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Wireless shimano stuff coming soon?

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Wireless shimano stuff coming soon?

Wireless shimano stuff coming soon?

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June.

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5/1/2025 11:02am
JerseyMojo wrote:

I have a feeling JTech are very heavily involved with the Intense Team, don’t could still be a 3d printed part for them..

They are local to Joe Breeden.

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5/1/2025 11:20am
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Anything to prevent creaking is a big hell yeah from me. I've beat this poor horse to death, but single crown forks shouldn't be a disposable...

Anything to prevent creaking is a big hell yeah from me. I've beat this poor horse to death, but single crown forks shouldn't be a disposable item for the bigger and/or smashier set.

It seems like a thread-on crown race that in turn squeezes a flanged steer tube around the upper crown could fully prevent creaking when combined with this one-piece upper.  

Shoots, you might even be able to use a 1 1/8 without creaking with this design, allowing a massive amount of headset adjustment options. I wrote it here, can't be patented, let's make a standard, lol. 

Keeping the racenut from unthreading is likely the 'no it won't work' challenge. Here's a quick sketch, tell me why this idea is either stupid or workable - I'm not an egineer I just overthink everything all the time.

CSU threading racenut

Creaking can come from any of the 3 tubes in the crown…  so ideally you’d address all of them at the same time.  I also think more parts=more problems.


The one piece is awesome but obviously not going to work for anything price sensitive.


I know RS did a ton of testing to try and fix creaking CSUs as it’s a significant warranty cost to them and also hurts image.  I believe we had warranty data showing good progress but yeah it still happens.  My Zeb is loud AF.  Haha

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5/1/2025 12:07pm
Kapolczer wrote:
Looks like Intend is working on a 1-piece upper design.

Looks like Intend is working on a 1-piece upper design. IMG 9281

JVP wrote:
Anything to prevent creaking is a big hell yeah from me. I've beat this poor horse to death, but single crown forks shouldn't be a disposable...

Anything to prevent creaking is a big hell yeah from me. I've beat this poor horse to death, but single crown forks shouldn't be a disposable item for the bigger and/or smashier set.

It seems like a thread-on crown race that in turn squeezes a flanged steer tube around the upper crown could fully prevent creaking when combined with this one-piece upper.  

Shoots, you might even be able to use a 1 1/8 without creaking with this design, allowing a massive amount of headset adjustment options. I wrote it here, can't be patented, let's make a standard, lol. 

Keeping the racenut from unthreading is likely the 'no it won't work' challenge. Here's a quick sketch, tell me why this idea is either stupid or workable - I'm not an egineer I just overthink everything all the time.

CSU threading racenut

The steering tube is the most highly stressed component on the fork and possibly the whole bike, so adding stress risers in the form of threads is a non-starter. 

I think creaking can be nearly eliminated in the current design, but at the moment it comes down to the balance of increased production cost/time vs warranty cost/exposure for the big guys.

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5/1/2025 12:10pm Edited Date/Time 5/2/2025 5:54pm
JVP wrote:
Anything to prevent creaking is a big hell yeah from me. I've beat this poor horse to death, but single crown forks shouldn't be a disposable...

Anything to prevent creaking is a big hell yeah from me. I've beat this poor horse to death, but single crown forks shouldn't be a disposable item for the bigger and/or smashier set.

It seems like a thread-on crown race that in turn squeezes a flanged steer tube around the upper crown could fully prevent creaking when combined with this one-piece upper.  

Shoots, you might even be able to use a 1 1/8 without creaking with this design, allowing a massive amount of headset adjustment options. I wrote it here, can't be patented, let's make a standard, lol. 

Keeping the racenut from unthreading is likely the 'no it won't work' challenge. Here's a quick sketch, tell me why this idea is either stupid or workable - I'm not an egineer I just overthink everything all the time.

CSU threading racenut

Intend make a press in version of what you're describing. Pressing this in is likely much easier than threading:

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Also I'm sure this was unintended, but I got a laugh from this, maybe you'll find it funny too:

@JVP words: "...can't be patented, let's make a standard..." 

@JVP picture: "Copyright...All Rights Reserved" 

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Looks like the part is machined but it really doubt it's cast - works for lower on rsu forks, wouldn't work for the crown and steerer. And with Intend sales numbers die casting anything (to get a decent casting quality) is a no go. Better to just start off with a block of aluminium.

As for threaded crown race, no way are you putting enough axial force on that thread to make it work better than a pressed in interference fit that we have these days... 

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5/1/2025 12:44pm

Yeah, so dual crowns I guess. Turning diameter on eebs is probably stopping that progress. Oh well, I'm getting old and can afford replacing forks on the regular. Still feels wasteful and CSUs are in need of an elegant (aka robust and affordable) solution.

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5/1/2025 1:32pm
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Isn't the Rockshox RS-1 already a single piece (carbon) inverted fork? And those failed carbon linkage forks from a few years ago?

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5/1/2025 2:08pm Edited Date/Time 5/1/2025 2:08pm

Sorry for using the other site here -edit I know they have been posted before 1000037604 1

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whitesq wrote:
The steering tube is the most highly stressed component on the fork and possibly the whole bike, so adding stress risers in the form of threads...

The steering tube is the most highly stressed component on the fork and possibly the whole bike, so adding stress risers in the form of threads is a non-starter. 

I think creaking can be nearly eliminated in the current design, but at the moment it comes down to the balance of increased production cost/time vs warranty cost/exposure for the big guys.

I think a lot of the issue is oem concern about weight and stack height. 
 

Make the crown height 2x taller and add wall thickness to crown, steerer and stanchions I’ll bet you solve the problem completely.   

Easier said than done though.  Forks would be taller and heavier for same travel. 
 

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5/1/2025 2:17pm Edited Date/Time 5/1/2025 2:19pm
whitesq wrote:
The steering tube is the most highly stressed component on the fork and possibly the whole bike, so adding stress risers in the form of threads...

The steering tube is the most highly stressed component on the fork and possibly the whole bike, so adding stress risers in the form of threads is a non-starter. 

I think creaking can be nearly eliminated in the current design, but at the moment it comes down to the balance of increased production cost/time vs warranty cost/exposure for the big guys.

Dave_Camp wrote:
I think a lot of the issue is oem concern about weight and stack height.  Make the crown height 2x taller and add wall thickness to crown...

I think a lot of the issue is oem concern about weight and stack height. 
 

Make the crown height 2x taller and add wall thickness to crown, steerer and stanchions I’ll bet you solve the problem completely.   

Easier said than done though.  Forks would be taller and heavier for same travel. 
 

My warranty replacement Zeb CSU crown is thicker around the steerer tube and the flat area around the crown race is now wider than the headset cup. Hopefully this makes it less prone to creaking, but making the interfaces taller would be way more effective as you say. 

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5/1/2025 2:26pm Edited Date/Time 5/1/2025 2:28pm
Primoz wrote:
Looks like the part is machined but it really doubt it's cast - works for lower on rsu forks, wouldn't work for the crown and steerer...

Looks like the part is machined but it really doubt it's cast - works for lower on rsu forks, wouldn't work for the crown and steerer. And with Intend sales numbers die casting anything (to get a decent casting quality) is a no go. Better to just start off with a block of aluminium.

As for threaded crown race, no way are you putting enough axial force on that thread to make it work better than a pressed in interference fit that we have these days... 

Yeah its definitely not cast. Im guessing they (radoxx who machines them) has a wide block of billet aluminium, and machine out several rough forks, and then put each one through the operations in a 5axis machine

The "legs" also have way rougher machining marks than the normal forks do, most likely since its one piece, they cant put the legs in a lathe, but rather has to have the cnc machine swivel around the leg to remove material. 

I believe they also use the regular steerer pressed in like the other forks.

Will be a limited edition run, orders opening in a few weeks 

They probably start off by cutting them out of a block like this:

 

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tdawg wrote:
Sorry for using the other site here -edit I know they have been posted before

Sorry for using the other site here -edit I know they have been posted before 1000037604 1

Looks like a similar Photoshop style as the earlier pic

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5/1/2025 9:10pm

Just went through an official article for a Commencal Meta Power with 180/180mm and a 800kWh battery, and my news feed refreshed itself. Stupid Facebook doesn’t show anything now…

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tdawg wrote:
Sorry for using the other site here -edit I know they have been posted before

Sorry for using the other site here -edit I know they have been posted before 1000037604 1

dolface wrote:
Looks like a similar Photoshop style as the earlier pic

Looks like a similar Photoshop style as the earlier pic

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This was mentioned earlier, but the rotors are installed the opposite way to what we typically see on mountain bikes.

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Any word on the new TQ HPR motor?

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Wireless shimano stuff coming soon?

Wireless shimano stuff coming soon?

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mtbboy1993 wrote:
https://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=171477&start=60If that's Shimano wireless it might be this:But I don't think I will like it. I love the ergonomics of Archer D1X Trail paddle remote. 

https://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=171477&start=60

If that's Shimano wireless it might be this:

But I don't think I will like it. I love the ergonomics of Archer D1X Trail paddle remote. 

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Interesting how transmission is lighter despite looking massive

XX SL w/ Battery = 441
Pod Ultimate w/ Discrete clamp = 47
488g vs 510g for this XTR Di2

On the topic of tech innovations, I guess we have gone "too far" when it comes to drivetrains. After 7 years of only using AXS, I recently installed the new SRAM mechanical transmission and really enjoying it. Much faster and just as smooth as the Transmission AXS stuff I have been using since launch. You can replace the cheaper components of the 90 groupset like cassette, pulleys and cranks with the higher end XX stuff and you got yourself a killer mechanical setup. Lack of B gap slap and strong clutch makes it some of the quietest setups on chunky terrain.

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5/2/2025 8:45am Edited Date/Time 5/2/2025 9:03am

Some new info regarding the Intend one piece fork - Will not be limited per se, but they will open pre-orders, and produce as many as people order. Will only do one production run.

Price around €3000

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5/2/2025 9:36am
dolface wrote:
Looks like a similar Photoshop style as the earlier pic

Looks like a similar Photoshop style as the earlier pic

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... I don't think there's any photoshop, I think that bit that looks like "photoshop artifact" is the hitch for the truck.

The spokes look too perfect, the background too uniform, it's just that "artifact" that I think is a clean hitch on a dirty truck

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dolface wrote:
Looks like a similar Photoshop style as the earlier pic

Looks like a similar Photoshop style as the earlier pic

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... I don't think there's any photoshop, I think that bit that looks like "photoshop artifact" is the hitch for the truck.The spokes look too perfect...

... I don't think there's any photoshop, I think that bit that looks like "photoshop artifact" is the hitch for the truck.

The spokes look too perfect, the background too uniform, it's just that "artifact" that I think is a clean hitch on a dirty truck

Hmm, then where's the caliper? 🤔

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5/2/2025 10:01am Edited Date/Time 5/2/2025 10:01am
dolface wrote:

Hmm, then where's the caliper? 🤔

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Just went through an official article for a Commencal Meta Power with 180/180mm and a 800kWh battery, and my news feed refreshed itself. Stupid Facebook doesn’t...

Just went through an official article for a Commencal Meta Power with 180/180mm and a 800kWh battery, and my news feed refreshed itself. Stupid Facebook doesn’t show anything now…

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sprungmass wrote:
Interesting how transmission is lighter despite looking massiveXX SL w/ Battery = 441Pod Ultimate w/ Discrete clamp = 47488g vs 510g for this XTR Di2On the...

Interesting how transmission is lighter despite looking massive

XX SL w/ Battery = 441
Pod Ultimate w/ Discrete clamp = 47
488g vs 510g for this XTR Di2

On the topic of tech innovations, I guess we have gone "too far" when it comes to drivetrains. After 7 years of only using AXS, I recently installed the new SRAM mechanical transmission and really enjoying it. Much faster and just as smooth as the Transmission AXS stuff I have been using since launch. You can replace the cheaper components of the 90 groupset like cassette, pulleys and cranks with the higher end XX stuff and you got yourself a killer mechanical setup. Lack of B gap slap and strong clutch makes it some of the quietest setups on chunky terrain.

It's a shame they don't make a higher end shifter, the 90 feels ok, but it's not like an X01 eagle cable

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5/2/2025 1:51pm Edited Date/Time 5/2/2025 1:52pm
sprungmass wrote:
Interesting how transmission is lighter despite looking massiveXX SL w/ Battery = 441Pod Ultimate w/ Discrete clamp = 47488g vs 510g for this XTR Di2On the...

Interesting how transmission is lighter despite looking massive

XX SL w/ Battery = 441
Pod Ultimate w/ Discrete clamp = 47
488g vs 510g for this XTR Di2

On the topic of tech innovations, I guess we have gone "too far" when it comes to drivetrains. After 7 years of only using AXS, I recently installed the new SRAM mechanical transmission and really enjoying it. Much faster and just as smooth as the Transmission AXS stuff I have been using since launch. You can replace the cheaper components of the 90 groupset like cassette, pulleys and cranks with the higher end XX stuff and you got yourself a killer mechanical setup. Lack of B gap slap and strong clutch makes it some of the quietest setups on chunky terrain.

The new XTR is massive as well. Looked as big if not bigger than Transmission

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Rob warners latest video of a factory visit to hope

In the last part of the vid he shoves his camera close to the back of the bike, and then says "oops lets not zoom in too much"

Not sure if he hints at the brake or the derailleur, is that the new saint derailleur or another brand? 

Also, the brakes "GB4" not a brake currently in Hopes lineup afaik, so is that possibly the new name for the ones spotted earlier in this thread? The ones with a bleed port in the lever?

 

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nskerb wrote:
Does anybody have scoops on the southern gravity DH bike?. Some old post sounded wishy washy on if they would sell to public. But their website...
Does anybody have scoops on the southern gravity DH bike?. Some old post sounded wishy washy on if they would sell to public. But their website has some “enter password” to access deal. It looks sick tho. Can’t post a picture cause I’m retarded and on my phone but look up southern gravity on Instagram.

You can also check out the video on Sean's youtube channel about the southern gravity bikes.  Cool stuff

 

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5/2/2025 7:17pm
Etney wrote:
Rob warners latest video of a factory visit to hopeIn the last part of the vid he shoves his camera close to the back of the...

Rob warners latest video of a factory visit to hope

In the last part of the vid he shoves his camera close to the back of the bike, and then says "oops lets not zoom in too much"

Not sure if he hints at the brake or the derailleur, is that the new saint derailleur or another brand? 

Also, the brakes "GB4" not a brake currently in Hopes lineup afaik, so is that possibly the new name for the ones spotted earlier in this thread? The ones with a bleed port in the lever?

 

0f91c58ad6cd04e2dc2ddf3597fd18c6.png?VersionId=N0I6IuskE4YBHQn0CfB4

 

That is a Microshift derailleur. 

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sprungmass wrote:
Interesting how transmission is lighter despite looking massiveXX SL w/ Battery = 441Pod Ultimate w/ Discrete clamp = 47488g vs 510g for this XTR Di2On the...

Interesting how transmission is lighter despite looking massive

XX SL w/ Battery = 441
Pod Ultimate w/ Discrete clamp = 47
488g vs 510g for this XTR Di2

On the topic of tech innovations, I guess we have gone "too far" when it comes to drivetrains. After 7 years of only using AXS, I recently installed the new SRAM mechanical transmission and really enjoying it. Much faster and just as smooth as the Transmission AXS stuff I have been using since launch. You can replace the cheaper components of the 90 groupset like cassette, pulleys and cranks with the higher end XX stuff and you got yourself a killer mechanical setup. Lack of B gap slap and strong clutch makes it some of the quietest setups on chunky terrain.

Evil96 wrote:

It's a shame they don't make a higher end shifter, the 90 feels ok, but it's not like an X01 eagle cable

Has anybody compared cable pull ratios between the two? 

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