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4/1/2025 11:14pm
haen wrote:
Pivot dropped a video on YouTube.   

Pivot dropped a video on YouTube. 
 


 

I like how they specced all Ride kits with old X2.... heh 🙄

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4/1/2025 11:49pm Edited Date/Time 4/1/2025 11:51pm

Cool bike, but Pivot and Santa Cruz are shooting themselves in the foot by only producing Enduro and DH bikes in Carbon Fiber. Most people don't want to baby a long travel rig everywhere they go, they just want to ride it. Go ahead and down vote this post, I don't care.

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4/1/2025 11:56pm
Cool bike, but Pivot and Santa Cruz are shooting themselves in the foot by only producing Enduro and DH bikes in Carbon Fiber. Most people don't...

Cool bike, but Pivot and Santa Cruz are shooting themselves in the foot by only producing Enduro and DH bikes in Carbon Fiber. Most people don't want to baby a long travel rig everywhere they go, they just want to ride it. Go ahead and down vote this post, I don't care.

I used to be of the same mindset, having just broken an aluminium enduro bike, I'm not so sure anymore. 

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4/2/2025 12:01am
Cool bike, but Pivot and Santa Cruz are shooting themselves in the foot by only producing Enduro and DH bikes in Carbon Fiber. Most people don't...

Cool bike, but Pivot and Santa Cruz are shooting themselves in the foot by only producing Enduro and DH bikes in Carbon Fiber. Most people don't want to baby a long travel rig everywhere they go, they just want to ride it. Go ahead and down vote this post, I don't care.

What do you mean baby a long travel rig? Have you seen what material gravity race bikes have been made from for the last........10 years? I've seen more catastrophically broken alloy bikes in that time, and Pivot/Santa Cruz customers just plain don't want Aluminium anyway

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4/2/2025 12:22am Edited Date/Time 4/2/2025 12:28am
Evil96 wrote:
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alannz wrote:
Love the paint colors, and the frame looks very svelte even with their in-frame storage. Hoping the geo is better in the larger sizes, especially the...

Love the paint colors, and the frame looks very svelte even with their in-frame storage. Hoping the geo is better in the larger sizes, especially the stack to reach ratio 🤞🏽 

1000022404

Geo looks pretty solid to me, I like the XL with the 445 stays (low bb mx wheels) 

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4/2/2025 12:39am
Cool bike, but Pivot and Santa Cruz are shooting themselves in the foot by only producing Enduro and DH bikes in Carbon Fiber. Most people don't...

Cool bike, but Pivot and Santa Cruz are shooting themselves in the foot by only producing Enduro and DH bikes in Carbon Fiber. Most people don't want to baby a long travel rig everywhere they go, they just want to ride it. Go ahead and down vote this post, I don't care.

Finkill wrote:

I used to be of the same mindset, having just broken an aluminium enduro bike, I'm not so sure anymore. 

Yep, I got sick of cracking alloy bikes so Been on Carbon only unless the bike i want to test only comes in alloy.
Think I've cracked pretty much every alloy bike i've owned except for the new Marin alpine & a merida

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4/2/2025 5:17am Edited Date/Time 4/2/2025 5:18am

Want to be a carbon hater as much as the next guy, but only frame I've broken was full carbon except the chainstays, which broke. (strength where it matters amirite?) Happened on hard turning/breaking, not a big drop or harsh bottom out.

I do think Atherton is onto something truly innovative with the S range. They're the only bikes that can tempt me at full price at the present moment.

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Evil96 wrote:
IMG 8072IMG 8071 0.jpeg?VersionId=xTO.7xrogGL52ZgCCDPQo2HIMG 8070 0IMG 8069.jpeg?VersionId=KsH6Zv7IMG 8068.jpeg?VersionId=UCwHQKQk85dZmttgjIMG 8067.jpeg?VersionId=fCIMG 8066.jpeg?VersionId=10AOWdZ0u4TXTCS8eyrUuM5RYHdel
alannz wrote:
Love the paint colors, and the frame looks very svelte even with their in-frame storage. Hoping the geo is better in the larger sizes, especially the...

Love the paint colors, and the frame looks very svelte even with their in-frame storage. Hoping the geo is better in the larger sizes, especially the stack to reach ratio 🤞🏽 

Eae903 wrote:
Geo looks pretty solid to me, I like the XL with the 445 stays (low bb mx wheels) 
1000022404

Geo looks pretty solid to me, I like the XL with the 445 stays (low bb mx wheels) 

100% that’s a big improvement for XL too!

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4/2/2025 5:19am

Kate Courtney is in Brazil already, posted a ride 31/3 with a pic of what I guess is her regular BC40 with red SIDs. 
Yesterday 1/4 posted a ride called new bike day, she’s Called the bike BC40 sparkle, can only see that it’s got purple-ish forks; and has otherwise kept the bike hidden. 
Possibly new, possibly just a custom paint job, possibly new rockshox stuff about to be revealed?

IMG 3786.png?VersionId=xUz4v hYLIS1uz
 

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4/2/2025 5:46am
Cool bike, but Pivot and Santa Cruz are shooting themselves in the foot by only producing Enduro and DH bikes in Carbon Fiber. Most people don't...

Cool bike, but Pivot and Santa Cruz are shooting themselves in the foot by only producing Enduro and DH bikes in Carbon Fiber. Most people don't want to baby a long travel rig everywhere they go, they just want to ride it. Go ahead and down vote this post, I don't care.

Nothing wrong with a carbon front triangle! In my opinion it's only the rear end that's susceptible to dings and rock impacts that ideally should be alloy.

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4/2/2025 5:49am
Want to be a carbon hater as much as the next guy, but only frame I've broken was full carbon except the chainstays, which broke. (strength...

Want to be a carbon hater as much as the next guy, but only frame I've broken was full carbon except the chainstays, which broke. (strength where it matters amirite?) Happened on hard turning/breaking, not a big drop or harsh bottom out.

I do think Atherton is onto something truly innovative with the S range. They're the only bikes that can tempt me at full price at the present moment.

When printing 7075 stops being exclusively for NASA applications, that's when some truly insane bikes will start to hit the market. I'm hoping to start prototyping my own alloy lugged rig from September and I'll be updating this forum on how it all goes!

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4/2/2025 6:38am
AJW1 wrote:
Kate Courtney is in Brazil already, posted a ride 31/3 with a pic of what I guess is her regular BC40 with red SIDs. Yesterday 1/4 posted...

Kate Courtney is in Brazil already, posted a ride 31/3 with a pic of what I guess is her regular BC40 with red SIDs. 
Yesterday 1/4 posted a ride called new bike day, she’s Called the bike BC40 sparkle, can only see that it’s got purple-ish forks; and has otherwise kept the bike hidden. 
Possibly new, possibly just a custom paint job, possibly new rockshox stuff about to be revealed?

IMG 3786.png?VersionId=xUz4v hYLIS1uz
 

sparkle edition?

mr. sparkle from The Simpsons

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4/2/2025 6:54am

"When printing 7075 stops being exclusively for NASA applications" ~ more details please 

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4/2/2025 7:08am

new reverb got leaked on the new firebird on pivot's websiteScreenshot 2025-04-02 08.08.38

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AJW1 wrote:
Kate Courtney is in Brazil already, posted a ride 31/3 with a pic of what I guess is her regular BC40 with red SIDs. Yesterday 1/4 posted...

Kate Courtney is in Brazil already, posted a ride 31/3 with a pic of what I guess is her regular BC40 with red SIDs. 
Yesterday 1/4 posted a ride called new bike day, she’s Called the bike BC40 sparkle, can only see that it’s got purple-ish forks; and has otherwise kept the bike hidden. 
Possibly new, possibly just a custom paint job, possibly new rockshox stuff about to be revealed?

IMG 3786.png?VersionId=xUz4v hYLIS1uz
 

It could be a new bike; she posted a pic from Allied HQ w/ a frame in the stand that was blacked out but you could see a chainstay pivot and afaik Allied doesn't have a crab-link bike.

My guess is just new paint on a BC40 though...

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4/2/2025 7:40am
new reverb got leaked on the new firebird on pivot's website

new reverb got leaked on the new firebird on pivot's websiteScreenshot 2025-04-02 08.08.38

New reverb goes well past 200mm. Seen 3 out in the wild. 

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4/2/2025 7:46am
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Taken with a potato 


Taken with a potato 

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rludes025 wrote:
I heard a rumor that this new ebike from Specialized can toggle between class 1 and class 3. If true, this blatant disregard for land and...

I heard a rumor that this new ebike from Specialized can toggle between class 1 and class 3. If true, this blatant disregard for land and recreation managers from one of the United States' biggest sellers is pretty sh*tty. 

This god damned company... 

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4/2/2025 8:04am
AJW1 wrote:
Kate Courtney is in Brazil already, posted a ride 31/3 with a pic of what I guess is her regular BC40 with red SIDs. Yesterday 1/4 posted...

Kate Courtney is in Brazil already, posted a ride 31/3 with a pic of what I guess is her regular BC40 with red SIDs. 
Yesterday 1/4 posted a ride called new bike day, she’s Called the bike BC40 sparkle, can only see that it’s got purple-ish forks; and has otherwise kept the bike hidden. 
Possibly new, possibly just a custom paint job, possibly new rockshox stuff about to be revealed?

IMG 3786.png?VersionId=xUz4v hYLIS1uz
 

dolface wrote:
It could be a new bike; she posted a pic from Allied HQ w/ a frame in the stand that was blacked out but you could...

It could be a new bike; she posted a pic from Allied HQ w/ a frame in the stand that was blacked out but you could see a chainstay pivot and afaik Allied doesn't have a crab-link bike.

My guess is just new paint on a BC40 though...

Yea, new paint job. She was picking out the color in an Instagram post from a couple weeks ago when she was at HQ.

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4/2/2025 8:15am
RaggedEdge wrote:

"When printing 7075 stops being exclusively for NASA applications" ~ more details please 

Only one company (called HRL) makes it, and NASA are the ones buying. IIRC, you can't get it commercially. Yet...

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4/2/2025 8:25am
When printing 7075 stops being exclusively for NASA applications, that's when some truly insane bikes will start to hit the market. I'm hoping to start prototyping...

When printing 7075 stops being exclusively for NASA applications, that's when some truly insane bikes will start to hit the market. I'm hoping to start prototyping my own alloy lugged rig from September and I'll be updating this forum on how it all goes!

How are they printing 7075? Is it SLM? 

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4/2/2025 8:46am
segamethod wrote:
Seeing the new Propain, anyone heard about the new TQ motor? Hoping it’s the same mounting and electrical connections and can be a drop-in upgrade for...

Seeing the new Propain, anyone heard about the new TQ motor? Hoping it’s the same mounting and electrical connections and can be a drop-in upgrade for the HPR50. But I’m probably dreamin’

Rumor has it there will be a software update bumping the existing TQ motor up to 60nm before releasing a new motor for the MY26 bikes 

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4/2/2025 8:50am
RaggedEdge wrote:

"When printing 7075 stops being exclusively for NASA applications" ~ more details please 

Only one company (called HRL) makes it, and NASA are the ones buying. IIRC, you can't get it commercially. Yet...

Can nobody else get it or can nobody else afford it?


Those processes aren’t cheap.

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4/2/2025 8:56am
Nobble wrote:

Can nobody else get it or can nobody else afford it?


Those processes aren’t cheap.

The feed stock, which is the powder the laser sintering machine melts. It's not commercially available as far as I can tell, but you can buy 6061 if you have access to a machine. I'm willing to bet Atherton will be one of the first customers of the 7A77 feed stock when you can buy it, as it makes the process of making lugs a lot less wasteful.

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4/2/2025 9:35am
Nobble wrote:

Can nobody else get it or can nobody else afford it?


Those processes aren’t cheap.

The feed stock, which is the powder the laser sintering machine melts. It's not commercially available as far as I can tell, but you can buy...

The feed stock, which is the powder the laser sintering machine melts. It's not commercially available as far as I can tell, but you can buy 6061 if you have access to a machine. I'm willing to bet Atherton will be one of the first customers of the 7A77 feed stock when you can buy it, as it makes the process of making lugs a lot less wasteful.

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4/2/2025 9:42am
The feed stock, which is the powder the laser sintering machine melts. It's not commercially available as far as I can tell, but you can buy...

The feed stock, which is the powder the laser sintering machine melts. It's not commercially available as far as I can tell, but you can buy 6061 if you have access to a machine. I'm willing to bet Atherton will be one of the first customers of the 7A77 feed stock when you can buy it, as it makes the process of making lugs a lot less wasteful.

https://www.elementum3d.com/aluminum/

I can't speak to the actual availability of this either but I'm sure there's even more people working on it. 

4/2/2025 10:19am
When printing 7075 stops being exclusively for NASA applications, that's when some truly insane bikes will start to hit the market. I'm hoping to start prototyping...

When printing 7075 stops being exclusively for NASA applications, that's when some truly insane bikes will start to hit the market. I'm hoping to start prototyping my own alloy lugged rig from September and I'll be updating this forum on how it all goes!


i saw this yesterday, got super excited, then checked the date...

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4/2/2025 10:53am
So reviewers seem to love the Trek Slash ebike, but this norco is a 4 bar high pivot with a full sized motor and oversized battery-...

So reviewers seem to love the Trek Slash ebike, but this norco is a 4 bar high pivot with a full sized motor and oversized battery- why would anyone ever choose the Trek over this?

Just because a bike looks like another one doesn’t mean it will perform equivalently. Think about all the different crab bikes and how differently they perform based on tiny kinematic differences. Brian Cahal recently revied the previous gen of the Norco in an ebike shootout and placed it dead last. Meanwhile, as you say, the Slash+ reviews well.

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4/2/2025 11:22am
segamethod wrote:
Just because a bike looks like another one doesn’t mean it will perform equivalently. Think about all the different crab bikes and how differently they perform...

Just because a bike looks like another one doesn’t mean it will perform equivalently. Think about all the different crab bikes and how differently they perform based on tiny kinematic differences. Brian Cahal recently revied the previous gen of the Norco in an ebike shootout and placed it dead last. Meanwhile, as you say, the Slash+ reviews well.

I bet this new Norco rides really well. 

But that aside, thanks what I hate about ebikes- suspension no longer matters, geometry, compliance, none of it matters anymore. The only thing that really matters is the powertrain and the brakes. People fret over things like the quality of the display, whether you can add overdrive to your older motor via a firmware update, etc rather than how the bike rides. Crappy climbing geometry doesn't matter since you can pedal seated with  the dropper down. Descending geometry is less critical because the much lower CoG a motor+battery gives you makes up for it. I have 0 desire to test, tune, and obsess over suspension settings on my ebike. I barely even worry about tire pressure on it. 

This is probably just grumpy old man syndrome, but half the fun of mountain biking was art. Tuning things. Squeezing every single bit of engineering that you can out of a simple double diamond shape in a completely human powered, analog system, to the point that we worry about lateral vs torsional flex in chainstays and freaking O-Chain even exists.

 Who cares about any of that in the Age of the Ebike.

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