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dolface
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7/4/2025 10:54am
krabo83 wrote:
IMG 2986

Region-specific pricing I guess?

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7/4/2025 11:09am

You're missing the part where they deduct 20% VAT.

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7/4/2025 11:12am

when will americans finally learn that euro prices ARE ALWAYS WITH FUCKING VAT!? 

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7/4/2025 11:17am
sethimus wrote:

when will americans finally learn that euro prices ARE ALWAYS WITH FUCKING VAT!? 

When sales tax is included in the prices here...

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7/4/2025 11:20am
sethimus wrote:

when will americans finally learn that euro prices ARE ALWAYS WITH FUCKING VAT!? 

Probably around the same time you start being civil...

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7/4/2025 11:24am
TimBud wrote:
So Sram are playing with a lighter pull setup... Even though "everyone" swears blind that the heavy pull is the bESt thINg EvAr. This U-turn is...

So Sram are playing with a lighter pull setup... Even though "everyone" swears blind that the heavy pull is the bESt thINg EvAr. This U-turn is nearly as funny as the "we will never make a mineral oil brake".

They would make an incredible political party with plays like this.

 

It's really funny that SRAM's sponsored elite riders are going for a setup that's less bitey with a lighter lever feel, because I got downvoted to...

It's really funny that SRAM's sponsored elite riders are going for a setup that's less bitey with a lighter lever feel, because I got downvoted to hell on the other site for saying that the initial heavy bite was a bad thing.

DServy wrote:
It’s almost like people prefer different things out of their brakes and that it would be beneficial to the company to provide as many different lever...

It’s almost like people prefer different things out of their brakes and that it would be beneficial to the company to provide as many different lever feels out of a brake as possible. What a novel concept! The fact that they can provide as many different options with the same general architecture is a sign of some pretty damn good engineering, and I want to highlight when things are done well in the bike industry. I like the feel of Mavens as is, so does everyone I talk to. Some people might not and guess what? All those opinions are okay.

What grinds my gears is this dogmatic approach people have to everything around how their bikes are set up. Like their preferences are the only truth in the world. So you think the mavens level pull is heavy? I don’t. Is it worth derailing tech rumors to talk about how vindicated you feel and how its proof that SRAM engineers are a bunch of crayon eaters who “don’t bike no good?” 

In times like this I’m always reminded of the fact that “Opinions are like Aholes, everyone has them and their full of poop.”

Now: Back to the rumors.

What do you think is the likelihood of a 30t compatible OChain is? 

I think what you meant to say was: Maven’s have heavy lever feel but maybe some people don’t mind or even like it. There is no denying it is heavy compared to others. That’s a fact. The resulting emotions are debatable. 

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7/4/2025 12:38pm
DServy wrote:
It’s almost like people prefer different things out of their brakes and that it would be beneficial to the company to provide as many different lever...

It’s almost like people prefer different things out of their brakes and that it would be beneficial to the company to provide as many different lever feels out of a brake as possible. What a novel concept! The fact that they can provide as many different options with the same general architecture is a sign of some pretty damn good engineering, and I want to highlight when things are done well in the bike industry. I like the feel of Mavens as is, so does everyone I talk to. Some people might not and guess what? All those opinions are okay.

What grinds my gears is this dogmatic approach people have to everything around how their bikes are set up. Like their preferences are the only truth in the world. So you think the mavens level pull is heavy? I don’t. Is it worth derailing tech rumors to talk about how vindicated you feel and how its proof that SRAM engineers are a bunch of crayon eaters who “don’t bike no good?” 

In times like this I’m always reminded of the fact that “Opinions are like Aholes, everyone has them and their full of poop.”

Now: Back to the rumors.

What do you think is the likelihood of a 30t compatible OChain is? 

Kinda like was Cascade comes out with a link.. It doesn't mean the stock linkage sucks, but they made something to make it feel good according...

Kinda like was Cascade comes out with a link.. It doesn't mean the stock linkage sucks, but they made something to make it feel good according to their preferences.. When you get to the WC level, those rider's are looking for 10ths and 100ths of second and tweaking things in a way a lot of us wouldn't understand..

As for the 30t Ochain, wouldn't a 104 bcd 30t ring work? Or is there something with the Ochain design that prevents that? Haven't looked at one enough or in person to know..

Its been a while since I looked at this but clearances to the bolt holes get tight when you go smaller than 32t on a 104bcd 

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7/4/2025 12:39pm
chriskief wrote:

Speaking of Cascade... the Levo 4 is going long.

Anyone else not surprised to see this?

I mean, I see a dhx2 in there and read it as "new long shock kit snaps"......

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7/4/2025 12:44pm
DServy wrote:
It’s almost like people prefer different things out of their brakes and that it would be beneficial to the company to provide as many different lever...

It’s almost like people prefer different things out of their brakes and that it would be beneficial to the company to provide as many different lever feels out of a brake as possible. What a novel concept! The fact that they can provide as many different options with the same general architecture is a sign of some pretty damn good engineering, and I want to highlight when things are done well in the bike industry. I like the feel of Mavens as is, so does everyone I talk to. Some people might not and guess what? All those opinions are okay.

What grinds my gears is this dogmatic approach people have to everything around how their bikes are set up. Like their preferences are the only truth in the world. So you think the mavens level pull is heavy? I don’t. Is it worth derailing tech rumors to talk about how vindicated you feel and how its proof that SRAM engineers are a bunch of crayon eaters who “don’t bike no good?” 

In times like this I’m always reminded of the fact that “Opinions are like Aholes, everyone has them and their full of poop.”

Now: Back to the rumors.

What do you think is the likelihood of a 30t compatible OChain is? 

DServy wrote:
Man, I emailed them like 3 times on the 30T compatibility of the Nero version and never got a consistent answer. I just chalked it up...

Man, I emailed them like 3 times on the 30T compatibility of the Nero version and never got a consistent answer. I just chalked it up to being lost in translation and I didn’t want to sink a bunch of money into a new Ochain that is basically the same as my current one. 

I remember going through the same ordeal and then giving one a try which worked even with T-Type. See my reply in this thread: https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/Ochain-on-an-enduro-bike,11551

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7/4/2025 1:23pm

finally a shimano clip pedal that might actually contact a shoe.(some shoes do as they flex or deep cleat pocket's)
or support oneup who make the best SPD pedal so far that you can actually rebuild.

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7/4/2025 1:59pm

Enduro pits randoms from the neighbour website has more Zeb pics, is that a mudguard mount that's not using tiny M3 screws ? Would be nice

 
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re: new zeb. I would guess there's nothing fancy going on in the bridge. Simply covers for the webbing when you're not using a fender, and a sleeker look when you are.

Thankfully moving to the Boxxer 24 style fender mounting, 3 bolts on almost the same plane made for a very floppy experience.

Nubbins on the crown and a plug in the steerer...

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7/4/2025 2:04pm
Goupil wrote:
Enduro pits randoms from the neighbour website has more Zeb pics, is that a mudguard mount that's not using tiny M3 screws ? Would be nice 

Enduro pits randoms from the neighbour website has more Zeb pics, is that a mudguard mount that's not using tiny M3 screws ? Would be nice

 
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I feel like there has to be something more going on with that bridge than just a new mudguard mount. 

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7/4/2025 2:22pm
re: new zeb. I would guess there's nothing fancy going on in the bridge. Simply covers for the webbing when you're not using a fender, and...
p0pb28401031.jpg?VersionId=sCADvKZf6y7HjdRKxRw7BVEFX

re: new zeb. I would guess there's nothing fancy going on in the bridge. Simply covers for the webbing when you're not using a fender, and a sleeker look when you are.

Thankfully moving to the Boxxer 24 style fender mounting, 3 bolts on almost the same plane made for a very floppy experience.

Nubbins on the crown and a plug in the steerer...

The plug in the steerer is a Rimpact mass damper, the nubbins on the crown are odd, no idea what that is. 

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7/4/2025 5:48pm
re: new zeb. I would guess there's nothing fancy going on in the bridge. Simply covers for the webbing when you're not using a fender, and...
p0pb28401031.jpg?VersionId=sCADvKZf6y7HjdRKxRw7BVEFX

re: new zeb. I would guess there's nothing fancy going on in the bridge. Simply covers for the webbing when you're not using a fender, and a sleeker look when you are.

Thankfully moving to the Boxxer 24 style fender mounting, 3 bolts on almost the same plane made for a very floppy experience.

Nubbins on the crown and a plug in the steerer...

Finkill wrote:

The plug in the steerer is a Rimpact mass damper, the nubbins on the crown are odd, no idea what that is. 

Sure look like pressure release valves.

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7/4/2025 6:27pm

Level of Future has released a website that goes into more info on their Flexstab bars: https://leveloffuture.com/

Not much info on availability for the public. I've reached out, these may save riding for me, so I'm pretty anxious to get more info on when they'll be available. They look really promising for people with wrist/hand/elbow problems.

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7/5/2025 12:41am
ente wrote:
finally a shimano clip pedal that might actually contact a shoe.(some shoes do as they flex or deep cleat pocket's)or support oneup who make the best...

finally a shimano clip pedal that might actually contact a shoe.(some shoes do as they flex or deep cleat pocket's)
or support oneup who make the best SPD pedal so far that you can actually rebuild.

For some reason they still have the pins/platforms on two different levels though, something which I already hate with the Saint pedal as well.

I am currently using the oneup pedals, super happy with them - Want to put them on a new build but they are out of stock eternally.

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Shinook wrote:
Level of Future has released a website that goes into more info on their Flexstab bars: https://leveloffuture.com/Not much info on availability for the public. I've...

Level of Future has released a website that goes into more info on their Flexstab bars: https://leveloffuture.com/

Not much info on availability for the public. I've reached out, these may save riding for me, so I'm pretty anxious to get more info on when they'll be available. They look really promising for people with wrist/hand/elbow problems.

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7/5/2025 1:34am
Shinook wrote:
Level of Future has released a website that goes into more info on their Flexstab bars: https://leveloffuture.com/Not much info on availability for the public. I've...

Level of Future has released a website that goes into more info on their Flexstab bars: https://leveloffuture.com/

Not much info on availability for the public. I've reached out, these may save riding for me, so I'm pretty anxious to get more info on when they'll be available. They look really promising for people with wrist/hand/elbow problems.

Is there a plain image of the bars anywhere? I tried finding it on their website but on mobile that thing is a nightmare.

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7/5/2025 3:08am
ente wrote:
finally a shimano clip pedal that might actually contact a shoe.(some shoes do as they flex or deep cleat pocket's)or support oneup who make the best...

finally a shimano clip pedal that might actually contact a shoe.(some shoes do as they flex or deep cleat pocket's)
or support oneup who make the best SPD pedal so far that you can actually rebuild.

Etney wrote:
For some reason they still have the pins/platforms on two different levels though, something which I already hate with the Saint pedal as well.I am currently...

For some reason they still have the pins/platforms on two different levels though, something which I already hate with the Saint pedal as well.

I am currently using the oneup pedals, super happy with them - Want to put them on a new build but they are out of stock eternally.

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front pins are lowerd to assist in 'toe down' entry which is something that has plagued the SPD pedal since it was invented.
the oneup's are also similar in that regard but Oneup changed the SPD mechanism to fix the initial movement float that has also plagued the SPD standard, combined with some actual shoe to platform They made SPD's great again.

It seems shimano in their arrogance have not updated their SPD but gone the way of using platform/pins to lock the platform to shoe.

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7/5/2025 6:18am Edited Date/Time 7/5/2025 6:20am
front pins are lowerd to assist in 'toe down' entry which is something that has plagued the SPD pedal since it was invented.the oneup's are also...

front pins are lowerd to assist in 'toe down' entry which is something that has plagued the SPD pedal since it was invented.
the oneup's are also similar in that regard but Oneup changed the SPD mechanism to fix the initial movement float that has also plagued the SPD standard, combined with some actual shoe to platform They made SPD's great again.

It seems shimano in their arrogance have not updated their SPD but gone the way of using platform/pins to lock the platform to shoe.

At least the Shimano mechanism is consistent and reliable.

I’ve generally had good luck with most OneUp products, but even after trying the fix kit they sent for these brand-new pedals, the unclipping mechanism still feels inconsistent.

I also doubt the pedals are truly “out of stock.” My guess is they pulled them from shelves because of the known issues and are working on another update. They never should have released the pedals in their current state.

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7/5/2025 7:34am

Any Information about the new Pivot high pivot bike with DJI? Should come this Winter…

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7/5/2025 7:46am
I would love to hear the feedback they got that lead to the Maven.. I haven't ridden them much, but they sound like the Saints I...

I would love to hear the feedback they got that lead to the Maven.. I haven't ridden them much, but they sound like the Saints I rode that the bite was right away.. Granted, that bite point had a tendency to change during the run... Tryin  to drag that brake took a really light touch. For me, my older TRP Quadiums are pretty much perfect.. I can feel the contact point and if I need more power, I squeeze a bit harder..I never need more than one finger on the lever. I did put in a set of Sram 2mm rotors so they hit a bit sooner.. Only downside is a bit of pad rub with fresh pads, but it goes away pretty quick..

I think the feedback is that a large percentage of riders were looking for the most powerful brakes/brake combo they could find. If you’re developing brakes...

I think the feedback is that a large percentage of riders were looking for the most powerful brakes/brake combo they could find. If you’re developing brakes you think “well what’s the far extreme of braking power look like? What does it look like if we make the most powerful brake on the market by a wide margin?” To some the power is unusable, but to others it’s exactly what they have been chasing after. Either way they kick the reputation they earned of having underpowered brakes.

They're still not the most powerful brakes on the market though... They're also heavy af, have a heavy lever pull and are ugly. It's all just marketing from SRAM as per

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7/5/2025 8:05am
ente wrote:
crgcrmny wrote:
New cleats with ramps on both sides too?

New cleats with ramps on both sides too?

IMG 2690

But somehow different compared to the current SH-56 cleat?

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7/5/2025 9:00am

Shimano MT001 MTB SPD Cleats Multi-Entry

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I would love to hear the feedback they got that lead to the Maven.. I haven't ridden them much, but they sound like the Saints I...

I would love to hear the feedback they got that lead to the Maven.. I haven't ridden them much, but they sound like the Saints I rode that the bite was right away.. Granted, that bite point had a tendency to change during the run... Tryin  to drag that brake took a really light touch. For me, my older TRP Quadiums are pretty much perfect.. I can feel the contact point and if I need more power, I squeeze a bit harder..I never need more than one finger on the lever. I did put in a set of Sram 2mm rotors so they hit a bit sooner.. Only downside is a bit of pad rub with fresh pads, but it goes away pretty quick..

I think the feedback is that a large percentage of riders were looking for the most powerful brakes/brake combo they could find. If you’re developing brakes...

I think the feedback is that a large percentage of riders were looking for the most powerful brakes/brake combo they could find. If you’re developing brakes you think “well what’s the far extreme of braking power look like? What does it look like if we make the most powerful brake on the market by a wide margin?” To some the power is unusable, but to others it’s exactly what they have been chasing after. Either way they kick the reputation they earned of having underpowered brakes.

Jacker123 wrote:
They're still not the most powerful brakes on the market though... They're also heavy af, have a heavy lever pull and are ugly. It's all just...

They're still not the most powerful brakes on the market though... They're also heavy af, have a heavy lever pull and are ugly. It's all just marketing from SRAM as per

Not the most powerful based on what? The Enduro-MTB lab test was badly done.


I have yet to see any good lab data disproving the butt-dyno.

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7/5/2025 10:17am
Primoz wrote:
It's very modified with a much higher main pivot and they are probably testing (trying out) a lower antirise value for whatever reason. There are for sure...

It's very modified with a much higher main pivot and they are probably testing (trying out) a lower antirise value for whatever reason. 

There are for sure reasons to try it out on a Horst link when you are developing the bike. 

@Primoz @CascadeComponents They've been playing around with a floating brake since Danny was on their frames. Thats what, 4 years now? After prototyping to find the AS levels they want, they can't just alter the rocker on the frame to get it natively?

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7/5/2025 10:31am
Shinook wrote:
Level of Future has released a website that goes into more info on their Flexstab bars: https://leveloffuture.com/Not much info on availability for the public. I've...

Level of Future has released a website that goes into more info on their Flexstab bars: https://leveloffuture.com/

Not much info on availability for the public. I've reached out, these may save riding for me, so I'm pretty anxious to get more info on when they'll be available. They look really promising for people with wrist/hand/elbow problems.

Primoz wrote:

I'm here for comfy handlebars but that seems excessive!  😯

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7/5/2025 10:34am
Primoz wrote:
It's very modified with a much higher main pivot and they are probably testing (trying out) a lower antirise value for whatever reason. There are for sure...

It's very modified with a much higher main pivot and they are probably testing (trying out) a lower antirise value for whatever reason. 

There are for sure reasons to try it out on a Horst link when you are developing the bike. 

@Primoz @CascadeComponents They've been playing around with a floating brake since Danny was on their frames. Thats what, 4 years now? After prototyping to find the...

@Primoz @CascadeComponents They've been playing around with a floating brake since Danny was on their frames. Thats what, 4 years now? After prototyping to find the AS levels they want, they can't just alter the rocker on the frame to get it natively?

I'm guessing that using a floating brake arm allows them to change the braking performance without affecting the rest of the kinematics so much.. Tweaking the rocker may result in compromising elsewhere..

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