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9/8/2025 11:35am

Or, just offering custom geometry on the Ti frames where they can adjust tube lengths..

Perhaps a custom Ti front triangle (since they already make Ti hardtails) mated to the existing carbon rear triangle? 

Although the shape of the rear end around the dropout, from what I can glimpse in that video, does look slightly different to their existing frames.

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9/8/2025 11:46am
Why do companies not make coil forks with progressive coil springs like how CC/DVO/MRP have done for their rear shocks? It feels wonderful for those who...

Why do companies not make coil forks with progressive coil springs like how CC/DVO/MRP have done for their rear shocks? It feels wonderful for those who are about that. At least as far as rear shocks go. But I have yet to buy a coil fork because I love a lot of progression and I worry Id get one and there would definitely be very little support. 

Smashpot V2 is dual rate with HBO in 180mm+.

Progressive coils do exist in motos, we actually pulled them out for linear on the road side. Might be a lack of volume, too niche within a niche sport.

9/8/2025 12:30pm
JVP wrote:
Anyone else having flashbacks to the sounds of old Marzocchi forks bottoming? KLANG!!! Hmm, guess I better add another capful of fork oil to each side...

Anyone else having flashbacks to the sounds of old Marzocchi forks bottoming? KLANG!!! Hmm, guess I better add another capful of fork oil to each side. Miss/don't miss those old beasts.

 

Cougar797 wrote:
I mean it was just the old school way of adding volume tokens. Plus oil actually lubricated the forks better so it served a purpose. I...

I mean it was just the old school way of adding volume tokens. Plus oil actually lubricated the forks better so it served a purpose. I wish we'd see more forks with greater lubricating bath volumes again. I'd absolutely take the weight for the huge loss in friction. 

It was amazing during my time with Marzocchi how many times I had to explai  that raising the oil level did not mean changing the oil...

It was amazing during my time with Marzocchi how many times I had to explai  that raising the oil level did not mean changing the oil weight.. I would say raise the oil height by 5mm and 9 times out of 10 the response would be, "I put in 10wt oil.." That air space was a secondary spring. So, yes, adding oil was the same as adding a token today..

The absolute best was seeing a cartridge split open when someone decided 20wt oil was the answer.. Pushing peanut butter through a pin hole..

Unless the market gets over the extra weight of the old oil bath forks, I don't see that returning. Even if they did perform better and had longer service intervals..

Great video on using oil volume in coil fork.

(Sorry to derail tech rumors)

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9/8/2025 2:53pm Edited Date/Time 9/9/2025 5:51pm

[edit by @sspomer - revel asked that the photo be removed]

She's a looker.

It's interesting to see that it has a vertical shock layout, unlike their other offerings. 

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9/8/2025 3:59pm
MTBrent wrote:
[edit by @sspomer - revel asked that the photo be removed]She's a looker.It's interesting to see that it has a vertical shock layout, unlike their other...

[edit by @sspomer - revel asked that the photo be removed]

She's a looker.

It's interesting to see that it has a vertical shock layout, unlike their other offerings. 

A new crab

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9/8/2025 4:12pm

Seems odd that the rest of their stuff is Canfield CBF..then they do a ti crab link??? Ti CBF would be on brand. This looks like they just had some rando Asian factory knock up catalog ti crab link. 

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9/8/2025 4:25pm
earleb wrote:
Seems odd that the rest of their stuff is Canfield CBF..then they do a ti crab link??? Ti CBF would be on brand. This looks like...

Seems odd that the rest of their stuff is Canfield CBF..then they do a ti crab link??? Ti CBF would be on brand. This looks like they just had some rando Asian factory knock up catalog ti crab link. 

Might be weight/contruction considerations, CBF require more pivots and a complete rear triangle. So an extra tube, 2 links and a yoke extra essentially

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9/8/2025 4:36pm

Good timing, as Canfield just posted about the “new 2026 Tilt and Lithium” coming at Outerbike in October.

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9/8/2025 5:02pm
Primoz wrote:

Is this diy? 

Johnboy wrote:

Yes it is

Primoz wrote:

Care to share the deets? 

It's not super intricate, it doesn't have a preloadable topcap (uses a standard air topcap), rather it relies on correctly sized springs. 

It's in a set of RS Revelations, the length of the stanchions meant that the usual 300-305mm Z1, MRP, Selva springs were too long so I needed to shorten them. 

Made the plunger shaft out of a piece of titanium round bar I had laying around. 

Used a B1 seal head as the plunger guide. I machined a new ID journal and modified a DU eyelet bushing for the plunger shaft to run on. 

Lower spring guide/perch is made from acetal. Upper is aluminium with a small acetal sleeve. 

I calculated my desirable spring rate by cross referencing a couple of different spring design calculators and ended up with a variety of different spring rates ranging from approx 8Nm - 12Nm at the required lengths I needed for 155 - 165mm travel. 

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9/8/2025 6:09pm Edited Date/Time 9/9/2025 4:14am
lando wrote:
I prefer Vital because people are allowed to have different opinions here—most people seem to remember we’re just talking about expensive toys for grownups on this...

I prefer Vital because people are allowed to have different opinions here—most people seem to remember we’re just talking about expensive toys for grownups on this site. I can’t go to pinkbike anymore because of the holier-than-thou attitude on all topics, and if you don’t agree you are treated like a leper. I don’t have extreme opinions by any means, but it feels like I do on PB since everyone’s reaction there is so vitriolic.


Thanks for being real, Vital.

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Does anyone seriously believe that 99% of the people in this thread aren’t also in the PB comments.The irony of claiming PB is filled with virtue...

Does anyone seriously believe that 99% of the people in this thread aren’t also in the PB comments.


The irony of claiming PB is filled with virtue signalers, while simultaneously saying Vital is better than PB.

Both sites have their differences and are staples.

It was me that initially said people here seem to be better. After then starting another thread in an attempt to stop constant derails the attitude of some contributors made it very clear things are no different here to Pinkbike. People are people, good and bad everywhere.

Some people even go so low as to make comments that others then find it distressing to read over the World Champs weekend! That weekend of all weekends! That's just an example that was brought to my attention of how self centred and inconsiderate some people can be! 🤣

Edit; Not that you would, but careful you don't be seen to agree with my divergence from the pack. You may also get cancelled (despite seeing a poll somewhere that seemed to show that 50% of people agreed with my stance). 🤣🤷‍♂️

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9/8/2025 6:20pm
Cougar797 wrote:
I mean it was just the old school way of adding volume tokens. Plus oil actually lubricated the forks better so it served a purpose. I...

I mean it was just the old school way of adding volume tokens. Plus oil actually lubricated the forks better so it served a purpose. I wish we'd see more forks with greater lubricating bath volumes again. I'd absolutely take the weight for the huge loss in friction. 

It was amazing during my time with Marzocchi how many times I had to explai  that raising the oil level did not mean changing the oil...

It was amazing during my time with Marzocchi how many times I had to explai  that raising the oil level did not mean changing the oil weight.. I would say raise the oil height by 5mm and 9 times out of 10 the response would be, "I put in 10wt oil.." That air space was a secondary spring. So, yes, adding oil was the same as adding a token today..

The absolute best was seeing a cartridge split open when someone decided 20wt oil was the answer.. Pushing peanut butter through a pin hole..

Unless the market gets over the extra weight of the old oil bath forks, I don't see that returning. Even if they did perform better and had longer service intervals..

Great video on using oil volume in coil fork.(Sorry to derail tech rumors)

Great video on using oil volume in coil fork.

(Sorry to derail tech rumors)

Sorry for the continuation of that derail.

 

I have an MRP Ribbon coil and I play around with oil weights a fair amount depending on ride characteristics and time of year (ambient temps). It can make a surprising difference to how a fork rides.

9/8/2025 6:49pm

Is Cascade cooking up a lug/tube e-bike?

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9/8/2025 6:58pm
lando wrote:
I prefer Vital because people are allowed to have different opinions here—most people seem to remember we’re just talking about expensive toys for grownups on this...

I prefer Vital because people are allowed to have different opinions here—most people seem to remember we’re just talking about expensive toys for grownups on this site. I can’t go to pinkbike anymore because of the holier-than-thou attitude on all topics, and if you don’t agree you are treated like a leper. I don’t have extreme opinions by any means, but it feels like I do on PB since everyone’s reaction there is so vitriolic.


Thanks for being real, Vital.

2supple wrote:
Does anyone seriously believe that 99% of the people in this thread aren’t also in the PB comments.The irony of claiming PB is filled with virtue...

Does anyone seriously believe that 99% of the people in this thread aren’t also in the PB comments.


The irony of claiming PB is filled with virtue signalers, while simultaneously saying Vital is better than PB.

Both sites have their differences and are staples.

Sure you have a point, admittedly there’s irony there. But I’m resolute that I would rather voice my opinion and face those that differ from my own here than at PB. I honestly think there’s a different, less self-adulating while ostracizing forum culture here. And it’s fine if you don’t agree. 

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This is a messageboard, Pinkbike has comments on their articles. Zingers over there, dear diary and super breakdowns over here. 

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9/9/2025 6:31am
owl-x wrote:

This is a messageboard, Pinkbike has comments on their articles. Zingers over there, dear diary and super breakdowns over here. 

Cant forget the occasional shit posting happening here as well. 

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9/9/2025 6:40am
owl-x wrote:

This is a messageboard, Pinkbike has comments on their articles. Zingers over there, dear diary and super breakdowns over here. 

Cant forget the occasional shit posting happening here as well. 

Carcinization over here

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9/9/2025 7:04am
Is Cascade cooking up a lug/tube e-bike?

Is Cascade cooking up a lug/tube e-bike?

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Sure looks like it could fit a bosch shaped touch screen. I can certainly see them making the lugs and someone else doing the rest of the work. If you look into the work cascade does outside of the mtb world, they seem well equipped to do this kind of work at scale. 

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9/9/2025 7:05am
owl-x wrote:

This is a messageboard, Pinkbike has comments on their articles. Zingers over there, dear diary and super breakdowns over here. 

Zingers, puns, and one liners vs actual conversation.. Not always on topic, but still conversation..

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9/9/2025 8:46am
Is Cascade cooking up a lug/tube e-bike?

Is Cascade cooking up a lug/tube e-bike?

IMG 8113
Sure looks like it could fit a bosch shaped touch screen. I can certainly see them making the lugs and someone else doing the rest of...

Sure looks like it could fit a bosch shaped touch screen. I can certainly see them making the lugs and someone else doing the rest of the work. If you look into the work cascade does outside of the mtb world, they seem well equipped to do this kind of work at scale. 

Maybe they are doing more work with Crestline?

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9/9/2025 9:22am

Maybe they are doing more work with Crestline?

They have another Avinox release in January, but could they also still release new Bosch frames concurrently? I think diversity is good but it's a lot to manage for a small operation. A lugged frame sure is sexy and from Crestline would be top notch. 

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9/9/2025 9:24am
MTBrent wrote:
[edit by @sspomer - revel asked that the photo be removed]She's a looker.It's interesting to see that it has a vertical shock layout, unlike their other...

[edit by @sspomer - revel asked that the photo be removed]

She's a looker.

It's interesting to see that it has a vertical shock layout, unlike their other offerings. 

I wonder if they're collaborating with Canfield? It looks a bit like the vampire

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9/9/2025 9:55am
Why do companies not make coil forks with progressive coil springs like how CC/DVO/MRP have done for their rear shocks? It feels wonderful for those who...

Why do companies not make coil forks with progressive coil springs like how CC/DVO/MRP have done for their rear shocks? It feels wonderful for those who are about that. At least as far as rear shocks go. But I have yet to buy a coil fork because I love a lot of progression and I worry Id get one and there would definitely be very little support. 

iceman2058 wrote:
Coil forks inherently behave very differently to coil shocks, simply because the shock is driven by some kind of linkage that greatly affects how it feels...

Coil forks inherently behave very differently to coil shocks, simply because the shock is driven by some kind of linkage that greatly affects how it feels in different sections of the stroke whereas the fork is 1 to 1 in terms of wheel travel to fork stroke (the stroke IS the travel). Coil forks ramp up a fair bit more than you'd think, reading all the "coil is linear" comments. "Linear" doesn't mean that it lacks ramp...it just means that it doesn't get PROGRESSIVELY harder to compress. You still need way more force to compress the last bit of coil travel compared to the first. I don't feel like there's a huge need for progressive fork springs, but some kind of HBO device would indeed be cool...especially if it could kick in quite early in the stroke to be used to add mid-to-end stroke support while running a lighter coil...

I've tried a lot of the coil forks on the market and I feel like HBO/air bottomouts/etc are generally unneeded for the type of rider that coil is suited for. The air trapped in the lowers can be used to adjust some level of progression, but IMO neither HBO or the other options really justify their tradeoffs.

If you try too hard to make a coil fork as progressive (or close to) as an air fork then you end up with a heavy fork that feels like an air fork. I would personally prefer conversions that keep the nature of coil as close as possible without pulling in the drawbacks of a second damper or airspring, which are largely unneeded for most. Ohlins has an interesting solution using a spacer on one side to reduce lower volume and IMO it works well, but oil should be usable also as previously mentioned. Anything else is added complexity, friction, weight, and temperature sensitivity with little added benefit IMO

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9/9/2025 1:14pm
MTBrent wrote:
[edit by @sspomer - revel asked that the photo be removed]She's a looker.It's interesting to see that it has a vertical shock layout, unlike their other...

[edit by @sspomer - revel asked that the photo be removed]

She's a looker.

It's interesting to see that it has a vertical shock layout, unlike their other offerings. 

I wonder if they're collaborating with Canfield? It looks a bit like the vampire

TL;DR This might be Chris Canfield's new CF1 system, that is similar to a horts link with the cbf magic.

I did some thorough research of Chris' Patents and Applications after seeing this, because it defienetly is not CF3 or Standard CBF, and it is not the CFZero that he has a pending applicaton for. But it could be the CF1 listed on the suspension formulas website that says it's coming on "Hellion" bikes, that there are no public photos of yet. It looks like a Vampire because it likely is without the adjustable pivot point/travel.

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9/9/2025 2:22pm

This is a message board where Pinkbike sources their news

I will concede “articles” was doing a bit of extra work there

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9/9/2025 6:41pm

Looks to be pretty much a copy of the SB One G3C chain tensioner that's been available for a few years now.

https://www.sbonebikeparts.com/sb-one-chain-tensioner/dh-chain-tensioner-225.html

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