feels like Betty should have instead? But it does make this a very good choice for hard surfaces.

 

Magic Mary Super DH Ultra Soft

-if you want ALL the grip.

-I don't own this one, I have the 27.5 super trail version up front and like the tread and compound.

 

Maxxis seems to cover 26" DH and XC, but nothing in between. Can't blame them, but glad Schwalbe stepped up to cover the trail and enduro crowd.


Continental also has the Kryptotal pair in Enduro Soft 2.4. I'm running a Rear right now.

-it might brake harder again than Big Betty?!

-nice cornering, confident feel

-rolls surprisingly well for how aggressive it looks

-hard to source.

-my current favourite rear tire, but Big Betty is a very close second and could be the better choice for a kid or light person.

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ricksticks wrote:
Is anybody else dying for an xc style tread with a double down level casing or is that too niche? I have one bike with two...

Is anybody else dying for an xc style tread with a double down level casing or is that too niche? I have one bike with two wheel sets, one for bike park and rough trails and one for long days on the bike, but where I live in AZ the trails are really rough but rolling speed is crucial to survive being out there for 40-60 mile rides. So I'd love a fast rolling xc tire that is extra dependable in the back country. Like a Rekon Double Down or something. 

I posted this about an hour before you commented! 

Currently trying Michelins Force AM2’s on my Ibis Ripley AF. I ride in the Midwest and was looking for a faster rolling but durable light trail bike tire. My terrain is pretty rocky and have cut the sidewall on multiple Maxxis tires but my terrain is relatively flat so it’s a difficult problem to solve. My best way to describe these tires would be a Maxxis Rekon in a double down casing. It rolls well, traction is good and the casing is pretty beefy. It does exactly what I need it to do. It does have a pretty damped ride quality to it, the bike is much quieter but at times does feel a little dead to the point where I had to open up compression just to give it some liveliness. I’d give it a 4/5 overall.

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This seems like an appropriate place to spew my very esoteric knowledge of modern/ current 26" tires. For the groms, people with older bikes, mini mullet...

This seems like an appropriate place to spew my very esoteric knowledge of modern/ current 26" tires. For the groms, people with older bikes, mini mullet enjoyers like me... There is an audience, albeit a small one.

Schwalbe is the go-to brand. For Vital readers I think their three relevant tires are:

Big Betty Super Trail Soft 26x2.4

-the key feature is I think it'll brake harder than a DHR2, while possibly rolling a little slower, but I haven't had the chance to compare apples to apples. My last DHRII was a plus tire...

-At threshold braking it makes a louder noise than some other tires, personally I like this

-note it's a trail casing despite the aggressive tread.

 

Hans Dampf Super Gravity Soft 26x2.35

-rolls faster, corners just as hard as Betty (but has to be leaned over more intentionally).

-brakes okay, except on loose surfaces. Clogs in mud.

-not sure why this tread pattern got the super gravity casing, feels like Betty should have instead? But it does make this a very good choice for hard surfaces.

 

Magic Mary Super DH Ultra Soft

-if you want ALL the grip.

-I don't own this one, I have the 27.5 super trail version up front and like the tread and compound.

 

Maxxis seems to cover 26" DH and XC, but nothing in between. Can't blame them, but glad Schwalbe stepped up to cover the trail and enduro crowd.


Continental also has the Kryptotal pair in Enduro Soft 2.4. I'm running a Rear right now.

-it might brake harder again than Big Betty?!

-nice cornering, confident feel

-rolls surprisingly well for how aggressive it looks

-hard to source.

-my current favourite rear tire, but Big Betty is a very close second and could be the better choice for a kid or light person.

great post ! I'm into the 26 ones for my kids bikes who use 26 rear.. Big betty supertrail has been the default, but some faster rolling could be better

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8/12/2024 10:09pm
MauiMax wrote:
Conti Kryptotal question. Front Front vs Front and Rear and why? I see alot of the dh racers running front front and right now im on...

Conti Kryptotal question. Front Front vs Front and Rear and why? I see alot of the dh racers running front front and right now im on front and rear. 

By the time I bought mines, only FR was in stock, I use it on a 150/140 trail/enduro, and locally I need to go through a lot of asphalt until I reach the trails, with mny inclined sections, and they still hold up great since January, best tire combo ever Smile Plusz in the winter I can just re mount the front to the rear and buy a new one for the front. 

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If you are willing to give up some grip for rolling speed, I was positively surprised by the Vittoria Martello out back, it comes in pretty strong casings too and dirt cheap online.

I'm interested in the new schwalbe Albert gravity as it seems like a good rear tyre option. The Hans dampf knobs are too small, the big Betty will wear out its center knobs in a few hours and the Eddy current is massive and rides a bit weird.

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8/13/2024 12:43am Edited Date/Time 8/13/2024 1:30am
thegromit wrote:
Michelin DH34 Bike Park - Lasted 1.5 laps in the bike park. I was hoping to have a hard compound dh tire but for some reason...

Michelin DH34 Bike Park - Lasted 1.5 laps in the bike park. I was hoping to have a hard compound dh tire but for some reason they dont make the side wall as burly as their Wild Enduro or DH tire. Why IDK, would not suggest.

Whats the best DH tire with more durable compounds? I got a new DHR2 DH Maxxterra but not sure how long it will last. A dual compound would be cool.

I like the specy Cannibal but at $80 a pop I am not running them until the sales come back around on them. 

The F/R Tacky chan is so hot right now

Just get the Assegai DH Bikepark, that's the dual rubber compound!

For faster rolling Maxxis Agressor has dual compound and DD but would be nice in DH. 

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8/13/2024 3:39am
madsam9 wrote:
Anyone has some experience with kryptotal fr vs argotal? I'm on my third kryptotal fr in super soft and it's great, but I was thinking about...

Anyone has some experience with kryptotal fr vs argotal? I'm on my third kryptotal fr in super soft and it's great, but I was thinking about trying an argotal next

I have a Krypt (enduro soft) rear, but haven't tried the front, but do have an Arg front. I save it for nasty wet conditions, rather than day to day, as it's pretty toothy. Quite a bit deeper tread than a Mary, for example. It's great when the conditions call for it, but I'm finding the Mary (SG US) covers so many conditions, I rarely need the Arg. The Assegai (DD MG) has a narrower conditions window and meant I used the Arg more previously

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thegromit wrote:
Michelin DH34 Bike Park - Lasted 1.5 laps in the bike park. I was hoping to have a hard compound dh tire but for some reason...

Michelin DH34 Bike Park - Lasted 1.5 laps in the bike park. I was hoping to have a hard compound dh tire but for some reason they dont make the side wall as burly as their Wild Enduro or DH tire. Why IDK, would not suggest.

Whats the best DH tire with more durable compounds? I got a new DHR2 DH Maxxterra but not sure how long it will last. A dual compound would be cool.

I like the specy Cannibal but at $80 a pop I am not running them until the sales come back around on them. 

The F/R Tacky chan is so hot right now

Just get the Assegai DH Bikepark, that's the dual rubber compound!

For faster rolling Maxxis Agressor has dual compound and DD but would be nice in DH. 

Assegai bike park I believe is only available in 29. 

A friend gave me a Aggressor DD Dual  I am actually liking it for a lot of stuff outside the bike park but this one should be renamed the accelerator because when you brake you only speed up

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8/13/2024 7:34am

Anybody have a good time with magic Mary’s in the enduro casing?


My experience is that they stink lol. I had one on for a few hours at Whistler a side knob ripped clean off leaving a pinky sized hole in a brand new tire. 

Been running Maxxis assegai in dbl down for years. never had a single puncture. 

Magic Mary on lasted a couple hours…..

Schwable can I have some new tires please lol. 

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8/13/2024 10:31am

i am using right now Hutchinson Griffus racing lab and they really surprised me

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8/13/2024 10:33am Edited Date/Time 8/13/2024 10:33am
ricksticks wrote:
Is anybody else dying for an xc style tread with a double down level casing or is that too niche? I have one bike with two...

Is anybody else dying for an xc style tread with a double down level casing or is that too niche? I have one bike with two wheel sets, one for bike park and rough trails and one for long days on the bike, but where I live in AZ the trails are really rough but rolling speed is crucial to survive being out there for 40-60 mile rides. So I'd love a fast rolling xc tire that is extra dependable in the back country. Like a Rekon Double Down or something. 

I'd suggest a dual compound Aggressor 2.3 DD.

It's not a XC tire but it rolls much faster than modern AM tires and should work very well in your terrain.

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8/13/2024 10:35am
Falcon wrote:
Those new Schwalbe radials look intriguing. I'm not sure how much is marketing and how much is actually "so revolutionary you'll want to go burn down...

Those new Schwalbe radials look intriguing. I'm not sure how much is marketing and how much is actually "so revolutionary you'll want to go burn down the other tire companies' headquarters for being so conceited as to keep selling their crappy swill," though. 

I do remember when radial tires made a debut in Sportbike racing many years ago; everyone quickly moved to that spec and there has never been a bias-ply tire in the paddock since. There could be some crossover to MTB, albeit minor. 

I bit the bullet and will give my opinion on the Albert this weekend when I have time to ride… and if I receive it in time. 

I have a set arriving this Friday as well and am pretty stoked on trying them.

Problem is that I had just mounted a brand-new set of Mazza's F & R a day before these were announced, so it's going to be a couple of months before I try them out.

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8/13/2024 11:26am

Anyone else on Specialized Butcher/Eliminator tires and experiencing multiple side lugs ripping off after 50-100 miles of use? Love the combo for my trails, but this has happened to me recently with their T9 and T7 compounds.  Their GC in T7 have been rock solid. Previouly on Maxxis tires and did not have this issue.

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8/13/2024 12:11pm
Suns_PSD wrote:
I have a set arriving this Friday as well and am pretty stoked on trying them.Problem is that I had just mounted a brand-new set of...

I have a set arriving this Friday as well and am pretty stoked on trying them.

Problem is that I had just mounted a brand-new set of Mazza's F & R a day before these were announced, so it's going to be a couple of months before I try them out.

You know you can un-mount the Mazzas and put the Radials on. Probably a <20 minute job. 
 

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8/13/2024 1:19pm

A few things regarding tyres that I haven't found answers for so many years already: 

- 99.99% never think of mixing brands - this gives you endless combinations because front and rear tires have different needs anyway, why not different brand? For decade now, I haven't found a better combo than Magic Mary front, DHR II rear. Mary is the ultimate front tire and has almost no drawbacks (apart from not perfect on loose over hard), the only tire that works on everything and you only take it off when it's time for new one. Also something noone ever acknowledged, Mary is the only tire that has it's side knob at 45 degrees (WTB Vigilante also but that's mainly rear tire for me) this gives you waayy better side grip that comes much earlier and stays longer. The side knob itself is internally shredded and deforms and grips in a way that no other tire comes even close, especially on wet roots, rocks etc. 

DHR is... DHR. Nothing on the market has a better compromise of rolling resistance, braking and predictability

- Harder / more durable compounds - what's the point (apart from racing) of having soft 3C compound tire, especially rear, when wearing so fast that literally in a day this tire has no performance at all? I live in a area where trails are super fast, aggressive and 90% rocks. I go over tyres like crazy. Only MAXXIS compound that wears a bit slower is DUAL, however it only comes in EXO which is too thin for me. Also I can definitely argue that harder compound works better on hard and dry rocks, as the thread does not get squashed and loose bite that much. Continental has harder compound but I don't think any of their tyres comes close to DHR in the rear. Still don't understand why tyre manufacturers (MAXXIS) don't think of this.

- Inserts - I was insert guy for many years until I realised that's stupid. If you think about it, grip comes with tracking / suspension. What inserts literally do is reducing your suspension stroke of your tire and no fork/shock will ever be as sensitive as a tire suspension stroke at the correct pressure. Cushcore is the only one that managed to reduce the air volume the least but still provide side support... but if you think about it, not letting your tire move and conform slightly from one side to the other actually reduce tracking. Tyre with insert will never track and be comfortable as DH casing tyre without insert. Full stop. 

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hookem34 wrote:
Anyone else on Specialized Butcher/Eliminator tires and experiencing multiple side lugs ripping off after 50-100 miles of use? Love the combo for my trails, but this...

Anyone else on Specialized Butcher/Eliminator tires and experiencing multiple side lugs ripping off after 50-100 miles of use? Love the combo for my trails, but this has happened to me recently with their T9 and T7 compounds.  Their GC in T7 have been rock solid. Previouly on Maxxis tires and did not have this issue.

I’ve gotten great wear out of mine.  Here is a eliminator T9- been on the front of my bike for 3-4 months.  Knobs are wearing, not tearing off.  Going to last as long as 2x aggressors on the back.
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Been running this with a DD aggressor 2.3 on the back. Mostly happy with those - good wear, fast rolling, light enough.  Have flatted a few and they are super square profile but as a rear don’t really feel it

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A few things regarding tyres that I haven't found answers for so many years already: - 99.99% never think of mixing brands - this gives you endless...

A few things regarding tyres that I haven't found answers for so many years already: 

- 99.99% never think of mixing brands - this gives you endless combinations because front and rear tires have different needs anyway, why not different brand? For decade now, I haven't found a better combo than Magic Mary front, DHR II rear. Mary is the ultimate front tire and has almost no drawbacks (apart from not perfect on loose over hard), the only tire that works on everything and you only take it off when it's time for new one. Also something noone ever acknowledged, Mary is the only tire that has it's side knob at 45 degrees (WTB Vigilante also but that's mainly rear tire for me) this gives you waayy better side grip that comes much earlier and stays longer. The side knob itself is internally shredded and deforms and grips in a way that no other tire comes even close, especially on wet roots, rocks etc. 

DHR is... DHR. Nothing on the market has a better compromise of rolling resistance, braking and predictability

- Harder / more durable compounds - what's the point (apart from racing) of having soft 3C compound tire, especially rear, when wearing so fast that literally in a day this tire has no performance at all? I live in a area where trails are super fast, aggressive and 90% rocks. I go over tyres like crazy. Only MAXXIS compound that wears a bit slower is DUAL, however it only comes in EXO which is too thin for me. Also I can definitely argue that harder compound works better on hard and dry rocks, as the thread does not get squashed and loose bite that much. Continental has harder compound but I don't think any of their tyres comes close to DHR in the rear. Still don't understand why tyre manufacturers (MAXXIS) don't think of this.

- Inserts - I was insert guy for many years until I realised that's stupid. If you think about it, grip comes with tracking / suspension. What inserts literally do is reducing your suspension stroke of your tire and no fork/shock will ever be as sensitive as a tire suspension stroke at the correct pressure. Cushcore is the only one that managed to reduce the air volume the least but still provide side support... but if you think about it, not letting your tire move and conform slightly from one side to the other actually reduce tracking. Tyre with insert will never track and be comfortable as DH casing tyre without insert. Full stop. 

I love the DHR when they're fresh, but the Kryptotal rear is my back tire of choice now. I've been amazed how well they hold up, especially compared to a DHR. 

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I love the DHR when they're fresh, but the Kryptotal rear is my back tire of choice now. I've been amazed how well they hold up...

I love the DHR when they're fresh, but the Kryptotal rear is my back tire of choice now. I've been amazed how well they hold up, especially compared to a DHR. 

Same for me. The kryptotal super soft seems to last at least twice as long as a dhr maxx grip. It seems like the center knobs don't round as much

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