Love how the seat is tilted forward on the new Evil, like “yes guys this bike finally has a good seat tube angle”Pls don’t be Supa...
Love how the seat is tilted forward on the new Evil, like “yes guys this bike finally has a good seat tube angle”
Pls don’t be Supa Boost™️ The fastest time of the day was just set at MSA on a bike that’s 148. 2nd and 3rd in elite men were also on 148 bikes.
My general rule of thumb is point it at the stem (unless you have chopper bars). Relative bar to seat height will to some degree dictate the upper body position and thus dictate pelvis roll thus in turn drive the seat angle.
Anyone know the release date for new Evil bikes? Also made a comparison photos against the old model. Seat tube insertion looks a lot better on...
Anyone know the release date for new Evil bikes? Also made a comparison photos against the old model. Seat tube insertion looks a lot better on the updated model.
Anyone else has some more leaks/pics or is it not kosher to ask and post about it? Did some hero save that (now set to private) review of the Offering video?
I've been wondering what the next big thing is going to be for the industry to try and hype us up on... Will dual purpose Enduro/...
I've been wondering what the next big thing is going to be for the industry to try and hype us up on... Will dual purpose Enduro/ DH bikes be it? Go from Enduro pedal friendly bike to DH plow machine by simply switching out most of the major components on your bike..
I suspect we'll see more of the one frame Enduro/ DH bike moving forward. Orbea proved the concept can work, and it spreads the development cost over...
I suspect we'll see more of the one frame Enduro/ DH bike moving forward.
Orbea proved the concept can work, and it spreads the development cost over a larger amount of bikes.
It's better for the manufacturers.
Riders like the concept of being able to swap out the fork and shock for the once or twice a year park day, even if most riders never do it. It's the same as flip chips, most riders find the setting they like and stay there. I'd bet a good bit of riders never change the flip chip from the out of the box settings, but still find the idea attractive and a selling point.
Yeah I think it is a selling point that nobody ever really uses. I don't think more than a handfull of people across the world will be converting their rallon from enduro rig to a DH rig for a park weekend on an even semi-regular basis. Are people really going to get the different links, shock, fork, and maybe wheels/tires just for a couple of park weekends a year? And if you're actually going to a park more often I'd say its easier to just own a decent DH bike. IDK man.
I'd say it's a way bigger win for manufacturers to just be able to SAY that you can convert your bike as a selling point while also not having to have a full dedicated DH bike to develop every few years.
I don’t think Orbea has ever suggested switching between DH and enduro. The even list the bikes separately on their site.
“You know your riding style best, which is why there are plenty of options to suit you when setting up Rallon during the purchasing process.” But they do hint at “switching styles later”, but I’d say that doesn’t sound like they are suggesting swapping for a weekend.
But why would you switch for a weekend? They will be insanely capable bikes (as are any new plow super enduro). If you ride it everyday for a year are you really yearning for a DH bike for that one park weekend? Pro tip, you’re super enduro will absolutely destroy DH trails.
I don’t think Orbea has ever suggested switching between DH and enduro. The even list the bikes separately on their site. “You know your riding style best...
I don’t think Orbea has ever suggested switching between DH and enduro. The even list the bikes separately on their site.
“You know your riding style best, which is why there are plenty of options to suit you when setting up Rallon during the purchasing process.” But they do hint at “switching styles later”, but I’d say that doesn’t sound like they are suggesting swapping for a weekend.
But why would you switch for a weekend? They will be insanely capable bikes (as are any new plow super enduro). If you ride it everyday for a year are you really yearning for a DH bike for that one park weekend? Pro tip, you’re super enduro will absolutely destroy DH trails.
Respectfully, it's more accurate to say "Pro tip, your super enduro will absolutely be acceptable for DH trails." No matter how good long travel single crown bikes are these days, there's still no replacement for displacement.
I don’t think Orbea has ever suggested switching between DH and enduro. The even list the bikes separately on their site. “You know your riding style best...
I don’t think Orbea has ever suggested switching between DH and enduro. The even list the bikes separately on their site.
“You know your riding style best, which is why there are plenty of options to suit you when setting up Rallon during the purchasing process.” But they do hint at “switching styles later”, but I’d say that doesn’t sound like they are suggesting swapping for a weekend.
But why would you switch for a weekend? They will be insanely capable bikes (as are any new plow super enduro). If you ride it everyday for a year are you really yearning for a DH bike for that one park weekend? Pro tip, you’re super enduro will absolutely destroy DH trails.
Respectfully, it's more accurate to say "Pro tip, your super enduro will absolutely be acceptable for DH trails." No matter how good long travel single crown...
Respectfully, it's more accurate to say "Pro tip, your super enduro will absolutely be acceptable for DH trails." No matter how good long travel single crown bikes are these days, there's still no replacement for displacement.
bingo. nothing can replace a DH bike. they are just that good
I don’t think Orbea has ever suggested switching between DH and enduro. The even list the bikes separately on their site. “You know your riding style best...
I don’t think Orbea has ever suggested switching between DH and enduro. The even list the bikes separately on their site.
“You know your riding style best, which is why there are plenty of options to suit you when setting up Rallon during the purchasing process.” But they do hint at “switching styles later”, but I’d say that doesn’t sound like they are suggesting swapping for a weekend.
But why would you switch for a weekend? They will be insanely capable bikes (as are any new plow super enduro). If you ride it everyday for a year are you really yearning for a DH bike for that one park weekend? Pro tip, you’re super enduro will absolutely destroy DH trails.
Respectfully, it's more accurate to say "Pro tip, your super enduro will absolutely be acceptable for DH trails." No matter how good long travel single crown...
Respectfully, it's more accurate to say "Pro tip, your super enduro will absolutely be acceptable for DH trails." No matter how good long travel single crown bikes are these days, there's still no replacement for displacement.
Respectfully, it's more accurate to say "Pro tip, your super enduro will absolutely be acceptable for DH trails." No matter how good long travel single crown...
Respectfully, it's more accurate to say "Pro tip, your super enduro will absolutely be acceptable for DH trails." No matter how good long travel single crown bikes are these days, there's still no replacement for displacement.
I've been wondering what the next big thing is going to be for the industry to try and hype us up on... Will dual purpose Enduro/...
I've been wondering what the next big thing is going to be for the industry to try and hype us up on... Will dual purpose Enduro/ DH bikes be it? Go from Enduro pedal friendly bike to DH plow machine by simply switching out most of the major components on your bike..
I suspect we'll see more of the one frame Enduro/ DH bike moving forward. Orbea proved the concept can work, and it spreads the development cost over...
I suspect we'll see more of the one frame Enduro/ DH bike moving forward.
Orbea proved the concept can work, and it spreads the development cost over a larger amount of bikes.
It's better for the manufacturers.
Riders like the concept of being able to swap out the fork and shock for the once or twice a year park day, even if most riders never do it. It's the same as flip chips, most riders find the setting they like and stay there. I'd bet a good bit of riders never change the flip chip from the out of the box settings, but still find the idea attractive and a selling point.
Yeah I think it is a selling point that nobody ever really uses. I don't think more than a handfull of people across the world will...
Yeah I think it is a selling point that nobody ever really uses. I don't think more than a handfull of people across the world will be converting their rallon from enduro rig to a DH rig for a park weekend on an even semi-regular basis. Are people really going to get the different links, shock, fork, and maybe wheels/tires just for a couple of park weekends a year? And if you're actually going to a park more often I'd say its easier to just own a decent DH bike. IDK man.
I'd say it's a way bigger win for manufacturers to just be able to SAY that you can convert your bike as a selling point while also not having to have a full dedicated DH bike to develop every few years.
The only really practical case I could see for swapping back and forth would be if you mostly raced dh and rode park in the summer and if you lived somewhere where you could train and do more pedaling in the off season. Sea to sky kind of situation, were you ride Whistler park all summer, but then ride Squamish and North Van all winter.
But I'm not sure anyone will be swapping back and forth on a regular basis.
The only really practical case I could see for swapping back and forth would be if you mostly raced dh and rode park in the summer...
The only really practical case I could see for swapping back and forth would be if you mostly raced dh and rode park in the summer and if you lived somewhere where you could train and do more pedaling in the off season. Sea to sky kind of situation, were you ride Whistler park all summer, but then ride Squamish and North Van all winter.
But I'm not sure anyone will be swapping back and forth on a regular basis.
I do like the idea of having the option to mix "enduro" front and "DH" rear. For example a single crown DH Build or a dual crown enduro build. Nothing revolutionary but people love to tinker around with their bikes, myself included.
The only really practical case I could see for swapping back and forth would be if you mostly raced dh and rode park in the summer...
The only really practical case I could see for swapping back and forth would be if you mostly raced dh and rode park in the summer and if you lived somewhere where you could train and do more pedaling in the off season. Sea to sky kind of situation, were you ride Whistler park all summer, but then ride Squamish and North Van all winter.
But I'm not sure anyone will be swapping back and forth on a regular basis.
I do like the idea of having the option to mix "enduro" front and "DH" rear. For example a single crown DH Build or a dual...
I do like the idea of having the option to mix "enduro" front and "DH" rear. For example a single crown DH Build or a dual crown enduro build. Nothing revolutionary but people love to tinker around with their bikes, myself included.
I think it's the people who like to tinker who will take advantage of bikes like the Orbea.. DH bike with a dropper and 12 speed to be able to pedal better..
idk if this has been spotted elsewhere already and I missed it, but it looks like Kona has a new dh bike? From the new Caleb Holonko edit, thought it might just be a process 153 but the seattube here definitely isn't anything on their site. Looks sick with the og kona logo
idk if this has been spotted elsewhere already and I missed it, but it looks like Kona has a new dh bike? From the new Caleb...
idk if this has been spotted elsewhere already and I missed it, but it looks like Kona has a new dh bike? From the new Caleb Holonko edit, thought it might just be a process 153 but the seattube here definitely isn't anything on their site. Looks sick with the og kona logo
I've been wondering what the next big thing is going to be for the industry to try and hype us up on... Will dual purpose Enduro/...
I've been wondering what the next big thing is going to be for the industry to try and hype us up on... Will dual purpose Enduro/ DH bikes be it? Go from Enduro pedal friendly bike to DH plow machine by simply switching out most of the major components on your bike..
Just keep the dual crowns on tbf. The major thing about DH bikes isn't that they necessarily pedal bad, it's that they don't accommodate dropper posts...
Just keep the dual crowns on tbf. The major thing about DH bikes isn't that they necessarily pedal bad, it's that they don't accommodate dropper posts a lot of the time. Combine a regular dh bike with the ability to run a dropper and some ever so slightly more conservative geo, then you're on to a winner. People won't care that it weighs a ton when they're riding the bike equivalent of a shire horse.
idk if this has been spotted elsewhere already and I missed it, but it looks like Kona has a new dh bike? From the new Caleb...
idk if this has been spotted elsewhere already and I missed it, but it looks like Kona has a new dh bike? From the new Caleb Holonko edit, thought it might just be a process 153 but the seattube here definitely isn't anything on their site. Looks sick with the og kona logo
The Entourage was one of the funnest bikes I ever owned. The "mini-DH" bikes of that era, like the TR250, were so rad. Probably too niche to make it back into bike brand lineups, however, especially in these times and with many in this demographic moving to ebikes.
idk if this has been spotted elsewhere already and I missed it, but it looks like Kona has a new dh bike? From the new Caleb...
idk if this has been spotted elsewhere already and I missed it, but it looks like Kona has a new dh bike? From the new Caleb Holonko edit, thought it might just be a process 153 but the seattube here definitely isn't anything on their site. Looks sick with the og kona logo
Pretty sure that just a circa 2021 alloy Operator that he custom painted with old school Kona logo.
For sure a 27.5 operator. It’s a shame they don’t sell that bike anymore. No frills aluminum crab. Basically the same concept as the bottle rocket everybody is hyped on.
idk if this has been spotted elsewhere already and I missed it, but it looks like Kona has a new dh bike? From the new Caleb...
idk if this has been spotted elsewhere already and I missed it, but it looks like Kona has a new dh bike? From the new Caleb Holonko edit, thought it might just be a process 153 but the seattube here definitely isn't anything on their site. Looks sick with the og kona logo
For sure a 27.5 operator. It’s a shame they don’t sell that bike anymore. No frills aluminum crab. Basically the same concept as the bottle rocket...
For sure a 27.5 operator. It’s a shame they don’t sell that bike anymore. No frills aluminum crab. Basically the same concept as the bottle rocket everybody is hyped on.
For sure a 27.5 operator. It’s a shame they don’t sell that bike anymore. No frills aluminum crab. Basically the same concept as the bottle rocket...
For sure a 27.5 operator. It’s a shame they don’t sell that bike anymore. No frills aluminum crab. Basically the same concept as the bottle rocket everybody is hyped on.
Not sure if these guys have come up yet, but I just got to pop around on one. The DJI motor certainly blew my hair back a bit more than I expected, but the bike itself felt extremely dialed.
Not sure if these guys have come up yet, but I just got to pop around on one. The DJI motor certainly blew my hair back...
Not sure if these guys have come up yet, but I just got to pop around on one. The DJI motor certainly blew my hair back a bit more than I expected, but the bike itself felt extremely dialed.
Not sure if these guys have come up yet, but I just got to pop around on one. The DJI motor certainly blew my hair back...
Not sure if these guys have come up yet, but I just got to pop around on one. The DJI motor certainly blew my hair back a bit more than I expected, but the bike itself felt extremely dialed.
Not sure if these guys have come up yet, but I just got to pop around on one. The DJI motor certainly blew my hair back...
Not sure if these guys have come up yet, but I just got to pop around on one. The DJI motor certainly blew my hair back a bit more than I expected, but the bike itself felt extremely dialed.
For sure a 27.5 operator. It’s a shame they don’t sell that bike anymore. No frills aluminum crab. Basically the same concept as the bottle rocket...
For sure a 27.5 operator. It’s a shame they don’t sell that bike anymore. No frills aluminum crab. Basically the same concept as the bottle rocket everybody is hyped on.
My general rule of thumb is point it at the stem (unless you have chopper bars). Relative bar to seat height will to some degree dictate the upper body position and thus dictate pelvis roll thus in turn drive the seat angle.
Anyone else has some more leaks/pics or is it not kosher to ask and post about it? Did some hero save that (now set to private) review of the Offering video?
I guess Ill mention it since no one else has. The new Evil frame has an internal frame storage. You can see it in the comparison pics
Yeah I think it is a selling point that nobody ever really uses. I don't think more than a handfull of people across the world will be converting their rallon from enduro rig to a DH rig for a park weekend on an even semi-regular basis. Are people really going to get the different links, shock, fork, and maybe wheels/tires just for a couple of park weekends a year? And if you're actually going to a park more often I'd say its easier to just own a decent DH bike. IDK man.
I'd say it's a way bigger win for manufacturers to just be able to SAY that you can convert your bike as a selling point while also not having to have a full dedicated DH bike to develop every few years.
I don’t think Orbea has ever suggested switching between DH and enduro. The even list the bikes separately on their site.
“You know your riding style best, which is why there are plenty of options to suit you when setting up Rallon during the purchasing process.”
But they do hint at “switching styles later”, but I’d say that doesn’t sound like they are suggesting swapping for a weekend.
But why would you switch for a weekend? They will be insanely capable bikes (as are any new plow super enduro). If you ride it everyday for a year are you really yearning for a DH bike for that one park weekend? Pro tip, you’re super enduro will absolutely destroy DH trails.
Respectfully, it's more accurate to say "Pro tip, your super enduro will absolutely be acceptable for DH trails." No matter how good long travel single crown bikes are these days, there's still no replacement for displacement.
bingo. nothing can replace a DH bike. they are just that good
Coming off a Spire with a 180mm Cascade link and a 190mm Fox 40, my Supreme V5 still crushes it.
Surely though it's as much around having multiple options from one frame as user "conversions"?
Much like Trek with the new Fuel Ex.
More economical from their perspective?
Using a single front triangle, seat stays, and chain stays for essentially 3 models is definitely more economical for Trek..
Santa Cruz has been sharing some front triangles as of late..
Not having to make a new mold definitely saves the company money and allows them to spread the costs of those molds over a greater number of bikes..
The new Demo is launching soon...ish. Sounds like a couple other launches to go along with it.
The only really practical case I could see for swapping back and forth would be if you mostly raced dh and rode park in the summer and if you lived somewhere where you could train and do more pedaling in the off season. Sea to sky kind of situation, were you ride Whistler park all summer, but then ride Squamish and North Van all winter.
But I'm not sure anyone will be swapping back and forth on a regular basis.
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I do like the idea of having the option to mix "enduro" front and "DH" rear. For example a single crown DH Build or a dual crown enduro build. Nothing revolutionary but people love to tinker around with their bikes, myself included.
I think it's the people who like to tinker who will take advantage of bikes like the Orbea.. DH bike with a dropper and 12 speed to be able to pedal better..
idk if this has been spotted elsewhere already and I missed it, but it looks like Kona has a new dh bike? From the new Caleb Holonko edit, thought it might just be a process 153 but the seattube here definitely isn't anything on their site. Looks sick with the og kona logo
Ohhh that logo.... shivers! Thats got to make a year of production. At least a limited edition.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DFmO0TLRs4Z/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Pretty sure that just a circa 2021 alloy Operator that he custom painted with old school Kona logo.
Canfield One.2 has entered the chat.
The Entourage was one of the funnest bikes I ever owned. The "mini-DH" bikes of that era, like the TR250, were so rad. Probably too niche to make it back into bike brand lineups, however, especially in these times and with many in this demographic moving to ebikes.
For sure a 27.5 operator. It’s a shame they don’t sell that bike anymore. No frills aluminum crab. Basically the same concept as the bottle rocket everybody is hyped on.
single pivot ≠ crab
Duh! I totally forgot Kona was single lol
Not sure if these guys have come up yet, but I just got to pop around on one. The DJI motor certainly blew my hair back a bit more than I expected, but the bike itself felt extremely dialed.
https://www.velduro.com/products/velduro-rogue-r-emtb?srsltid=AfmBOooMB…
You sure that's not a Sight VLT?
that's a Trek Slash+
allied bike that was posted about a few pages back. This was from ed masters most recent vid.
If I’m not mistaken there’s a forum for this.
Easily mistaken for the real thing.