The rollers of the T-type chains are larger making the effective chain pitch different from standard, that's what makes them technically incompatible with older cassettes/ chainrings.
That said lots of "incompatible" parts work fine together. Ive been quite happy with my XO1 AXS derailleur and shifter with an XT cassette and chain for a couple of years.
The rollers of the T-type chains are larger making the effective chain pitch different from standard, that's what makes them technically incompatible with older cassettes/ chainrings. That...
The rollers of the T-type chains are larger making the effective chain pitch different from standard, that's what makes them technically incompatible with older cassettes/ chainrings.
That said lots of "incompatible" parts work fine together. Ive been quite happy with my XO1 AXS derailleur and shifter with an XT cassette and chain for a couple of years.
I've known many people that have done that combo.. As I understand it, the cassette spacing is only a couple thousandths difference..
I have always wondered....both the chainring and the cassette only touch the inside (not the flat bit) of the chain so I assumed that wouldn't be...
I have always wondered....both the chainring and the cassette only touch the inside (not the flat bit) of the chain so I assumed that wouldn't be what affected compatibility, maybe just shift speed. If anything I assumed it was something to do with chain widths that made the compatibility an issue but then the cynic in me says its just an OEM pumping its own stuff. Anyone had any experience on running any old 12spd chain on a transmission setup?
As I have understood it, T-type chains have a slightly larger roller than normal... I wonder if we are seeing a derailleur with UDH mounting combined...
As I have understood it, T-type chains have a slightly larger roller than normal... I wonder if we are seeing a derailleur with UDH mounting combined with existing DH chain and cassette?
Not all DH bikes are UDH, so I'm assuming SRAM will have an option for this with their next release.
Not all DH bikes are UDH, so I'm assuming SRAM will have an option for this with their next release.
They'll most likely still have the current DH groups available for a while after they officially release the T-type group or groups.. Maybe 1 electronic and 1 mechanical group for T-type?
The rollers of the T-type chains are larger making the effective chain pitch different from standard, that's what makes them technically incompatible with older cassettes/ chainrings. That...
The rollers of the T-type chains are larger making the effective chain pitch different from standard, that's what makes them technically incompatible with older cassettes/ chainrings.
That said lots of "incompatible" parts work fine together. Ive been quite happy with my XO1 AXS derailleur and shifter with an XT cassette and chain for a couple of years.
I've known many people that have done that combo.. As I understand it, the cassette spacing is only a couple thousandths difference..
Yep, so a lightly used T-type chain works easily on other cassettes, the only issues are when the chain is brand new, but after a bit of wear the rollers will size down to the standard of a brand new (non T-type) 12 speed anyway.
I just assumed they would make the new DH cassette use their new chains, eliminates a SKU, means DH riders can easily source any new 12 speed SRAM chain etc etc.
Yep, so a lightly used T-type chain works easily on other cassettes, the only issues are when the chain is brand new, but after a bit...
Yep, so a lightly used T-type chain works easily on other cassettes, the only issues are when the chain is brand new, but after a bit of wear the rollers will size down to the standard of a brand new (non T-type) 12 speed anyway.
I just assumed they would make the new DH cassette use their new chains, eliminates a SKU, means DH riders can easily source any new 12 speed SRAM chain etc etc.
I would assume that too... I'm thinking that we might be seeing some different combos as there may be testing with some limited parts right now.. The big question is how far out are the new group or groups?
Showing up to a federal land agency meeting with heat maps printed discussing decommission was an eye opening experience. It’s a great tool for them to...
Showing up to a federal land agency meeting with heat maps printed discussing decommission was an eye opening experience. It’s a great tool for them to identify and remove any trail that was a significant amount of time to build. Your 2 minutes of enjoyment likely was 100 hours of work or more. And it just put a bullseye on the trail when you published your ride.
You can remove sharing heat maps on your settings, not make rides public and hide your maps. Or just not strava those trails.
Anything you want to keep secret should not have any GPS data even recorded at all from your watch/Garmin/phone. Record it as a strength workout with GPS off. I don't trust Strava to even have the data held on their servers even if my ride is private and hidden from the heat map. Every tech company eventually grossly misuses private data and I expect Strava to be no different. (especially after they IPO)
Interesting that another VPP brand manages to squeeze the platform onto an ebike.
The vertical shock layout with a 4-bar suspension design achieves the least amount of compromise when considering the old "Less expensive - Stronger - Lighter" adage. An extra link, part of VPP designs for example, is an added cost and weight but may add durability (stiffness falls in this category) over a 4-bar design.
I took a deeper look at the press photos from the new electric Reign, and it looks like Giant have completely changed their lower linkage/front triangle interface. The lower link is now one solid piece that sits between the front and rear triangles, and the seat tube is split, down by the BB. This should create a less flexxy lower link/rear end, right?
The vertical shock layout with a 4-bar suspension design achieves the least amount of compromise when considering the old "Less expensive - Stronger - Lighter" adage...
The vertical shock layout with a 4-bar suspension design achieves the least amount of compromise when considering the old "Less expensive - Stronger - Lighter" adage. An extra link, part of VPP designs for example, is an added cost and weight but may add durability (stiffness falls in this category) over a 4-bar design.
I'm pointing it out not because a brand ought to go with VPP or Crab Link for their ebike, but because the 'Cruz explained in their podcast that VPP didn't fly with the new bosch motor, and yet - here's another brand launching a VPP ebike after the Vala (although admittedly I can't see what motor Intense is using in the photo).
Besides, I vastly prefer the "PON only released the Vala as four bar to capitalize on the R&D of the close-to-launch GT ebike" conspiracy theory anyway.
Interesting that another VPP brand manages to squeeze the platform onto an ebike.
I can't image Santa Cruz (and every other other high end brand) isn't developing a DJI bike right now and they will manage to make it VPP again. Crestline already did it. Ran across one of those in the wild recently and had a chat about it. His buddies were on Amflow and freaking Teewing! There's a sizable chunk of the ebike market that is DJI or bust and will try a "not real brand" just for the motor. I can't imagine SC not wanting a slice of that pie.
I'd never buy an Amflow or Teewing, but I do view all these Bosch bikes getting released as already obsolete. That's only going to be sped up when the DJI Commencal drops for $7,900 (with a decent spec and supposedly lifetime warranty) Vala AL for $6K is the only good value for money Bosch bike. Any higher and it better have the new hotness of DJI. Every single ebike motor has a laughable 2 year warranty so what's really the benefit of going Bosch over DJI?
I can't image Santa Cruz (and every other other high end brand) isn't developing a DJI bike right now and they will manage to make it...
I can't image Santa Cruz (and every other other high end brand) isn't developing a DJI bike right now and they will manage to make it VPP again. Crestline already did it. Ran across one of those in the wild recently and had a chat about it. His buddies were on Amflow and freaking Teewing! There's a sizable chunk of the ebike market that is DJI or bust and will try a "not real brand" just for the motor. I can't imagine SC not wanting a slice of that pie.
I'd never buy an Amflow or Teewing, but I do view all these Bosch bikes getting released as already obsolete. That's only going to be sped up when the DJI Commencal drops for $7,900 (with a decent spec and supposedly lifetime warranty) Vala AL for $6K is the only good value for money Bosch bike. Any higher and it better have the new hotness of DJI. Every single ebike motor has a laughable 2 year warranty so what's really the benefit of going Bosch over DJI?
Only advantage Bosch has at this point, is that it's viewed as the 2000's Japanese 4 banger of the market. No new hotness, but people consider them very reliable. Sometimes HAVING a warantee and NEEDING a warantee are pretty different experiences. If they both had a 3 year warranty, would you rather own a Chevy Equinox, or a Honda CRV?
The guy who rides in Turbo mode everywhere, and has 3 spare batteries for more laps isn't the average EMTB rider, either.
The rollers of the T-type chains are larger making the effective chain pitch different from standard, that's what makes them technically incompatible with older cassettes/ chainrings.
That said lots of "incompatible" parts work fine together. Ive been quite happy with my XO1 AXS derailleur and shifter with an XT cassette and chain for a couple of years.
I've known many people that have done that combo.. As I understand it, the cassette spacing is only a couple thousandths difference..
Not all DH bikes are UDH, so I'm assuming SRAM will have an option for this with their next release.
They'll most likely still have the current DH groups available for a while after they officially release the T-type group or groups.. Maybe 1 electronic and 1 mechanical group for T-type?
New Saint Calipers?
Jackson (and a bunch of other riders) have been using them for a while now.
Yep, so a lightly used T-type chain works easily on other cassettes, the only issues are when the chain is brand new, but after a bit of wear the rollers will size down to the standard of a brand new (non T-type) 12 speed anyway.
I just assumed they would make the new DH cassette use their new chains, eliminates a SKU, means DH riders can easily source any new 12 speed SRAM chain etc etc.
I would assume that too... I'm thinking that we might be seeing some different combos as there may be testing with some limited parts right now.. The big question is how far out are the new group or groups?
it's possible that maybe the DH group just isn't 12 speed spacing and so not using the 12 speed chain.
Unbelievable, I thought nothing could be uglier than Maven brake calipers...even though they work perfectly...
He's not wrong.
Anything you want to keep secret should not have any GPS data even recorded at all from your watch/Garmin/phone. Record it as a strength workout with GPS off. I don't trust Strava to even have the data held on their servers even if my ride is private and hidden from the heat map. Every tech company eventually grossly misuses private data and I expect Strava to be no different. (especially after they IPO)
crab calipers
Wandering crab point
brakes = pincers
<carcinization intensifies>
New Tazer eBike from intense. Looks carbon and Bosch powered.
Crab Claws.
Crab pincer?
Looks like a Scor. Also furthers the point that the Vala is just a rebadged GT, since it is somehow a VPP e-bike with bosch.
Why can we not just have straight lines. Why does everything need a kink in it somewhere?
Interesting that another VPP brand manages to squeeze the platform onto an ebike.
Straight lines are nice, but you can't kink shame them.
The vertical shock layout with a 4-bar suspension design achieves the least amount of compromise when considering the old "Less expensive - Stronger - Lighter" adage. An extra link, part of VPP designs for example, is an added cost and weight but may add durability (stiffness falls in this category) over a 4-bar design.
Because now that "kink shaming" is out, the bike designers finally feel free to express themselves.
I took a deeper look at the press photos from the new electric Reign, and it looks like Giant have completely changed their lower linkage/front triangle interface. The lower link is now one solid piece that sits between the front and rear triangles, and the seat tube is split, down by the BB. This should create a less flexxy lower link/rear end, right?
I'm pointing it out not because a brand ought to go with VPP or Crab Link for their ebike, but because the 'Cruz explained in their podcast that VPP didn't fly with the new bosch motor, and yet - here's another brand launching a VPP ebike after the Vala (although admittedly I can't see what motor Intense is using in the photo).
Besides, I vastly prefer the "PON only released the Vala as four bar to capitalize on the R&D of the close-to-launch GT ebike" conspiracy theory anyway.
I like Santa Cruz but their crustacean justification is boiled, bruh
I can't image Santa Cruz (and every other other high end brand) isn't developing a DJI bike right now and they will manage to make it VPP again. Crestline already did it. Ran across one of those in the wild recently and had a chat about it. His buddies were on Amflow and freaking Teewing! There's a sizable chunk of the ebike market that is DJI or bust and will try a "not real brand" just for the motor. I can't imagine SC not wanting a slice of that pie.
I'd never buy an Amflow or Teewing, but I do view all these Bosch bikes getting released as already obsolete. That's only going to be sped up when the DJI Commencal drops for $7,900 (with a decent spec and supposedly lifetime warranty) Vala AL for $6K is the only good value for money Bosch bike. Any higher and it better have the new hotness of DJI. Every single ebike motor has a laughable 2 year warranty so what's really the benefit of going Bosch over DJI?
Only advantage Bosch has at this point, is that it's viewed as the 2000's Japanese 4 banger of the market. No new hotness, but people consider them very reliable. Sometimes HAVING a warantee and NEEDING a warantee are pretty different experiences. If they both had a 3 year warranty, would you rather own a Chevy Equinox, or a Honda CRV?
The guy who rides in Turbo mode everywhere, and has 3 spare batteries for more laps isn't the average EMTB rider, either.