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4/13/2026 9:41am
majorjake wrote:
New Saint and XT flats. https://bike.shimano.com/stories/article/thin-for-the-win.html   
Evil96 wrote:

Not only they look awful, those pins wouldn’t grip on shoes with glue, I saw them the other day and I would give them a penny

I tried out a proto version of these pedals for a few months and they were great.  Grip levels similar (a smidge less) to a deity supervilan, but with a bit easier to re-position your foot.  

Regarding the nomad 7, I'm a bit surprised that the front shock mount doesn't push further into the front triangle like the ht5/b5 do.  I am/was really hoping that the n7 would have a wheel size flip chip.  I don't have a ton of reason to run my nomad 6 with a 29 rear wheel, but I can see the logic of discontinuing the mt2 with how good the hightower 4 is.  I have a hightower 4 myself, and as an enduro race bike, it is plenty fast and way faster at generating speed then the megatower 2 was and of course, it's a great trail bike.  It would just be nice to have the long travel bruiser have a bit of wheel size flexibility.  I don't see much on the frame that suggests that is going to be possible, unless there is a different set of links to achieve that.  Lastly, it does look like the glove box bumps up slightly from the profile of the downtube.  At least in this other photo that was posted of the bike in a stand.

 

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iceman2058 wrote:
It's probably less about the extra forces a dual-crown puts on the frame these days, I think you're right about that. The one important issue to...

It's probably less about the extra forces a dual-crown puts on the frame these days, I think you're right about that. The one important issue to keep in mind though is that the stanchions will bump against the head tube junction area, and if the frame is not built to take the resulting direct force in that particular area you could easily cause an issue in a crash.

Honestly the extra forces are massive. It has less to do with the fork's axle to crown and much to do with the flex you get out of a single crown. A dual crown will transfer (almost) all of that front to back flex to the frame so the difference is far from subtle.

As someone who has broken many frames near the head tube, I won't buy a trail bike that can't take a dual crown.

Also as someone who kills CSUs faster than they come off the factory line, I now run a dual crown on my pedal bike and not looking back.

 

Don't think every bike needs to be ready to go oh so hard, but I have definitely had friends talk about how they wish they the nomad would say yes to a dual crown. Looks like it's going in the other direction.

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4/13/2026 10:38am
MrDuck wrote:
Honestly the extra forces are massive. It has less to do with the fork's axle to crown and much to do with the flex you get...

Honestly the extra forces are massive. It has less to do with the fork's axle to crown and much to do with the flex you get out of a single crown. A dual crown will transfer (almost) all of that front to back flex to the frame so the difference is far from subtle.

As someone who has broken many frames near the head tube, I won't buy a trail bike that can't take a dual crown.

Also as someone who kills CSUs faster than they come off the factory line, I now run a dual crown on my pedal bike and not looking back.

 

Don't think every bike needs to be ready to go oh so hard, but I have definitely had friends talk about how they wish they the nomad would say yes to a dual crown. Looks like it's going in the other direction.

If you draw a free body diagram you’ll find that the forces are the same for a given A2C length. Stiffness doesn’t change forces applied.


Dual crown rated mostly means that it won’t instantly be destroyed if a fork bumper hits the side of the frame.

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I did email santacruz once about putting a dual crown on my nomad 6.  They said (obviously) that it was officially not supported and stated the frame was more then stiff enough for a dual crown fork, but not reinforced for the fork bumpers hitting the side of the head tube.  They did say to officially, un-officially send pictures if i followed through with it, and told me that despite being rad... it would completely void the warranty.  

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MrDuck wrote:
Honestly the extra forces are massive. It has less to do with the fork's axle to crown and much to do with the flex you get...

Honestly the extra forces are massive. It has less to do with the fork's axle to crown and much to do with the flex you get out of a single crown. A dual crown will transfer (almost) all of that front to back flex to the frame so the difference is far from subtle.

As someone who has broken many frames near the head tube, I won't buy a trail bike that can't take a dual crown.

Also as someone who kills CSUs faster than they come off the factory line, I now run a dual crown on my pedal bike and not looking back.

 

Don't think every bike needs to be ready to go oh so hard, but I have definitely had friends talk about how they wish they the nomad would say yes to a dual crown. Looks like it's going in the other direction.

Nobble wrote:
If you draw a free body diagram you’ll find that the forces are the same for a given A2C length. Stiffness doesn’t change forces applied.Dual crown...

If you draw a free body diagram you’ll find that the forces are the same for a given A2C length. Stiffness doesn’t change forces applied.


Dual crown rated mostly means that it won’t instantly be destroyed if a fork bumper hits the side of the frame.

In static cases that is true, in dynamic cases the stiffness influences the peak force that is transmitted.

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4/13/2026 10:51am Edited Date/Time 4/13/2026 10:52am
MrDuck wrote:
Honestly the extra forces are massive. It has less to do with the fork's axle to crown and much to do with the flex you get...

Honestly the extra forces are massive. It has less to do with the fork's axle to crown and much to do with the flex you get out of a single crown. A dual crown will transfer (almost) all of that front to back flex to the frame so the difference is far from subtle.

As someone who has broken many frames near the head tube, I won't buy a trail bike that can't take a dual crown.

Also as someone who kills CSUs faster than they come off the factory line, I now run a dual crown on my pedal bike and not looking back.

 

Don't think every bike needs to be ready to go oh so hard, but I have definitely had friends talk about how they wish they the nomad would say yes to a dual crown. Looks like it's going in the other direction.

Nobble wrote:
If you draw a free body diagram you’ll find that the forces are the same for a given A2C length. Stiffness doesn’t change forces applied.Dual crown...

If you draw a free body diagram you’ll find that the forces are the same for a given A2C length. Stiffness doesn’t change forces applied.


Dual crown rated mostly means that it won’t instantly be destroyed if a fork bumper hits the side of the frame.

hardbash wrote:

In static cases that is true, in dynamic cases the stiffness influences the peak force that is transmitted.

For high frequency loads it can.


AFAIK Hucking to flat or nose casing a jump would be a low frequency load and it would be reasonable to approximate it as static and assume that full force is transferred.

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majorjake wrote:
New Saint and XT flats. https://bike.shimano.com/stories/article/thin-for-the-win.html   
Evil96 wrote:

Not only they look awful, those pins wouldn’t grip on shoes with glue, I saw them the other day and I would give them a penny

ebruner wrote:
I tried out a proto version of these pedals for a few months and they were great.  Grip levels similar (a smidge less) to a deity...

I tried out a proto version of these pedals for a few months and they were great.  Grip levels similar (a smidge less) to a deity supervilan, but with a bit easier to re-position your foot.  

Regarding the nomad 7, I'm a bit surprised that the front shock mount doesn't push further into the front triangle like the ht5/b5 do.  I am/was really hoping that the n7 would have a wheel size flip chip.  I don't have a ton of reason to run my nomad 6 with a 29 rear wheel, but I can see the logic of discontinuing the mt2 with how good the hightower 4 is.  I have a hightower 4 myself, and as an enduro race bike, it is plenty fast and way faster at generating speed then the megatower 2 was and of course, it's a great trail bike.  It would just be nice to have the long travel bruiser have a bit of wheel size flexibility.  I don't see much on the frame that suggests that is going to be possible, unless there is a different set of links to achieve that.  Lastly, it does look like the glove box bumps up slightly from the profile of the downtube.  At least in this other photo that was posted of the bike in a stand.

 

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I honestly can’t see it to be true if the pins are the same as the stock ones

I put them on a bike and the foot could spin easily like I had no pins

Even my beaten up rounded pins dmr vaults had way more grip, the pins edge are rounded and polished, that’s just plain stupid if the goal is to dig and grip 


 

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4/13/2026 12:03pm
majorjake wrote:
New Saint and XT flats. https://bike.shimano.com/stories/article/thin-for-the-win.html   
Evil96 wrote:

Not only they look awful, those pins wouldn’t grip on shoes with glue, I saw them the other day and I would give them a penny

ebruner wrote:
I tried out a proto version of these pedals for a few months and they were great.  Grip levels similar (a smidge less) to a deity...

I tried out a proto version of these pedals for a few months and they were great.  Grip levels similar (a smidge less) to a deity supervilan, but with a bit easier to re-position your foot.  

Regarding the nomad 7, I'm a bit surprised that the front shock mount doesn't push further into the front triangle like the ht5/b5 do.  I am/was really hoping that the n7 would have a wheel size flip chip.  I don't have a ton of reason to run my nomad 6 with a 29 rear wheel, but I can see the logic of discontinuing the mt2 with how good the hightower 4 is.  I have a hightower 4 myself, and as an enduro race bike, it is plenty fast and way faster at generating speed then the megatower 2 was and of course, it's a great trail bike.  It would just be nice to have the long travel bruiser have a bit of wheel size flexibility.  I don't see much on the frame that suggests that is going to be possible, unless there is a different set of links to achieve that.  Lastly, it does look like the glove box bumps up slightly from the profile of the downtube.  At least in this other photo that was posted of the bike in a stand.

 

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The glovebox on the Stigmata has the same "bump". I'd theorize it gives more room inside, since the mechanism for the door would fight for space with the frame bag if you packed it tight on my MT V2.

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I'm pretty bummed if the Megatower is going away. A friend said they think it isn't, new one is launching soon but I haven't seen anything to indicate that.

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4/13/2026 12:11pm
ebruner wrote:
I did email santacruz once about putting a dual crown on my nomad 6.  They said (obviously) that it was officially not supported and stated the...

I did email santacruz once about putting a dual crown on my nomad 6.  They said (obviously) that it was officially not supported and stated the frame was more then stiff enough for a dual crown fork, but not reinforced for the fork bumpers hitting the side of the head tube.  They did say to officially, un-officially send pictures if i followed through with it, and told me that despite being rad... it would completely void the warranty.  

Just don’t crash then 🤪

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4/13/2026 12:20pm
MrDuck wrote:
Honestly the extra forces are massive. It has less to do with the fork's axle to crown and much to do with the flex you get...

Honestly the extra forces are massive. It has less to do with the fork's axle to crown and much to do with the flex you get out of a single crown. A dual crown will transfer (almost) all of that front to back flex to the frame so the difference is far from subtle.

As someone who has broken many frames near the head tube, I won't buy a trail bike that can't take a dual crown.

Also as someone who kills CSUs faster than they come off the factory line, I now run a dual crown on my pedal bike and not looking back.

 

Don't think every bike needs to be ready to go oh so hard, but I have definitely had friends talk about how they wish they the nomad would say yes to a dual crown. Looks like it's going in the other direction.

Nobble wrote:
If you draw a free body diagram you’ll find that the forces are the same for a given A2C length. Stiffness doesn’t change forces applied.Dual crown...

If you draw a free body diagram you’ll find that the forces are the same for a given A2C length. Stiffness doesn’t change forces applied.


Dual crown rated mostly means that it won’t instantly be destroyed if a fork bumper hits the side of the frame.

hardbash wrote:

In static cases that is true, in dynamic cases the stiffness influences the peak force that is transmitted.

Thank you. This was my thought, too.

If you drive a car without a crumple zone into a brick wall at high speed, even though the same total force is being applied to the wall and to your body, your body and the wall will notice a difference compared to hitting the same wall at the same speed in a car with a crumple zone.

In this analogy, the dual crown fork is the car w/o a crumple zone, transmitting all the force immediately to the headtube area, and the single crown fork is the car w/ a crumple zone, stretching out the time and peak dynamic forces being transmitted to the headtube area.

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4/13/2026 12:25pm
Nobble wrote:
If you draw a free body diagram you’ll find that the forces are the same for a given A2C length. Stiffness doesn’t change forces applied.Dual crown...

If you draw a free body diagram you’ll find that the forces are the same for a given A2C length. Stiffness doesn’t change forces applied.


Dual crown rated mostly means that it won’t instantly be destroyed if a fork bumper hits the side of the frame.

hardbash wrote:

In static cases that is true, in dynamic cases the stiffness influences the peak force that is transmitted.

Nobble wrote:
For high frequency loads it can.AFAIK Hucking to flat or nose casing a jump would be a low frequency load and it would be reasonable to...

For high frequency loads it can.


AFAIK Hucking to flat or nose casing a jump would be a low frequency load and it would be reasonable to approximate it as static and assume that full force is transferred.

I think hucking to flat or nose casing a jump are both examples of extremely high frequency loads. A low frequency load would be a frame and fork bolted into a hydraulic test rig in a lab, where the force is cranked up slowly and consistently.
 

Think about shaft speeds on a damper. Either one of those impacts would be considered a very high frequency (aka high shaft speed) impact, even if they don't literally happen over and over again at a high frequency. Just because I'm not hucking to flat 5 times per second doesn't mean I'm not applying the force at the same rate as if I was hucking to flat 5 times per second.

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I feel like there has got to be a better thread for this convo…

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4/13/2026 12:44pm

The funny thing is... the garbage can is still the most important tool for cushcore install....

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sspomer wrote:
Zuestman wrote:

The funny thing is... the garbage can is still the most important tool for cushcore install....

queue @CascadeComponents  for blingy aftermarket trash can upgrades?

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that could have changed my life on OG Enve wheels, cushcore when they literally first came out, and wire bead DH Maxxis.... but here I am. somehow still alive after that one.

 

Thank God reserves, CC, and Maxxis DH can be done with just hands now

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4/13/2026 12:48pm
Kusa wrote:
It is me or the glovebox door is positioned a bit out of the frame perhaps creating a bigger opening? Or the down tube is slimmer...

It is me or the glovebox door is positioned a bit out of the frame perhaps creating a bigger opening? Or the down tube is slimmer but there is added room to make the glovebox usable. 


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FullSend wrote:
I really, really hope that's just a weird optical illusion and the glovebox door doesn't actually protrude out of the frame like that...Anyways, the geometry of...

I really, really hope that's just a weird optical illusion and the glovebox door doesn't actually protrude out of the frame like that...

Anyways, the geometry of the new Nomad is somewhat on the conservative side, as per usual with Santa. Size large has 475mm of reach, 643mm of stack, a 77° STA, a 64° HTA and 443mm chainstays. That's for the "high" setting. Technically, there also is a "low" setting, but in truth it doesn't really do anything (- changes the HTA by 0.3° and changes the leverage curve by the tiniest amount).

So glad I bought a new Frameworks Enduro frame instead not that I needed any more confirmation than the first ride though.  If those geometry numbers are correct then that's pretty sad.  

Funny though if you added 20mm of stack and a 10mm rear flip chip for rear center length it would be instantly relevant.  Ah well.  

 

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4/13/2026 1:28pm Edited Date/Time 4/13/2026 1:33pm
Kusa wrote:
It is me or the glovebox door is positioned a bit out of the frame perhaps creating a bigger opening? Or the down tube is slimmer...

It is me or the glovebox door is positioned a bit out of the frame perhaps creating a bigger opening? Or the down tube is slimmer but there is added room to make the glovebox usable. 


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Looks different for sure

Glovebox is all new on the nomad and a lot nicer. It isn't hard plastic anymore so should seal a bit better.

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4/13/2026 1:48pm
ebruner wrote:
I did email santacruz once about putting a dual crown on my nomad 6.  They said (obviously) that it was officially not supported and stated the...

I did email santacruz once about putting a dual crown on my nomad 6.  They said (obviously) that it was officially not supported and stated the frame was more then stiff enough for a dual crown fork, but not reinforced for the fork bumpers hitting the side of the head tube.  They did say to officially, un-officially send pictures if i followed through with it, and told me that despite being rad... it would completely void the warranty.  

I seem to remember the spy shot of Nina on what everyone speculated was a proto Nomad had a dual crown. Maybe they'll hop on the trend of releasing an alloy "DH" version that comes specced with a dual crown?

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4/13/2026 2:44pm
iceman2058 wrote:
It's probably less about the extra forces a dual-crown puts on the frame these days, I think you're right about that. The one important issue to...

It's probably less about the extra forces a dual-crown puts on the frame these days, I think you're right about that. The one important issue to keep in mind though is that the stanchions will bump against the head tube junction area, and if the frame is not built to take the resulting direct force in that particular area you could easily cause an issue in a crash.

MrDuck wrote:
Honestly the extra forces are massive. It has less to do with the fork's axle to crown and much to do with the flex you get...

Honestly the extra forces are massive. It has less to do with the fork's axle to crown and much to do with the flex you get out of a single crown. A dual crown will transfer (almost) all of that front to back flex to the frame so the difference is far from subtle.

As someone who has broken many frames near the head tube, I won't buy a trail bike that can't take a dual crown.

Also as someone who kills CSUs faster than they come off the factory line, I now run a dual crown on my pedal bike and not looking back.

 

Don't think every bike needs to be ready to go oh so hard, but I have definitely had friends talk about how they wish they the nomad would say yes to a dual crown. Looks like it's going in the other direction.

What DC do you run?  The MRP one? 

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loris_74 wrote:
I found a better rendering on Commencal website :

I found a better rendering on Commencal website :

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That's one ugly rocker link

I've got to say, Horst link bikes that have the shock mounted to the seat stay just feel a bit dead to me, mounting it to the rocker or link just feels a lot more lively. No idea why

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What DC do you run?  The MRP one? 

Nahh 35mm boxxer.

Happy to get into details in some suspension thread,let's leave this one at being content with seeing more Enduro adjacent frames offer that optionSmile

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4/13/2026 5:56pm
sspomer wrote:

queue @CascadeComponents  for blingy aftermarket trash can upgrades?

Big Bird wrote:

Billet trash can!

Nah, that’s small potatoes. This is clearly a 3D printed titanium scenario. 

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4/13/2026 7:44pm
sspomer wrote:
Zuestman wrote:

The funny thing is... the garbage can is still the most important tool for cushcore install....

sspomer wrote:

queue @CascadeComponents  for blingy aftermarket trash can upgrades?

Or Freedom coast

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4/13/2026 8:38pm Edited Date/Time 4/13/2026 8:38pm

I want to know who keeps downvoting me! Someone is a hater. 🤔😛

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sspomer wrote:
Zuestman wrote:

The funny thing is... the garbage can is still the most important tool for cushcore install....

sspomer wrote:

queue @CascadeComponents  for blingy aftermarket trash can upgrades?

I've always though Cushcore was missing a good April 1 jab with green trash cans. Or honestly as a real promo most shops would take a green trash bin. #realorfake

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who failed ? The engineer who designed the caps for hexagon bolts? Or the fitter who just crammed in some Allen screws? 

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