The oneup aluminum wheels are interesting when you view the overall portfolio of products at PON. Based on the initial information, there is no intention to offer the rims separately. It makes me wonder if these will be positioned as the slightly more budget option for santacruz oem builds. They weigh more or less the same as a pair of reserve AL|HD wheels. I like the 28f/32r and front/rear specific rim ideas with regards to compliance.
Overall seems like a good option as a lower price point then reserve ALs. I've had good luck with reserve AL|HD wheels and find them just about as durable as ex511s. That is to say that I can get basically 1 full year of usage on an enduro bike that sees park usage or an ebike and then the rear hoop isn't worth saving. I would still opt to spend the extra 100 bucks on reserves at this price point, especially with the reserves had the Deg DF option... but the oneups do seem to shave the entry point for a solid aluminum wheelset that can take a beating down by 100 bucks.
It's really nice to be able to buy good pre-built system style aluminum wheelsets at reasonable prices. 5 years ago, the only way to get there was to DIY build or overpay by about 20% for a DT Swiss system... Despite all of the collective consumer grumbling of prices going up, pricing on wheels has come down considerably in recent times with options that aren't made of cheese.
The oneup aluminum wheels are interesting when you view the overall portfolio of products at PON. Based on the initial information, there is no intention to...
The oneup aluminum wheels are interesting when you view the overall portfolio of products at PON. Based on the initial information, there is no intention to offer the rims separately. It makes me wonder if these will be positioned as the slightly more budget option for santacruz oem builds. They weigh more or less the same as a pair of reserve AL|HD wheels. I like the 28f/32r and front/rear specific rim ideas with regards to compliance.
Overall seems like a good option as a lower price point then reserve ALs. I've had good luck with reserve AL|HD wheels and find them just about as durable as ex511s. That is to say that I can get basically 1 full year of usage on an enduro bike that sees park usage or an ebike and then the rear hoop isn't worth saving. I would still opt to spend the extra 100 bucks on reserves at this price point, especially with the reserves had the Deg DF option... but the oneups do seem to shave the entry point for a solid aluminum wheelset that can take a beating down by 100 bucks.
It's really nice to be able to buy good pre-built system style aluminum wheelsets at reasonable prices. 5 years ago, the only way to get there was to DIY build or overpay by about 20% for a DT Swiss system... Despite all of the collective consumer grumbling of prices going up, pricing on wheels has come down considerably in recent times with options that aren't made of cheese.
So in essence you're telling me we are witnessing the birth of crab wheels, to go along the new generation of crab Santa Cruz bikes?
The oneup aluminum wheels are interesting when you view the overall portfolio of products at PON. Based on the initial information, there is no intention to...
The oneup aluminum wheels are interesting when you view the overall portfolio of products at PON. Based on the initial information, there is no intention to offer the rims separately. It makes me wonder if these will be positioned as the slightly more budget option for santacruz oem builds. They weigh more or less the same as a pair of reserve AL|HD wheels. I like the 28f/32r and front/rear specific rim ideas with regards to compliance.
Overall seems like a good option as a lower price point then reserve ALs. I've had good luck with reserve AL|HD wheels and find them just about as durable as ex511s. That is to say that I can get basically 1 full year of usage on an enduro bike that sees park usage or an ebike and then the rear hoop isn't worth saving. I would still opt to spend the extra 100 bucks on reserves at this price point, especially with the reserves had the Deg DF option... but the oneups do seem to shave the entry point for a solid aluminum wheelset that can take a beating down by 100 bucks.
It's really nice to be able to buy good pre-built system style aluminum wheelsets at reasonable prices. 5 years ago, the only way to get there was to DIY build or overpay by about 20% for a DT Swiss system... Despite all of the collective consumer grumbling of prices going up, pricing on wheels has come down considerably in recent times with options that aren't made of cheese.
In a regular bike you have one big bearing for the crank.Using an idler wheel means you have a second mounting point including additional bearings that...
In a regular bike you have one big bearing for the crank. Using an idler wheel means you have a second mounting point including additional bearings that have a certain resistance when spinning. So the resistance from bearings is roughly doubled compared to a non-idler-bike.
I really don't see how an electronic suspension could improve this.
Losses from bearings are extremely minimal and not noticeable. ~0.1w. The losses in an idler bike are coming from forcing the chain to articulate under tension. Most mtb riders probably have somewhere between 5-10+% loss from the drivetrain (chain). Those losses come from making the chain articulate under load via internal chain friction. Forcing that extra loaded articulation I would expect losses to increase by 30-50%. So your typical dirty oiled mtb chain goes from losing 20w to 30w at 200w chill pedaling load and only gets worse from there. 5w increases are generally considered noticeable.
The only thing you can realistically do to improve efficiency on an idler bike drivetrain is take good care of your chain. Immersion wax, which is one of the most efficient lubes, critically stays cleaner and thus more efficient much longer. You could easily see 5w or more in gains this way.
Electronic suspension is just an automatic lockout. The convo should be "does a lockout benefit idler equipped bikes"
As has been said before, lockouts, whether manual or electronically activated, don't offer unique benefits to idler equipped bikes. Think of a hard tail with an idler- it would still pedal noticeably less efficient than a regular hard tail because of chain drag. Nothing to do with rear suspension.
The oneup aluminum wheels are interesting when you view the overall portfolio of products at PON. Based on the initial information, there is no intention to...
The oneup aluminum wheels are interesting when you view the overall portfolio of products at PON. Based on the initial information, there is no intention to offer the rims separately. It makes me wonder if these will be positioned as the slightly more budget option for santacruz oem builds. They weigh more or less the same as a pair of reserve AL|HD wheels. I like the 28f/32r and front/rear specific rim ideas with regards to compliance.
Overall seems like a good option as a lower price point then reserve ALs. I've had good luck with reserve AL|HD wheels and find them just about as durable as ex511s. That is to say that I can get basically 1 full year of usage on an enduro bike that sees park usage or an ebike and then the rear hoop isn't worth saving. I would still opt to spend the extra 100 bucks on reserves at this price point, especially with the reserves had the Deg DF option... but the oneups do seem to shave the entry point for a solid aluminum wheelset that can take a beating down by 100 bucks.
It's really nice to be able to buy good pre-built system style aluminum wheelsets at reasonable prices. 5 years ago, the only way to get there was to DIY build or overpay by about 20% for a DT Swiss system... Despite all of the collective consumer grumbling of prices going up, pricing on wheels has come down considerably in recent times with options that aren't made of cheese.
My guess is they’ll phase out the aluminum Reserve products to position Reserve as the premium product with a premium warranty.
It would be a sneaky way to quietly stop offering a lifetime warranty/replacement on aluminum wheels too.
Are all of you guys really flipping your climb switch multiple times per ride?If we really, really want electronic suspension, why not just a simple solenid...
Are all of you guys really flipping your climb switch multiple times per ride?
If we really, really want electronic suspension, why not just a simple solenid that flips your suspension closed when your power meter hits a configurable threshold, with nothing else? That could be $100.
I typically use the climb switch once per ride. I like to turn it on halfway up the climb when I remember I have it and might as well use it. I tend to turn it off halfway down the descent when I’m puzzling over why my suspension isn’t working.
In a regular bike you have one big bearing for the crank.Using an idler wheel means you have a second mounting point including additional bearings that...
In a regular bike you have one big bearing for the crank. Using an idler wheel means you have a second mounting point including additional bearings that have a certain resistance when spinning. So the resistance from bearings is roughly doubled compared to a non-idler-bike.
I really don't see how an electronic suspension could improve this.
He’s suggesting that the benefits of electronic suspension would offset the negatives of pedalling with a high pivot bike.
People complain about pedalling a high pivot bike. But if other parts of the bike were more efficient, and it brought you to an acceptable level of efficiency of current bikes, would people complain less?
With all these e-bike progressions getting quicker, what the likelihood we see the fast af motor gearbox e-enduro pedelecs/mopeds from major manufacture in the next 9-12 months, as these crazy machines iterate as fast as consumer electronics????
Seems like if you weee planning on buying an e-bike in the next year ish, it would make sense to wait and see what the big players are about to do to preserve market share against Dji.
In a regular bike you have one big bearing for the crank.Using an idler wheel means you have a second mounting point including additional bearings that...
In a regular bike you have one big bearing for the crank. Using an idler wheel means you have a second mounting point including additional bearings that have a certain resistance when spinning. So the resistance from bearings is roughly doubled compared to a non-idler-bike.
I really don't see how an electronic suspension could improve this.
It's not the bearing. It's the chain wrapping onto and off a sprocket. With a small idler, the angle each link has to rotate is very large. And it's happening in the taught part of the chain unlike the rear derailleur.
But I've explained everything in my original long post. Now this debate, besides being offtopic, has serious vibes of trying to explain things to @seanfisseli, so much so I was convinced @Trocko might be an alterego. Looks like I was wrong about that one 🙂
Not saying you’re wrong as I’m not claiming to know all this, but almost every high/mid pivot review talks how pedaling feels a touch slow/draggy. Mostly...
Not saying you’re wrong as I’m not claiming to know all this, but almost every high/mid pivot review talks how pedaling feels a touch slow/draggy. Mostly pointing to the idler. Why is that? All I’m trying to say is it would be an interesting test to see if electronic suspension would help eliminate that feel of being a touch slow/draggy on these bikes that claim to have it. Less kinematic and more real world test. To me, fa or Neo makes more sense and beneficial than a wireless derailleur. The shock would still work if the battery died so doesn’t kill your ride and you don’t have to take your hand off the bars to lock out which we’ve all at least a few times veered off line while doing this. I’m sure a wireless controller would be wanted for most people though
Because they consume 2+ % more of your wattage, and that only gets worse the worse your chain maintenance gets! In addition, the idler produces more noise and potentially a rougher feel when pedaling, which can create a greater than 2% change in a subjective sense. Those losses are from chain link articulation on the highly tensioned top run of the chain:
If you find evidence that electronic suspension will provide 2% gains, then it could offset the idler losses, when compared to a non idler/non electronic suspension bike, but you would still be 2% behind a non idler bike with electronic suspension. As others have repeatedly stated, there are no unique benefits to electronic suspension on idler bikes. Maybe even the opposite, as the electronic suspension benefits bikes with low anti-squat the most.
Your argument is basically like asking if super thin fast rolling XC race tires would offset the drag on a high pivot idler bike. They actually would (and then some) but they could also be put on your non-idler counterpart and you would achieve the same gains, so the idler specific losses remain unavoidable.
In a regular bike you have one big bearing for the crank.Using an idler wheel means you have a second mounting point including additional bearings that...
In a regular bike you have one big bearing for the crank. Using an idler wheel means you have a second mounting point including additional bearings that have a certain resistance when spinning. So the resistance from bearings is roughly doubled compared to a non-idler-bike.
I really don't see how an electronic suspension could improve this.
It's not the bearing. It's the chain wrapping onto and off a sprocket. With a small idler, the angle each link has to rotate is very...
It's not the bearing. It's the chain wrapping onto and off a sprocket. With a small idler, the angle each link has to rotate is very large. And it's happening in the taught part of the chain unlike the rear derailleur.
But I've explained everything in my original long post. Now this debate, besides being offtopic, has serious vibes of trying to explain things to @seanfisseli, so much so I was convinced @Trocko might be an alterego. Looks like I was wrong about that one 🙂
Given a long enough timeline, everything regresses to the mean (crab.)
This meme continues to be a poor interpretation of carcinization/convergent evolution... The crab is not some final form that everything is destined to become. The lesson from carcinization is that unrelated species independently evolved into crab-like bodies. Not that we will one day all be crabs. I think a more fitting example of carcinization in the bike industry would be floating brake arms: a variety of bike manufactures independently arriving at a similar tech to solve the same problem. And at the end of the day, that shit is sitting at the bottom of the ocean
Guys and gals, one less post ride beer will do what a $1k drivetrain can't do. Chill, and go ride your bikes (though maybe not today if you're in the heat zone)
Radial tires from everyone but Kenda, should create some more skus in rubber, but I don’t expect to see any new treads- except for 32 in tires , which will be weird looking. All new e-bike motors will all have gearboxes, freeing the high pivots but also improving the mid and low pivots : should see new framesets sooner than expected
Sea otter, eurobike, and even bespoke already happened so most of the years “hot shit” is already out
Radial tires from everyone but Kenda, should create some more skus in rubber, but I don’t expect to see any new treads- except for 32 in...
Radial tires from everyone but Kenda, should create some more skus in rubber, but I don’t expect to see any new treads- except for 32 in tires , which will be weird looking. All new e-bike motors will all have gearboxes, freeing the high pivots but also improving the mid and low pivots : should see new framesets sooner than expected
Sea otter, eurobike, and even bespoke already happened so most of the years “hot shit” is already out
Radial tires from everyone but Kenda, should create some more skus in rubber, but I don’t expect to see any new treads- except for 32 in...
Radial tires from everyone but Kenda, should create some more skus in rubber, but I don’t expect to see any new treads- except for 32 in tires , which will be weird looking. All new e-bike motors will all have gearboxes, freeing the high pivots but also improving the mid and low pivots : should see new framesets sooner than expected
Sea otter, eurobike, and even bespoke already happened so most of the years “hot shit” is already out
Radial tires from everyone but Kenda, should create some more skus in rubber, but I don’t expect to see any new treads- except for 32 in...
Radial tires from everyone but Kenda, should create some more skus in rubber, but I don’t expect to see any new treads- except for 32 in tires , which will be weird looking. All new e-bike motors will all have gearboxes, freeing the high pivots but also improving the mid and low pivots : should see new framesets sooner than expected
Sea otter, eurobike, and even bespoke already happened so most of the years “hot shit” is already out
""Holding a 760mm wide 31.8mm aluminum Burgtec handlebar. Every Yeti athlete runs 31.8mm bars, keeping inventory a little bit simpler."
I know Burgtec is releasing some new stuff super soon... new Asa bars, new cloud seat, Asa grips (same as odi longneck) ... but are 31.8 Ride Wide DH bars expected? Interesting to see that quote. I figured there is no way every single person on Burgtecs right now are on 35s and a lot don't look like 35s. Hoping for some insight. Would be awesome for more Burgtec 31.8 options
a quote from Pinkbike about Jonty's bike ""Holding a 760mm wide 31.8mm aluminum Burgtec handlebar. Every Yeti athlete runs 31.8mm bars, keeping inventory a little bit simpler." I...
a quote from Pinkbike about Jonty's bike
""Holding a 760mm wide 31.8mm aluminum Burgtec handlebar. Every Yeti athlete runs 31.8mm bars, keeping inventory a little bit simpler."
I know Burgtec is releasing some new stuff super soon... new Asa bars, new cloud seat, Asa grips (same as odi longneck) ... but are 31.8 Ride Wide DH bars expected? Interesting to see that quote. I figured there is no way every single person on Burgtecs right now are on 35s and a lot don't look like 35s. Hoping for some insight. Would be awesome for more Burgtec 31.8 options
I have no insider info... but IME burgtec is up there with renthal in terms of the stiffest handlebars I've ever ridden. My assumption is that they are running 31.8 to try and get back into a more reasonable compliance window. I never thought a handlebar could be so stiff that it would wreck me... but my most recent time on either brands 35mm alloy bars has proven otherwise. Maybe things have changed in the last 3 years as that was the last time I ran either.
a quote from Pinkbike about Jonty's bike ""Holding a 760mm wide 31.8mm aluminum Burgtec handlebar. Every Yeti athlete runs 31.8mm bars, keeping inventory a little bit simpler." I...
a quote from Pinkbike about Jonty's bike
""Holding a 760mm wide 31.8mm aluminum Burgtec handlebar. Every Yeti athlete runs 31.8mm bars, keeping inventory a little bit simpler."
I know Burgtec is releasing some new stuff super soon... new Asa bars, new cloud seat, Asa grips (same as odi longneck) ... but are 31.8 Ride Wide DH bars expected? Interesting to see that quote. I figured there is no way every single person on Burgtecs right now are on 35s and a lot don't look like 35s. Hoping for some insight. Would be awesome for more Burgtec 31.8 options
I have no insider info... but IME burgtec is up there with renthal in terms of the stiffest handlebars I've ever ridden. My assumption is that...
I have no insider info... but IME burgtec is up there with renthal in terms of the stiffest handlebars I've ever ridden. My assumption is that they are running 31.8 to try and get back into a more reasonable compliance window. I never thought a handlebar could be so stiff that it would wreck me... but my most recent time on either brands 35mm alloy bars has proven otherwise. Maybe things have changed in the last 3 years as that was the last time I ran either.
Interesting feedback! Good to know and think about. I know Renthals are notoriously stiff but didn't know that Burgtecs were as well. I guess I am so used to it at this point. My two main bikes and previous several have all had Enve bars and Burgtec bars. They all have definitely been on the stiffer side.
Curious if we will see 31.8s coming then... also I do wish more companies had the option of less sweep like Renthals. I think thats why I dig my Enve Minnaarbar V2s so much. Always a little strange going back to the more sweep with Burgtecs.
It'll be interesting to see when more details are available from launch reviews as to how these differ from Reserve AL HD 30 wheels (also owned...
It'll be interesting to see when more details are available from launch reviews as to how these differ from Reserve AL HD 30 wheels (also owned by PON). Off the top of my head, Reserves are $100 more, come with DT hubs typically, and have lifetime warranty. The Fillmore valves are the same just rebadged. The tape looks to be the same 3M stuff (neon yellow) as what Reserve uses. 30 AL|HD I think was 32 spokes front/rear though instead of 28/32.
How much longer will they keep the lifetime warranty? Seemed like a really bad decision on their part when they announced it. Wonder if their accountants...
How much longer will they keep the lifetime warranty? Seemed like a really bad decision on their part when they announced it. Wonder if their accountants agree.
Could they get rid of lifetime warranty now that Crankbrothers has a lifetime alloy rim competing with them? Somewhere else in this thread someone said something about carbon wheels and how they take out an insurance policy per rim. The economics of this seem to make sense on $650 rims where a small fraction of riders are cracking rims and almost certainly only the rear so thats around 50% of the sold rims ever even with a chance making an insurance claim. Who knows on alloy.
It's great branding that everysingle rim Reserve makes is lifetime. When someone asks me for a wheel recommendation, I say to just get Reserves. Lifetime rims in addition to lifetime frame and bearings make Santa Cruz the only bikes I'd even consider a complete build vs just swapping my parts to a new frame as I usually do.
The oneup aluminum wheels are interesting when you view the overall portfolio of products at PON. Based on the initial information, there is no intention to offer the rims separately. It makes me wonder if these will be positioned as the slightly more budget option for santacruz oem builds. They weigh more or less the same as a pair of reserve AL|HD wheels. I like the 28f/32r and front/rear specific rim ideas with regards to compliance.
Overall seems like a good option as a lower price point then reserve ALs. I've had good luck with reserve AL|HD wheels and find them just about as durable as ex511s. That is to say that I can get basically 1 full year of usage on an enduro bike that sees park usage or an ebike and then the rear hoop isn't worth saving. I would still opt to spend the extra 100 bucks on reserves at this price point, especially with the reserves had the Deg DF option... but the oneups do seem to shave the entry point for a solid aluminum wheelset that can take a beating down by 100 bucks.
It's really nice to be able to buy good pre-built system style aluminum wheelsets at reasonable prices. 5 years ago, the only way to get there was to DIY build or overpay by about 20% for a DT Swiss system... Despite all of the collective consumer grumbling of prices going up, pricing on wheels has come down considerably in recent times with options that aren't made of cheese.
So in essence you're telling me we are witnessing the birth of crab wheels, to go along the new generation of crab Santa Cruz bikes?
Given a long enough timeline, everything regresses to the mean (crab.)
Losses from bearings are extremely minimal and not noticeable. ~0.1w. The losses in an idler bike are coming from forcing the chain to articulate under tension. Most mtb riders probably have somewhere between 5-10+% loss from the drivetrain (chain). Those losses come from making the chain articulate under load via internal chain friction. Forcing that extra loaded articulation I would expect losses to increase by 30-50%. So your typical dirty oiled mtb chain goes from losing 20w to 30w at 200w chill pedaling load and only gets worse from there. 5w increases are generally considered noticeable.
The only thing you can realistically do to improve efficiency on an idler bike drivetrain is take good care of your chain. Immersion wax, which is one of the most efficient lubes, critically stays cleaner and thus more efficient much longer. You could easily see 5w or more in gains this way.
Welcome to the bike industry haha we nerd out trying to solve a problem that realistically is so small or doesn’t even exist. Got to love it
Electronic suspension is just an automatic lockout. The convo should be "does a lockout benefit idler equipped bikes"
As has been said before, lockouts, whether manual or electronically activated, don't offer unique benefits to idler equipped bikes. Think of a hard tail with an idler- it would still pedal noticeably less efficient than a regular hard tail because of chain drag. Nothing to do with rear suspension.
standing while climbing?
motor goes brrrrrrrt
Let's not kid ourselves, everyone in here is over 35 and rides an ebike most of the time. My ebike doesn't care about drive train efficency
No ageism in here! I'm 40, and the bike I ride most is my Singlespeed. So I, in fact, do stand while climbing, a lot.
My guess is they’ll phase out the aluminum Reserve products to position Reserve as the premium product with a premium warranty.
It would be a sneaky way to quietly stop offering a lifetime warranty/replacement on aluminum wheels too.
Yes you can
I typically use the climb switch once per ride. I like to turn it on halfway up the climb when I remember I have it and might as well use it. I tend to turn it off halfway down the descent when I’m puzzling over why my suspension isn’t working.
I suspect I am not in the minority.
He’s suggesting that the benefits of electronic suspension would offset the negatives of pedalling with a high pivot bike.
People complain about pedalling a high pivot bike. But if other parts of the bike were more efficient, and it brought you to an acceptable level of efficiency of current bikes, would people complain less?
With all these e-bike progressions getting quicker, what the likelihood we see the fast af motor gearbox e-enduro pedelecs/mopeds from major manufacture in the next 9-12 months, as these crazy machines iterate as fast as consumer electronics????
Seems like if you weee planning on buying an e-bike in the next year ish, it would make sense to wait and see what the big players are about to do to preserve market share against Dji.
- yes I’ve been reading brines.
It's not the bearing. It's the chain wrapping onto and off a sprocket. With a small idler, the angle each link has to rotate is very large. And it's happening in the taught part of the chain unlike the rear derailleur.
But I've explained everything in my original long post. Now this debate, besides being offtopic, has serious vibes of trying to explain things to @seanfisseli, so much so I was convinced @Trocko might be an alterego. Looks like I was wrong about that one 🙂
Because they consume 2+ % more of your wattage, and that only gets worse the worse your chain maintenance gets! In addition, the idler produces more noise and potentially a rougher feel when pedaling, which can create a greater than 2% change in a subjective sense. Those losses are from chain link articulation on the highly tensioned top run of the chain:
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/tested-how-much-slower-are-idler-bikes-when-climbing.html
If you find evidence that electronic suspension will provide 2% gains, then it could offset the idler losses, when compared to a non idler/non electronic suspension bike, but you would still be 2% behind a non idler bike with electronic suspension. As others have repeatedly stated, there are no unique benefits to electronic suspension on idler bikes. Maybe even the opposite, as the electronic suspension benefits bikes with low anti-squat the most.
Your argument is basically like asking if super thin fast rolling XC race tires would offset the drag on a high pivot idler bike. They actually would (and then some) but they could also be put on your non-idler counterpart and you would achieve the same gains, so the idler specific losses remain unavoidable.
Hey at least I started a new thread for that
Shut the fuck up about drivetrain efficiency. Holy shit. Go find a different thread.
This meme continues to be a poor interpretation of carcinization/convergent evolution... The crab is not some final form that everything is destined to become. The lesson from carcinization is that unrelated species independently evolved into crab-like bodies. Not that we will one day all be crabs. I think a more fitting example of carcinization in the bike industry would be floating brake arms: a variety of bike manufactures independently arriving at a similar tech to solve the same problem. And at the end of the day, that shit is sitting at the bottom of the ocean
Guys and gals, one less post ride beer will do what a $1k drivetrain can't do. Chill, and go ride your bikes (though maybe not today if you're in the heat zone)
Post something new then.
Radial tires from everyone but Kenda, should create some more skus in rubber, but I don’t expect to see any new treads- except for 32 in tires , which will be weird looking.
All new e-bike motors will all have gearboxes, freeing the high pivots but also improving the mid and low pivots : should see new framesets sooner than expected
Sea otter, eurobike, and even bespoke already happened so most of the years “hot shit” is already out
Shimano still won’t release new saint.
Maxxis and Continental make radial tires?
they are about to, but Conti will call it xyzzy or some shit
xynradital
a quote from Pinkbike about Jonty's bike
""Holding a 760mm wide 31.8mm aluminum Burgtec handlebar. Every Yeti athlete runs 31.8mm bars, keeping inventory a little bit simpler."
I know Burgtec is releasing some new stuff super soon... new Asa bars, new cloud seat, Asa grips (same as odi longneck) ... but are 31.8 Ride Wide DH bars expected? Interesting to see that quote. I figured there is no way every single person on Burgtecs right now are on 35s and a lot don't look like 35s. Hoping for some insight. Would be awesome for more Burgtec 31.8 options
I have no insider info... but IME burgtec is up there with renthal in terms of the stiffest handlebars I've ever ridden. My assumption is that they are running 31.8 to try and get back into a more reasonable compliance window. I never thought a handlebar could be so stiff that it would wreck me... but my most recent time on either brands 35mm alloy bars has proven otherwise. Maybe things have changed in the last 3 years as that was the last time I ran either.
Since sarcasm is lost on the younger generation, does this mean I disproved my own hypothesis
Interesting feedback! Good to know and think about. I know Renthals are notoriously stiff but didn't know that Burgtecs were as well. I guess I am so used to it at this point. My two main bikes and previous several have all had Enve bars and Burgtec bars. They all have definitely been on the stiffer side.
Curious if we will see 31.8s coming then... also I do wish more companies had the option of less sweep like Renthals. I think thats why I dig my Enve Minnaarbar V2s so much. Always a little strange going back to the more sweep with Burgtecs.
Curious to see what Burgtec will bring soon
Could they get rid of lifetime warranty now that Crankbrothers has a lifetime alloy rim competing with them? Somewhere else in this thread someone said something about carbon wheels and how they take out an insurance policy per rim. The economics of this seem to make sense on $650 rims where a small fraction of riders are cracking rims and almost certainly only the rear so thats around 50% of the sold rims ever even with a chance making an insurance claim. Who knows on alloy.
It's great branding that every single rim Reserve makes is lifetime. When someone asks me for a wheel recommendation, I say to just get Reserves. Lifetime rims in addition to lifetime frame and bearings make Santa Cruz the only bikes I'd even consider a complete build vs just swapping my parts to a new frame as I usually do.
Something, something brand synergy.
Post a reply to: 2026 MTB Tech Rumors and Innovation - Longer and Slacker