@CascadeComponents Hey, I get access to a university machine shop from September and I'm interested in making something similar to that rear end for either my...
@CascadeComponents Hey, I get access to a university machine shop from September and I'm interested in making something similar to that rear end for either my Vitus sommet or a custom bike I'm working on. Is there any way to get in touch?
Check your messages. Happy to answer any questions.
Speeding cars are normally caught by speed cameras or cops with radar guns, doubt that there are going to be cops on trails checking the bikes...
Speeding cars are normally caught by speed cameras or cops with radar guns, doubt that there are going to be cops on trails checking the bikes. The fact that bikes have speed restriction and cars do not is a puzzle in this day and age.
There have been for years in the certain areas of the Bay Area. 20MPH speed limits, for all bikes, are enforced.
The capable pedal assisted speed of an e-bike on a trail is not doing nearly as much damage to the trail as riders with poor braking...
The capable pedal assisted speed of an e-bike on a trail is not doing nearly as much damage to the trail as riders with poor braking skills. Or the group ride that's stomping around the sides of the trail to get videos, making the trail more susceptible to erosion. It's 3mph. I can pee 3mph. I've also had a head on collision requiring facial reconstruction surgery. 3mph wouldn't have made my face any less jacked up.
The concern isn't erosion, its increased negative interaction with hikers, equestrians, etc, and the potential that someone gets caught with a class 3 ebike where only class 1 ebikes are permitted, and the authorities just decide to ban all ebikes (or mountain bikes in general) in that area.
I have yet to see or hear of this actually happening.
Isn’t that just like any town/city centre… plenty of mixed use there… even more so
It isn't. Hikers aren't expecting bikes to be passing them uphill at almost 30MPH just like pedestrians aren't expecting cars to be passing them on the sidewalks.
It isn't. Hikers aren't expecting bikes to be passing them uphill at almost 30MPH just like pedestrians aren't expecting cars to be passing them on the...
It isn't. Hikers aren't expecting bikes to be passing them uphill at almost 30MPH just like pedestrians aren't expecting cars to be passing them on the sidewalks.
I think mtb riders are finally experiencing what hikers have felt since we started riding their trails. Having a bike pass you at 15mph when you walking or stopped on the trail isn’t all that different from being on an analog and having an eeb pass at 20. Now the eebs are pissed because Expensive Eebs will pass them at 28? Welcome to the club.
Can we all agree that horses are way worse than class 3 eebs? I’d love for us to all rally around a common cause rather than let the man divide and conquer us
It makes me so happy I lost my marbles and started ranting about 4Bar bikes. I mean crab bikes. I always wondered when a company would embrace this new way
It makes me so happy I lost my marbles and started ranting about 4Bar bikes. I mean crab bikes. I always wondered when a company would...
It makes me so happy I lost my marbles and started ranting about 4Bar bikes. I mean crab bikes. I always wondered when a company would embrace this new way
Now all it needs is an endorsement from Horst Leitner himself.
It isn't. Hikers aren't expecting bikes to be passing them uphill at almost 30MPH just like pedestrians aren't expecting cars to be passing them on the...
It isn't. Hikers aren't expecting bikes to be passing them uphill at almost 30MPH just like pedestrians aren't expecting cars to be passing them on the sidewalks.
Hikers/walkers/runners generally don't expect anyone else to be on the trail when they are, regardless of speed.
Runners in particular can get incredibly upset if they have to adjust their pace for whatever reason.
Whenever I'm on my bike and I meet other users (except bikes
), I always slow down and try to be courteous. Even then the amount of people on foot that are completely oblivious to their surroundings never ceases to amaze me
People is going to keep behaving like people, but as a society we already advanced enough to reduce the effect some of the most elemental laws of nature can enforce on us in order to keep the fool everybody has inside, under check.
It isn't. Hikers aren't expecting bikes to be passing them uphill at almost 30MPH just like pedestrians aren't expecting cars to be passing them on the...
It isn't. Hikers aren't expecting bikes to be passing them uphill at almost 30MPH just like pedestrians aren't expecting cars to be passing them on the sidewalks.
I think mtb riders are finally experiencing what hikers have felt since we started riding their trails. Having a bike pass you at 15mph when you...
I think mtb riders are finally experiencing what hikers have felt since we started riding their trails. Having a bike pass you at 15mph when you walking or stopped on the trail isn’t all that different from being on an analog and having an eeb pass at 20. Now the eebs are pissed because Expensive Eebs will pass them at 28? Welcome to the club.
Can we all agree that horses are way worse than class 3 eebs? I’d love for us to all rally around a common cause rather than let the man divide and conquer us
+1 on the horse issue. They’re literally the single most destructive/disruptive user group I can think of (post holing and eroding everything they touch, shitting everywhere, easily scared, etc.) but they get minimal flack as far as I know because the user group is mainly rich old heads that have more influence over public land use in most places.
I also think a lot of these issues would be alleviated if local govt/land managers would allow/invest in more mtb specific trails and infrastructure. You look at areas like Bentonville Arkansas, Knoxville, TN and lots of other southern/southeastern cities where mtb is seen as an investment and there is much less tension/dislike between user groups because they have their own dedicated trails. Unfortunately in areas where they are shared, there will always be vocal hikers that spaz when they see a mountain biker riding at any speed because it makes them uncomfortable.
More trails, more common sense, and less anger would go a long way.
+1 on the horse issue. They’re literally the single most destructive/disruptive user group I can think of (post holing and eroding everything they touch, shitting everywhere...
+1 on the horse issue. They’re literally the single most destructive/disruptive user group I can think of (post holing and eroding everything they touch, shitting everywhere, easily scared, etc.) but they get minimal flack as far as I know because the user group is mainly rich old heads that have more influence over public land use in most places.
I also think a lot of these issues would be alleviated if local govt/land managers would allow/invest in more mtb specific trails and infrastructure. You look at areas like Bentonville Arkansas, Knoxville, TN and lots of other southern/southeastern cities where mtb is seen as an investment and there is much less tension/dislike between user groups because they have their own dedicated trails. Unfortunately in areas where they are shared, there will always be vocal hikers that spaz when they see a mountain biker riding at any speed because it makes them uncomfortable.
More trails, more common sense, and less anger would go a long way.
Unfortunately hikers and walkers are oblivious to signage or restrictions. They think they can amble wherever they please.
Have a dedicated mtb trail system with restricted/gated entrance that says bikes only. There's frequently walkers/hikers strolling on it. Especially post covid. Another trail has marked exit that says no uphill, and do not enter because it's a dedicated fast "DH" with jumps on it and still catch walkers/hikers wandering up it.
gonna play devil's advocate x1000 here about levo speeds with the explicit mention that i don't care if anyone anywhere buys one, i would NEVER...
gonna play devil's advocate x1000 here about levo speeds with the explicit mention that i don't care if anyone anywhere buys one, i would NEVER buy one (who has nearly 5 figures to spend on a bicycle with or without a motor???), i'm painfully aware of the wrench this class 3 stuff throws into trail advocacy, i fully expect 87.69% of levo owners to be rallying illegally in class 3 and i fully expect downvotes to go skyhigh, but...
i own a toyota yaris (maybe 97mph top speed). a mid-life-crisis guy in a neighborhood down the way owns a ferrari (maybe 197mph top speed). we both drive on the same streets with speed limits considerably lower than the top speeds of our vehicles. if we get caught going over the speed limit, we risk citation. is LevoGate (TM) any different?
Devil's advocate x1001, when e-mountain bikes started getting better ('17-'19ish) I thought it might be cool to be able to ride one to work, then after work, ride to the trails and back home (10-15 miles singletrack & 15-20 miles flat paved trails).
Then I rode a class 1 ebike and realized the power basically cuts off just below the cruising speed on flat paved commuter trails. So at that point you're just commuting on a 50lb pedal bike with terrible rolling tires.
A class 3 bike you can commute to the trails with changes that equation.
Hikers/walkers/runners generally don't expect anyone else to be on the trail when they are, regardless of speed.Runners in particular can get incredibly upset if they have...
Hikers/walkers/runners generally don't expect anyone else to be on the trail when they are, regardless of speed.
Runners in particular can get incredibly upset if they have to adjust their pace for whatever reason.
Whenever I'm on my bike and I meet other users (except bikes
), I always slow down and try to be courteous. Even then the amount of people on foot that are completely oblivious to their surroundings never ceases to amaze me
This 100%
A few years ago (2017 or 18) when Sunday River in Maine was still a bike park in the summer I had to explain to a lady and her kids that she wasn’t on a hiking trail, but rather a dh tech trail that’s exclusively for bikes, and had to give the lesson on what the trail signs mean. Near the top of the mountain. That they used the ski lift to get to the top of. You just can’t fix stupid.
Theres this dude on the Wasatch Crest, a trail runner, typically up there before sunrise. White guy with dreads. He will not move for mountain bikes, if you try and move and aren't quick enough he will attempt to shoulder check you as hard as he can (luckily trail runners struggle to get their BMI above 20), refuses to make eye contact, etc.
Hikers constantly go up the Bobsled trail in SLC. They put traps and destroy features.
The Suncrest official, dedicated, signs up everywhere, DH trails still get hikers on them.
Motos do more damage than horses, and all the best trails around me allow motos.
I and most the people I know on mountain bikes regularly poach "hiking only" trails.
Ironically, equestrians follow the law the strictest because they have the highest cost for non-compliance.
I guess my point is public land access is always going to be a problem. Look up "tragedy of the commons". Dedicated use trails probably helps, but isn't going to solve the issue and every new, dedicated mountain bike trail thats sanctioned sucks hard (nothing but flow trails or WoW). None of us want a police state on the trails either. The only real solution is to be as polite as possible to others on the trail, and shame those mountain bikers who aren't.
Actual tech rumor: when the Specialized motor is in Class 3 mode, the peak power is 1/3 of what it is in Class 1. So if a rider puts it in Class 3 mode, they will need to substantially increase their output. I'm guessing most ppl who actually purchase ebikes won't be able to accomplish this.
Actual tech rumor: when the Specialized motor is in Class 3 mode, the peak power is 1/3 of what it is in Class 1. So if...
Actual tech rumor: when the Specialized motor is in Class 3 mode, the peak power is 1/3 of what it is in Class 1. So if a rider puts it in Class 3 mode, they will need to substantially increase their output. I'm guessing most ppl who actually purchase ebikes won't be able to accomplish this.
Can anyone confirm?
lol no, learn the difference between nominal and peak power
Actual tech rumor: when the Specialized motor is in Class 3 mode, the peak power is 1/3 of what it is in Class 1. So if...
Actual tech rumor: when the Specialized motor is in Class 3 mode, the peak power is 1/3 of what it is in Class 1. So if a rider puts it in Class 3 mode, they will need to substantially increase their output. I'm guessing most ppl who actually purchase ebikes won't be able to accomplish this.
Actual tech rumor: when the Specialized motor is in Class 3 mode, the peak power is 1/3 of what it is in Class 1. So if...
Actual tech rumor: when the Specialized motor is in Class 3 mode, the peak power is 1/3 of what it is in Class 1. So if a rider puts it in Class 3 mode, they will need to substantially increase their output. I'm guessing most ppl who actually purchase ebikes won't be able to accomplish this.
lol no, learn the difference between nominal and peak power
Man, thats a $hit response,
If youve got some knowledge, help the group out, especially if you know what youre talking about. If not, no need to respond at all. We are all here in this forum to learn and embrace new things. So go ahead and enlighten the group...
The biggest surprise to me is that there has been no spyshots posted (atleast that I have come across). Granted I dont know if there were any test mules outside of Vancouver Island.
The biggest surprise to me is that there has been no spyshots posted (atleast that I have come across). Granted I dont know if there were...
The biggest surprise to me is that there has been no spyshots posted (atleast that I have come across). Granted I dont know if there were any test mules outside of Vancouver Island.
The biggest surprise to me is that there has been no spyshots posted (atleast that I have come across). Granted I dont know if there were...
The biggest surprise to me is that there has been no spyshots posted (atleast that I have come across). Granted I dont know if there were any test mules outside of Vancouver Island.
Check your messages. Happy to answer any questions.
There have been for years in the certain areas of the Bay Area. 20MPH speed limits, for all bikes, are enforced.
the real question is why is there no vital crab-link shirt yet
The concern isn't erosion, its increased negative interaction with hikers, equestrians, etc, and the potential that someone gets caught with a class 3 ebike where only class 1 ebikes are permitted, and the authorities just decide to ban all ebikes (or mountain bikes in general) in that area.
I have yet to see or hear of this actually happening.
It isn't. Hikers aren't expecting bikes to be passing them uphill at almost 30MPH just like pedestrians aren't expecting cars to be passing them on the sidewalks.
I think mtb riders are finally experiencing what hikers have felt since we started riding their trails. Having a bike pass you at 15mph when you walking or stopped on the trail isn’t all that different from being on an analog and having an eeb pass at 20. Now the eebs are pissed because Expensive Eebs will pass them at 28? Welcome to the club.
Can we all agree that horses are way worse than class 3 eebs? I’d love for us to all rally around a common cause rather than let the man divide and conquer us
did neko's floating brake arm video ever get posted? if not, here it is
More Neko...
was there. 1. that bike park is so freaking sick (and the moody/wet conditions were all-time). 2. asa riding in person is a sight to behold.
It makes me so happy I lost my marbles and started ranting about 4Bar bikes. I mean crab bikes. I always wondered when a company would embrace this new way
Now all it needs is an endorsement from Horst Leitner himself.
Very similar to the old G2s?
Holy shit it's a big day for tech innovation (well sort of)
The crab link ad bought a smile to my face, I've been having a rough go lately and it lifted my spirits somewhat.
Hikers/walkers/runners generally don't expect anyone else to be on the trail when they are, regardless of speed.
Runners in particular can get incredibly upset if they have to adjust their pace for whatever reason.
Whenever I'm on my bike and I meet other users (except bikes
), I always slow down and try to be courteous. Even then the amount of people on foot that are completely oblivious to their surroundings never ceases to amaze me
MTB philosophical matters and innovation.
People is going to keep behaving like people, but as a society we already advanced enough to reduce the effect some of the most elemental laws of nature can enforce on us in order to keep the fool everybody has inside, under check.
+1 on the horse issue. They’re literally the single most destructive/disruptive user group I can think of (post holing and eroding everything they touch, shitting everywhere, easily scared, etc.) but they get minimal flack as far as I know because the user group is mainly rich old heads that have more influence over public land use in most places.
I also think a lot of these issues would be alleviated if local govt/land managers would allow/invest in more mtb specific trails and infrastructure. You look at areas like Bentonville Arkansas, Knoxville, TN and lots of other southern/southeastern cities where mtb is seen as an investment and there is much less tension/dislike between user groups because they have their own dedicated trails. Unfortunately in areas where they are shared, there will always be vocal hikers that spaz when they see a mountain biker riding at any speed because it makes them uncomfortable.
More trails, more common sense, and less anger would go a long way.
Unfortunately hikers and walkers are oblivious to signage or restrictions. They think they can amble wherever they please.
Have a dedicated mtb trail system with restricted/gated entrance that says bikes only. There's frequently walkers/hikers strolling on it. Especially post covid. Another trail has marked exit that says no uphill, and do not enter because it's a dedicated fast "DH" with jumps on it and still catch walkers/hikers wandering up it.
Devil's advocate x1001, when e-mountain bikes started getting better ('17-'19ish) I thought it might be cool to be able to ride one to work, then after work, ride to the trails and back home (10-15 miles singletrack & 15-20 miles flat paved trails).
Then I rode a class 1 ebike and realized the power basically cuts off just below the cruising speed on flat paved commuter trails. So at that point you're just commuting on a 50lb pedal bike with terrible rolling tires.
A class 3 bike you can commute to the trails with changes that equation.
Looks like we're deviating from Tech Rumours again.... 🤡
This 100%
A few years ago (2017 or 18) when Sunday River in Maine was still a bike park in the summer I had to explain to a lady and her kids that she wasn’t on a hiking trail, but rather a dh tech trail that’s exclusively for bikes, and had to give the lesson on what the trail signs mean. Near the top of the mountain. That they used the ski lift to get to the top of. You just can’t fix stupid.
Theres this dude on the Wasatch Crest, a trail runner, typically up there before sunrise. White guy with dreads. He will not move for mountain bikes, if you try and move and aren't quick enough he will attempt to shoulder check you as hard as he can (luckily trail runners struggle to get their BMI above 20), refuses to make eye contact, etc.
Hikers constantly go up the Bobsled trail in SLC. They put traps and destroy features.
The Suncrest official, dedicated, signs up everywhere, DH trails still get hikers on them.
Motos do more damage than horses, and all the best trails around me allow motos.
I and most the people I know on mountain bikes regularly poach "hiking only" trails.
Ironically, equestrians follow the law the strictest because they have the highest cost for non-compliance.
I guess my point is public land access is always going to be a problem. Look up "tragedy of the commons". Dedicated use trails probably helps, but isn't going to solve the issue and every new, dedicated mountain bike trail thats sanctioned sucks hard (nothing but flow trails or WoW). None of us want a police state on the trails either. The only real solution is to be as polite as possible to others on the trail, and shame those mountain bikers who aren't.
Actual tech rumor: when the Specialized motor is in Class 3 mode, the peak power is 1/3 of what it is in Class 1. So if a rider puts it in Class 3 mode, they will need to substantially increase their output. I'm guessing most ppl who actually purchase ebikes won't be able to accomplish this.
Can anyone confirm?
lol no, learn the difference between nominal and peak power
Someone tell Specialized what they're briefing riders and marketing then
Most Levo riders I know already have the speed limiter removed thanks to the "dongle."
Haha… dongle…
Man, thats a $hit response,
If youve got some knowledge, help the group out, especially if you know what youre talking about. If not, no need to respond at all. We are all here in this forum to learn and embrace new things. So go ahead and enlighten the group...
The biggest surprise to me is that there has been no spyshots posted (atleast that I have come across). Granted I dont know if there were any test mules outside of Vancouver Island.
Me likely! Looks like a high-pivot version of the Orbea Wild!