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MrDuck
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10/3/2025 10:07am
jonkranked wrote:

pardon my french but how fucking stupid are the people running strava?  

j0lsrud wrote:

Full time Strawankers

Tbh I tried to send some feedback to Strava in 2012,in an effort to make it more useful for MTB. Since then I've only seen it going the other direction, catering to road etc, which is fine,I'm just not the target customer. 

Last year's API shenanigans made me try and export all my data so I can delete Strava, now I'm finally reminded to follow through before they go bust haha.

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1llumA
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just accidentally closed my phone before saving it to post but saw the non production (yet) Hope 40 crowns that are split clamps. All upgrades for...

just accidentally closed my phone before saving it to post but saw the non production (yet) Hope 40 crowns that are split clamps. All upgrades for feel in the moto world include split clamps. Any reason its not more popular in DH?

As far as I understand it is that Split crown clamp affect less smoothness in right side up forks like Boxxer & 40 than inverted forks that are ubiquitous in Moto/MX.

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Nobble
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10/3/2025 10:40am Edited Date/Time 10/3/2025 10:40am
just accidentally closed my phone before saving it to post but saw the non production (yet) Hope 40 crowns that are split clamps. All upgrades for...

just accidentally closed my phone before saving it to post but saw the non production (yet) Hope 40 crowns that are split clamps. All upgrades for feel in the moto world include split clamps. Any reason its not more popular in DH?

1llumA wrote:
As far as I understand it is that Split crown clamp affect less smoothness in right side up forks like Boxxer & 40 than inverted forks...

As far as I understand it is that Split crown clamp affect less smoothness in right side up forks like Boxxer & 40 than inverted forks that are ubiquitous in Moto/MX.

On moto you have a bushing that slides past the clamp during travel. The split clamp keeps the tube profile more consistent under load so the bushing moves through it better.


That’s not the case with an MTB fork.

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storm.racing
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10/3/2025 11:02am
just accidentally closed my phone before saving it to post but saw the non production (yet) Hope 40 crowns that are split clamps. All upgrades for...

just accidentally closed my phone before saving it to post but saw the non production (yet) Hope 40 crowns that are split clamps. All upgrades for feel in the moto world include split clamps. Any reason its not more popular in DH?

1llumA wrote:
As far as I understand it is that Split crown clamp affect less smoothness in right side up forks like Boxxer & 40 than inverted forks...

As far as I understand it is that Split crown clamp affect less smoothness in right side up forks like Boxxer & 40 than inverted forks that are ubiquitous in Moto/MX.

Nobble wrote:
On moto you have a bushing that slides past the clamp during travel. The split clamp keeps the tube profile more consistent under load so the...

On moto you have a bushing that slides past the clamp during travel. The split clamp keeps the tube profile more consistent under load so the bushing moves through it better.


That’s not the case with an MTB fork.

appreciate the feedback and explanation!

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Primoz
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10/3/2025 11:09am
jonkranked wrote:

pardon my french but how fucking stupid are the people running strava?  

j0lsrud wrote:

Full time Strawankers

MrDuck wrote:
Tbh I tried to send some feedback to Strava in 2012,in an effort to make it more useful for MTB. Since then I've only seen it...

Tbh I tried to send some feedback to Strava in 2012,in an effort to make it more useful for MTB. Since then I've only seen it going the other direction, catering to road etc, which is fine,I'm just not the target customer. 

Last year's API shenanigans made me try and export all my data so I can delete Strava, now I'm finally reminded to follow through before they go bust haha.

@jeff.brines is making an alternative that should cater to MTB a lot better. Also, have you thought about selfhosting? 

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jonkranked
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10/3/2025 1:26pm Edited Date/Time 10/3/2025 1:27pm
frtachi wrote:
Specs of the upcoming Botterocket. Found i a norwegian webstore, link below.https://www.bcsport.no/transition-bikes/01.26.10.55.bot5/transition-bottlerocket-dual-crown-snowstormPriced at 59,999 NOK which is 5140 euro.

Specs of the upcoming Botterocket. Found i a norwegian webstore, link below.
https://www.bcsport.no/transition-bikes/01.26.10.55.bot5/transition-bottlerocket-dual-crown-snowstorm


WEB Image Transition Bottlerocket Dual Crown Snows 01 26 10 55 bot5 21876575631 plid 122792
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Priced at 59,999 NOK which is 5140 euro.

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boozed
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10/3/2025 2:54pm
ballz wrote:

My guess is HBS MBAs with 26.2 bumper stickers on their brodozers.

iceman2058 wrote:

"brodozer" LOL that term needs to find a home in mountain biking vocabulary!

jonkranked wrote:

there's enough mtb'ers driving brodozers that i'd rather not make it worse.  i've started referring to it as "automotive cosplay"

I like "emotional support vehicle".

Regular Car Reviews once referred to them as "men's rights trucks".

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10/3/2025 3:19pm
jonkranked wrote:

pardon my french but how fucking stupid are the people running strava?  

j0lsrud wrote:

Full time Strawankers

RFrogh wrote:

DEATH TO ALL HEAT MAPS

why? spent a month in Canada this summer and the best trails I rode and spent time brushing/clearing deadfall from weren't on any other map

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10/3/2025 3:41pm

You didn’t get this from me. 
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mtbman99
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10/3/2025 3:58pm

Who? What? I see nothing

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BillyA
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10/3/2025 4:07pm
mtbman99 wrote:

Who? What? I see nothing

RAD!

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Big Bird
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10/3/2025 4:31pm
iceman2058 wrote:

"brodozer" LOL that term needs to find a home in mountain biking vocabulary!

jonkranked wrote:

there's enough mtb'ers driving brodozers that i'd rather not make it worse.  i've started referring to it as "automotive cosplay"

boozed wrote:

I like "emotional support vehicle".

Regular Car Reviews once referred to them as "men's rights trucks".

I call them Big Stupid Trucks.

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Big Bird
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10/3/2025 4:38pm

So is that mythical fork a single crown 40? Takes me back to the slalom version of the DHO. I've got a few of those. I used to know people at Rock Shox when they were still in Santa Cruz. Our team at Another Bike Shop got our OG Boxxers before the sponsored riders did. Sorry Peaty.

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10/3/2025 4:43pm
Big Bird wrote:
So is that mythical fork a single crown 40? Takes me back to the slalom version of the DHO. I've got a few of those. I...

So is that mythical fork a single crown 40? Takes me back to the slalom version of the DHO. I've got a few of those. I used to know people at Rock Shox when they were still in Santa Cruz. Our team at Another Bike Shop got our OG Boxxers before the sponsored riders did. Sorry Peaty.

New 38

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dolface
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10/3/2025 4:45pm
Big Bird wrote:
So is that mythical fork a single crown 40? Takes me back to the slalom version of the DHO. I've got a few of those. I...

So is that mythical fork a single crown 40? Takes me back to the slalom version of the DHO. I've got a few of those. I used to know people at Rock Shox when they were still in Santa Cruz. Our team at Another Bike Shop got our OG Boxxers before the sponsored riders did. Sorry Peaty.

chriskief wrote:

New 38

Is it just me or does the rebound knob cover/assembly look long?

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10/3/2025 4:46pm
dolface wrote:

Is it just me or does the rebound knob cover/assembly look long?

Its just excited. 

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10/3/2025 4:46pm

Random things seen in parking lots...

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dolface wrote:

Is it just me or does the rebound knob cover/assembly look long?

Its just excited. 

Maybe it's cold...

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chriskief
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10/3/2025 4:50pm
Big Bird wrote:
So is that mythical fork a single crown 40? Takes me back to the slalom version of the DHO. I've got a few of those. I...

So is that mythical fork a single crown 40? Takes me back to the slalom version of the DHO. I've got a few of those. I used to know people at Rock Shox when they were still in Santa Cruz. Our team at Another Bike Shop got our OG Boxxers before the sponsored riders did. Sorry Peaty.

chriskief wrote:

New 38

dolface wrote:

Is it just me or does the rebound knob cover/assembly look long?

Perhaps, but current gen has some overlap which hides a bit of the length.

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10/3/2025 4:58pm

In response to that insane faring thing on the AON bike. The mechanic said it was so he could get more feel/grip. WHY WHY WHY does it not have grip tape on it then. 

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nskerb wrote:
In response to that insane faring thing on the AON bike. The mechanic said it was so he could get more feel/grip. WHY WHY WHY does...

In response to that insane faring thing on the AON bike. The mechanic said it was so he could get more feel/grip. WHY WHY WHY does it not have grip tape on it then. 

I’ve always felt gripping my seat with my knees was plenty.  But with some of the wide option tuck sections of this track if you can be resting a bit while going as fast as everyone else it’s not the worst idea.


Hopefully the get something a bit less likely to kill Reese soon.  Even just some plastic on those edges would be a huge improvement.

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10/3/2025 5:51pm
nskerb wrote:
In response to that insane faring thing on the AON bike. The mechanic said it was so he could get more feel/grip. WHY WHY WHY does...

In response to that insane faring thing on the AON bike. The mechanic said it was so he could get more feel/grip. WHY WHY WHY does it not have grip tape on it then. 

Grip tape was added today. Coming from riding motocross bikes I totally understand his theory. I grip my seat and link all the time.  If it helps him get to the next step, I’m here for it!

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Brian_Peterson
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10/3/2025 6:07pm
Grip tape was added today. Coming from riding motocross bikes I totally understand his theory. I grip my seat and link all the time.  If it...

Grip tape was added today. Coming from riding motocross bikes I totally understand his theory. I grip my seat and link all the time.  If it helps him get to the next step, I’m here for it!

IMG 8397

I can see it helping a bit.. I'd just find some better hardware.. Also a good spot for some sponsor stickers.. Side plates coming to DH?

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10/3/2025 6:37pm
nskerb wrote:
In response to that insane faring thing on the AON bike. The mechanic said it was so he could get more feel/grip. WHY WHY WHY does...

In response to that insane faring thing on the AON bike. The mechanic said it was so he could get more feel/grip. WHY WHY WHY does it not have grip tape on it then. 

Why why why does it not have counter sunk screws from either side?

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jasbushey
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10/3/2025 6:55pm
bnsleit wrote:

why? spent a month in Canada this summer and the best trails I rode and spent time brushing/clearing deadfall from weren't on any other map

Showing up to a federal land agency meeting with heat maps printed discussing decommission was an eye opening experience.  It’s a great tool for them to identify and remove any trail that was a significant amount of time to build. Your 2 minutes of enjoyment likely was 100 hours of work or more.  And it just put a bullseye on the trail when you published your ride.

You can remove sharing heat maps on your settings, not make rides public and hide your maps. Or just not strava those trails. 

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10/3/2025 7:38pm
Grip tape was added today. Coming from riding motocross bikes I totally understand his theory. I grip my seat and link all the time.  If it...

Grip tape was added today. Coming from riding motocross bikes I totally understand his theory. I grip my seat and link all the time.  If it helps him get to the next step, I’m here for it!

IMG 8397

I can see it helping a bit.. I'd just find some better hardware.. Also a good spot for some sponsor stickers.. Side plates coming to DH?

This would be easy to 3d print im not sure why they went with such a sketchy solution?

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MrDuck
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10/3/2025 8:06pm
Primoz wrote:

@jeff.brines is making an alternative that should cater to MTB a lot better. Also, have you thought about selfhosting? 

I worked on one a while ago..slightly different primary purpose, which was mostly about getting together with your mates and going for a ride, but recording was a natural part of it. 

An idea I really wanted to play with was identifying users' riding style (using super secret Duck's autism algorithms, obv) to find new people to ride with too, but then everyone got stoked on it calling it something like a Tinder for mountain bikers. 
Got it all working and all but then I had to talk to people and ask them to use it(or tell me why they couldn't), which wasn't quite successful as I got feedback from exactly 1 active user. Not very efficient in a social-ish app, and I can't stand social media enough to rile people up.

To be quite honest, I'd like to see Trailforks just getting some better, MTB-specific features implemented that I tried pitching to Strava over a decade ago. While TF has its own issues, it's got a decent user base and I'd rather see them implement things, than working with their API unless it's got sorted out a bit in the recent few years Smile I don't see a strong reason to try and create own, competing database of "segments" that would be a trail, though I'm aware a segment can be a section of a trail, or a bunch of trails linked or whatevs.. 

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Mwood
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10/3/2025 9:04pm Edited Date/Time 10/3/2025 9:05pm
MrDuck wrote:
I worked on one a while ago..slightly different primary purpose, which was mostly about getting together with your mates and going for a ride, but recording...

I worked on one a while ago..slightly different primary purpose, which was mostly about getting together with your mates and going for a ride, but recording was a natural part of it. 

An idea I really wanted to play with was identifying users' riding style (using super secret Duck's autism algorithms, obv) to find new people to ride with too, but then everyone got stoked on it calling it something like a Tinder for mountain bikers. 
Got it all working and all but then I had to talk to people and ask them to use it(or tell me why they couldn't), which wasn't quite successful as I got feedback from exactly 1 active user. Not very efficient in a social-ish app, and I can't stand social media enough to rile people up.

To be quite honest, I'd like to see Trailforks just getting some better, MTB-specific features implemented that I tried pitching to Strava over a decade ago. While TF has its own issues, it's got a decent user base and I'd rather see them implement things, than working with their API unless it's got sorted out a bit in the recent few years Smile I don't see a strong reason to try and create own, competing database of "segments" that would be a trail, though I'm aware a segment can be a section of a trail, or a bunch of trails linked or whatevs.. 

One issue, Trailforks is owned by Outside and they don't care about you or our sport

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