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I found the switch to VPP a bit strange for Rocky. No VPP legacy, hard to do VPP ebikes, no other bikes in the catalog with it.
Race bikes are typically meant to showcase the viability of a given technology, and then sell that technology via more practical models like trail bikes (ebikes i guess now) that use it.
From what I have heard, Slayer is turning into an 200mm park bike with a silhouette like the current altitude. Wish they would have revived the Flatline namesake for it.
Looks nice... I like the numbers..
My 2020 Norco Optic looking great still with all these new short travel bikes...
It is refreshing to see a short travel bike without flex stays. This would be top of my list of I was looking for a full suspension down country bike.
Oh man oh man I want to see the weight on that reya. 450mm CS on a truly light bike would be insanely advantageous for tech climbing and huge backcountry missions.
That said, quite bummed they chose to make the BB so low. Really should not be a thing on a bike in this class meant to shine on climbs. Gonna be offsetting some of the benefit of the long chain stays on tech climbs. Sad.
Wonder why Forbidden has done away with the adjustable stays? The ebike and now this haven’t bothered with them.
Shame, I thought it was a solid idea.
Loving the long stays, but ….
Waiting on that XL reach number…..
It doesn't seem that low. New Spur has 39mm drop in high and 47 in low. Epic 8 evo also has it around 40 in low. Maybe they also spec 165mm cranks because they are focused on the downhill vs just being a quick climbing xc bike.
At least for this bike, probably want to keep the bike light, so no adjustable chainstay.
My guess would be that UDH hanger doesn't allow for adjustability unless you do what RAWW does and have the entirely different rear dropout. Plus they were one of the first brands to really commit to size specific chainstays, so they probably decided there wasn't enough people who would buy and swap dropouts, to warrant the investment in developing, producing and stocking those parts.
That's what they have on the Dreanought and the Supernought.
Love the numbers on the Reya. Going to have to put my Epic 8 Evo up for sale I think!
This and a head tube that will take reach adjust cups for tapered forks are high up on my top wants for any frame. The ability to swap between MX and 29 can also give some of the effect of adjustable chainstays.
Looks Solid. Having ridden the V1 Spur for the last few years, I'm not crazy about flex stays. Since Evil isn't releasing a short travel bike this year, the Reya just moved to the top of my list for a new frame.
Damn, that looks sharp!
Curious on what pricing will be. Build prices are getting out of hand from other brands but I'm hoping Forbidden will be reasonable
I can’t help but wonder about that seat tube angle. Looking at the frame silhouette I can’t imagine that it’s the effective STA. At a 475 reach that would leave a super long effective top tube
Apparently the effective is 77 degrees.
It’s not vpp and they used that dual link layout a decade ago.
It‘s just one mm off but shouldn‘t front center plus rear center equal the wheelbase?
Has anybody heard anything about a new mezzer and/or that new dorado prototype that was spotted last year? I remember hearing manitou's fork dynos were very busy a while back when they started liquidating their current mezzers for so cheap. The talk about a coil prototype makes me curious what they're up to.
Weight is probably the main reason on this bike. And personally I think it makes sense, a lot of short travel bike coming out now with frames weighing as much or more than 150mm bikes like Stumpjumper
Great question. You'd think so, but no. Because the BB sits below the axles, and because FC and RC are measured from the center of the hub axle to the center of the BB, the FC and RC don't form a straight line. They form a slight "V" as they both dip down to the BB. Then you consult Pythagorus to get the exact difference in length.
[Editor's note: This is wrong. See @kperras post below for full and correct explanation]
Exactly. Also throwing these numbers in https://madscientistmtb.com/bike-geometry-compare/ you can figure out the rest and check the math.
Chainstay length is 450.96 for that BB drop and RC length. Effective TT: 619.29, BB height 328
Fun fact: I bought their Heathen and had to use the same calculator to figure out chainstay length so I can cut the t-type chain properly. Confirmed with a tape measure of course. Even their support couldn't get me the right number (which took so long to get back to my initial questions that I bought and built the bike) I digress.
It's actually dumber than that. To make the numbers work: "Front center" is measured from BB to front axle as you've depicted, but "rear center" is just used interchangeably with "chainstay length" and is the horizontal measurement from BB to rear axle.
Front and rear center are horizontal measurements. Doing the math it’s a 2-3mm difference if they were measured the way you suggest
Based on your helpful diagram it looks like Forbidden just uses the horizontal measurements (449+796.9 = 1245.9 or rounded up to 1246) to determine wheelbase, even though they don't use the horizontal measurement for front center.
Unfortunately that is not correct. RC, FC, and WB are all horizontal measurements. CSL is the point to point measurement from center of BB to rear axle, and there's no name (or need) for the equivalent version at the front.
Thanks @kperras, I learned several somethings today!
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