MTB Tech Rumors and Innovation

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9/24/2025 4:18am Edited Date/Time 9/24/2025 4:19am
Losifer wrote:

It's all ball bearings nowadays.

 

I'm going to send my new bike tech to the shop and tell him to get me helmet bearings to see how he reacts.

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9/24/2025 9:44am
earleb wrote:

Hasn't that been happening for ages?

Baulz wrote:

Yes it has, along with oil instead of grease in bearings. Race/Qualifying runs only I would assume.

rugbyred wrote:

I believe Steve Peat did that. The bearings would last a run as the oil leaked out on the way down. 

I believe you can run the ceramic ones without grease.

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9/24/2025 11:51am
Baulz wrote:

Yes it has, along with oil instead of grease in bearings. Race/Qualifying runs only I would assume.

rugbyred wrote:

I believe Steve Peat did that. The bearings would last a run as the oil leaked out on the way down. 

comatosegi wrote:

I believe you can run the ceramic ones without grease.

You probably can, but you shouldn't. Any bearing even with the "gothic arch" style race design will experience microscopic amounts skidding. Running a bearing dry might feel good in an unloaded test but the moment the load is applied lubricants will help 

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9/24/2025 12:28pm Edited Date/Time 9/24/2025 12:32pm

According to their IG, Transition is announcing something tomorrow. Video clip is from the Kamloops Bike Ranch and looks like it could be dj-related. Or maybe finally the official release of the new Bottle Rocket? (but probably not. The clip doesn't seem to match a BR release)

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9/24/2025 12:32pm
That's actually a clean looking frame IMO. Obviously fk the headset routing though

That's actually a clean looking frame IMO. Obviously fk the headset routing though

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vinny4130 wrote:

Can we assume this is a v2 commencal supreme, carbonated and tucked?

I don't know why, but if Scott didn't hide the shock, I think it would look something like this..

Looks like the carbon version of a CrossWorx Dash290

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9/25/2025 4:34am

My thoughts exactly. 

"It's all ball bearings these days. Perhaps you guys need a refresher course

Oh and I'm going to need some gauze pad and 3-1 oil."

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9/25/2025 9:17am
saskskier wrote:
According to their IG, Transition is announcing something tomorrow. Video clip is from the Kamloops Bike Ranch and looks like it could be dj-related. Or maybe...

According to their IG, Transition is announcing something tomorrow. Video clip is from the Kamloops Bike Ranch and looks like it could be dj-related. Or maybe finally the official release of the new Bottle Rocket? (but probably not. The clip doesn't seem to match a BR release)

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9/25/2025 9:31am

random- do you think Yeti DH will ever see production?

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9/25/2025 9:53am

Been wishing for that to happen for years now!

9/25/2025 10:01am

Not technically a mountain bike tech rumor, but it's very funny to listen to gravel riders insist they aren't just reinventing 1990s mountain bikes and then see product releases like this... https://www.bikeradar.com/news/rockshoxs-rudy-xl-gravel-fork 

60mm of travel and clearance for 2.25" tires. This thing would have crushed the NORBA XC circuit. All it's missing is some stanchion boots. 

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9/25/2025 10:24am Edited Date/Time 9/25/2025 10:25am

random- do you think Yeti DH will ever see production?

in some capacity, yes. their website currently has the DH bike under the special projects page / moniker. they've done limited runs of the special projects bikes in the past, like the first run of the 4x bike where they made 100 frames. given how much it would likely cost and the niche status for DH bikes that would be my best guesstimate. 

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9/25/2025 10:34am
Not technically a mountain bike tech rumor, but it's very funny to listen to gravel riders insist they aren't just reinventing 1990s mountain bikes and then...

Not technically a mountain bike tech rumor, but it's very funny to listen to gravel riders insist they aren't just reinventing 1990s mountain bikes and then see product releases like this... https://www.bikeradar.com/news/rockshoxs-rudy-xl-gravel-fork 

60mm of travel and clearance for 2.25" tires. This thing would have crushed the NORBA XC circuit. All it's missing is some stanchion boots. 

Looks like they've also invented rear suspension...

https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/road-bikes/gravel-bikes/drop-b…

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9/25/2025 11:20am
Not technically a mountain bike tech rumor, but it's very funny to listen to gravel riders insist they aren't just reinventing 1990s mountain bikes and then...

Not technically a mountain bike tech rumor, but it's very funny to listen to gravel riders insist they aren't just reinventing 1990s mountain bikes and then see product releases like this... https://www.bikeradar.com/news/rockshoxs-rudy-xl-gravel-fork 

60mm of travel and clearance for 2.25" tires. This thing would have crushed the NORBA XC circuit. All it's missing is some stanchion boots. 

chriskief wrote:

Looks like they've also invented rear suspension...

https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/road-bikes/gravel-bikes/drop-b…

Not gonna lie (and this comes from a trek hater). That thing is sick. 

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9/25/2025 12:12pm
dwhere wrote:

Not gonna lie (and this comes from a trek hater). That thing is sick. 

Interesting that they went away from the foreskin shock that the Supercaliber has. I'm sure the bearing & link are heavier so I'm guessing the decision had to do with reliability and we'll see similar changes rolled into the Supercaliber. I've got no skin (of any sort) in the gravel game though.

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9/25/2025 12:23pm Edited Date/Time 9/25/2025 12:24pm
dwhere wrote:

Not gonna lie (and this comes from a trek hater). That thing is sick. 

Interesting that they went away from the foreskin shock that the Supercaliber has. I'm sure the bearing & link are heavier so I'm guessing the decision...

Interesting that they went away from the foreskin shock that the Supercaliber has. I'm sure the bearing & link are heavier so I'm guessing the decision had to do with reliability and we'll see similar changes rolled into the Supercaliber. I've got no skin (of any sort) in the gravel game though.

There is a podcast on Escape Collective with the designers, they discussed it. The integrated shock doesn't work on a road type frame with a high top tube and big angle between the seat stays and top tube, the TT and shock need to be relatively parallel to the seat stays. So the integrated shock design works on a low standover MTB, not on a gravel frame. 

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9/25/2025 12:51pm

The new 38 is ditching the current 38 air spring to go to a normal one where the piston runs directly on the inner stanchion instead of the current tube inside the stanchion setup. It will also be a glide core air spring. Should see some decent weight savings from that change alone.

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9/25/2025 12:58pm
The new 38 is ditching the current 38 air spring to go to a normal one where the piston runs directly on the inner stanchion instead...

The new 38 is ditching the current 38 air spring to go to a normal one where the piston runs directly on the inner stanchion instead of the current tube inside the stanchion setup. It will also be a glide core air spring. Should see some decent weight savings from that change alone.

Didn't they introduce that new floating one for less friction when the fork deflects? This could be a cost saving measure, and to push the higher spending customers towards the podium. 

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9/25/2025 1:47pm
Didn't they introduce that new floating one for less friction when the fork deflects? This could be a cost saving measure, and to push the higher...

Didn't they introduce that new floating one for less friction when the fork deflects? This could be a cost saving measure, and to push the higher spending customers towards the podium. 

Not going to lie. Kind of forgot that fork existed. Hype died fast I guess

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9/25/2025 2:07pm
The new 38 is ditching the current 38 air spring to go to a normal one where the piston runs directly on the inner stanchion instead...

The new 38 is ditching the current 38 air spring to go to a normal one where the piston runs directly on the inner stanchion instead of the current tube inside the stanchion setup. It will also be a glide core air spring. Should see some decent weight savings from that change alone.

Is it supposed to be like what's in the new 36, or even more conventional than that? I have heard very positive things from heavy riders on the new 36 as far as improved performance under braking, etc. which they attribute to the new air spring. If that's the case, it seems like it would do the opposite of differentiating  it from the Podium. 

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9/25/2025 2:22pm

Put a motor in that and I’ll buy that trek. 

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9/25/2025 2:58pm
Jotegr wrote:
Is it supposed to be like what's in the new 36, or even more conventional than that? I have heard very positive things from heavy riders...

Is it supposed to be like what's in the new 36, or even more conventional than that? I have heard very positive things from heavy riders on the new 36 as far as improved performance under braking, etc. which they attribute to the new air spring. If that's the case, it seems like it would do the opposite of differentiating  it from the Podium. 

Yes it will be the same as all the current Fox air springs in the 32/34/36.

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9/25/2025 5:12pm

Easy to see the vertical shock orientation on that proto Ari

IMG 9748
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9/25/2025 5:57pm
Kusa wrote:
Easy to see the vertical shock orientation on that proto Ari

Easy to see the vertical shock orientation on that proto Ari

IMG 9748

On a total side note, and at the risk of derailing things for a few pages to discuss the engineering justification, Ari’s seatstays are the most offensive aesthetic things in mtb. Can’t change my mind.

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9/25/2025 8:10pm
dwhere wrote:

Not gonna lie (and this comes from a trek hater). That thing is sick. 

Interesting that they went away from the foreskin shock that the Supercaliber has. I'm sure the bearing & link are heavier so I'm guessing the decision...

Interesting that they went away from the foreskin shock that the Supercaliber has. I'm sure the bearing & link are heavier so I'm guessing the decision had to do with reliability and we'll see similar changes rolled into the Supercaliber. I've got no skin (of any sort) in the gravel game though.

Finkill wrote:
There is a podcast on Escape Collective with the designers, they discussed it. The integrated shock doesn't work on a road type frame with a high...

There is a podcast on Escape Collective with the designers, they discussed it. The integrated shock doesn't work on a road type frame with a high top tube and big angle between the seat stays and top tube, the TT and shock need to be relatively parallel to the seat stays. So the integrated shock design works on a low standover MTB, not on a gravel frame. 

The gravel category is about to take a massive nosedive. People on the Radavist are commenting things like “woah you can build a bike to suit the terrain?” unironically! I guess if you insist on drop bars the checkout is cool, but the best gravel bike I’ve ever ridden is the epic hard tail. 

https://theradavist.com/are-mountain-bikes-just-faster

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9/25/2025 8:22pm

random- do you think Yeti DH will ever see production?

Pretty certain. Short answer: they're racing it, so it has to go into production. The clock starts when it's first raced at a UCI event. My guess would be the end of this season or the start of next. Gotta pay for those pricey molds.

Long answer: UCI rule Article 1.3.006 if you want to get into the nitty-gritty. 

The official rule across all disciplines is 12 months to be available for order, with delivery within 90 days. Road racing is pretty strictly enforced, while clearly, mountain biking isn't. Of course, there are ways to stretch the deadlines, but most seem to stay within the 12-month timeline. Pivot pushed it to roughly 16-18 months. Specialized is on... V3 visually as far as we know and closing in on three years. Mondraker seems to be taking the easiest approach by releasing a version of the Summum quietly while continuing development.

 

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9/25/2025 9:06pm

Anyone have release date info on the new evil bikes models? They looked close to production a few pages back 

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9/25/2025 9:30pm
The gravel category is about to take a massive nosedive. People on the Radavist are commenting things like “woah you can build a bike to suit...

The gravel category is about to take a massive nosedive. People on the Radavist are commenting things like “woah you can build a bike to suit the terrain?” unironically! I guess if you insist on drop bars the checkout is cool, but the best gravel bike I’ve ever ridden is the epic hard tail. 

https://theradavist.com/are-mountain-bikes-just-faster

I’ve never been so anti-drop bar. That was maddening! 

Goddamn! Like, you can listen to cool music, you can do cool shit…just because it’s difficult doesn’t make it worth it!
 

My friend says cyclocross is for dudes who want to get muddy without going fast. He’s right. Gravel is like golf: it seems fine in a vacuum but if I can still ride a mtb why would I choose to do that? 

I’m still gonna buy an egravel bike though. Whatever. 
 

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9/25/2025 10:49pm
Lacanuck24 wrote:
Pretty certain. Short answer: they're racing it, so it has to go into production. The clock starts when it's first raced at a UCI event. My...

Pretty certain. Short answer: they're racing it, so it has to go into production. The clock starts when it's first raced at a UCI event. My guess would be the end of this season or the start of next. Gotta pay for those pricey molds.

Long answer: UCI rule Article 1.3.006 if you want to get into the nitty-gritty. 

The official rule across all disciplines is 12 months to be available for order, with delivery within 90 days. Road racing is pretty strictly enforced, while clearly, mountain biking isn't. Of course, there are ways to stretch the deadlines, but most seem to stay within the 12-month timeline. Pivot pushed it to roughly 16-18 months. Specialized is on... V3 visually as far as we know and closing in on three years. Mondraker seems to be taking the easiest approach by releasing a version of the Summum quietly while continuing development.

 

You mean like numerous specialized prototypes, intense prototypes, mondraker prototypes went into production right? That UCI rule only applies to road racing.

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9/26/2025 12:27am
Trocko wrote:

Anyone have release date info on the new evil bikes models? They looked close to production a few pages back 

i Wish, i'm Waiting patiently guessing what the changes are and hoping for some, but the Offering should be close

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9/26/2025 12:44am
The gravel category is about to take a massive nosedive. People on the Radavist are commenting things like “woah you can build a bike to suit...

The gravel category is about to take a massive nosedive. People on the Radavist are commenting things like “woah you can build a bike to suit the terrain?” unironically! I guess if you insist on drop bars the checkout is cool, but the best gravel bike I’ve ever ridden is the epic hard tail. 

https://theradavist.com/are-mountain-bikes-just-faster

owl-x wrote:
I’ve never been so anti-drop bar. That was maddening! Goddamn! Like, you can listen to cool music, you can do cool shit…just because it’s difficult doesn’t make...

I’ve never been so anti-drop bar. That was maddening! 

Goddamn! Like, you can listen to cool music, you can do cool shit…just because it’s difficult doesn’t make it worth it!
 

My friend says cyclocross is for dudes who want to get muddy without going fast. He’s right. Gravel is like golf: it seems fine in a vacuum but if I can still ride a mtb why would I choose to do that? 

I’m still gonna buy an egravel bike though. Whatever. 
 

I kinda came around to them when I visited a friend that is a serious road rider, I noticed he had a gravel bike and asked him about it (hiding my disgust). He got so excited saying it was the bike he rides the most now as the roads have gotten so dangerous with cars, this let's him get out onto paths and dirt roads for all his training.

 

Meanwhile, I fitted 680mm flat bars to both my "road" bikes and 1x12 slx drivetrain...

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