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Trocko
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Ari with a vertical shock e-bike 
 

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3/26/2025 3:18pm
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B Rabbit wrote:
I wonder if fox will give a free upgrade to the new shock for people who keep blowing up the old one? (even after the 24’...

I wonder if fox will give a free upgrade to the new shock for people who keep blowing up the old one? (even after the 24’ ‘fix’)

That would certainly make the wait worth it lol 

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Trocko wrote:
Ari with a vertical shock e-bike  

Ari with a vertical shock e-bike 
 

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Here are some better pictures from the latest promo video that were posted in the Ari group.  The riders in the video confirmed its a Timp Peak, so it must be the new Timp.

Looks like a Bosch CX or SRAM Powertrain - Hopefully the former!  Thankfully, the downtube girth indicates at least an 800 WH battery.  Down with the 600 WH trend!

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3/26/2025 5:03pm

How has nobody mentioned the 32x2.4" Maxxis Aspen tires at Taipei Bike Show?

As a 6'2" dude, I would absolutely try a 32er. Or if nothing else, a 32/29 mullet. 

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3/26/2025 6:23pm
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Primoz wrote:

Leverage was much smaller (smaller wheel and shorter fork)... But yeah. 

I remember 32mm forks being terrible at any travel longer than about 130mm since forever....I always chose a 35 or 36mm fork on my trail bike...

I remember 32mm forks being terrible at any travel longer than about 130mm since forever....I always chose a 35 or 36mm fork on my trail bike since about 2006!

Agreed on the spec choice.

For the sake of discussion, let's assume that the new air spring (i) removes all binding and (ii) doesn't explode.  What do you think about also making the fork stiffer?  In other words, if the flex didn't make the fork bind, do you think we'd like the flex?  Or are the bushings still going to bind?  Or do forks really need to be a stiff as possible for steering precision and such?

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3/26/2025 7:01pm Edited Date/Time 3/27/2025 8:34am

At the request of Fox, we have edited this post which contained leaked pictures featuring embargoed product. - site admins

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3/26/2025 7:34pm

The new X2 air can looks very similar to the SJ15 Genie.  Wonder if there’s anything similar going on inside or just new similar architecture. 

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Gobstopper wrote:

The new X2 air can looks very similar to the SJ15 Genie.  Wonder if there’s anything similar going on inside or just new similar architecture. 

Both air cans are referred to as EVOL LV in the specs.

Example specs from an X2 and Genie…

2026, FLOAT X2, F-S, K, Parallel Rzy, No Lever, Evol LV, 250, 75, CS70, RL60, Rezi B80, No Decal

2025_24, FLOAT GENIE, F-S, K, 2-Pos Adj, EVOL LV, Specialized, SJ Pro/SW (S2-S6), 210, 55, SSC003, SSR01, CML, 0.7 E, 0.2 S, 1x 0.4 X

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3/26/2025 8:34pm

Is it just me or does that rebound adjuster look even more awkward than the current model? Depending on your frame that could be almost inaccessible (e.g transition's)

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jalopyj wrote:
Some mixed responses here. I called Fox sales this morning and they also said they were not backwards compatible. Then someone on pinkbike commented that they...

Some mixed responses here. I called Fox sales this morning and they also said they were not backwards compatible. Then someone on pinkbike commented that they work for Fox and say that they are. 

TimBud wrote:

Someone on Pinkbike said they work for Fox… I won’t hold my breath just yet.

jalopyj wrote:
Mixed messaging from other media outlets. Flow saying in their video that it is not, while Fanatik has a response quoting someone directly from Fox saying...

Mixed messaging from other media outlets. Flow saying in their video that it is not, while Fanatik has a response quoting someone directly from Fox saying that it is. Probably too early to hang your hat on any one response as I'm sure their sales&marketing team is getting up to speed with the new product.

Well this already seems to be pretty poorly managed.  One of the most common questions was always going to be "which of these new fangled parts can be installed in my old fork?", so to not have a clear answer in the info pack in anticipation is odd.

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boozed wrote:
Well this already seems to be pretty poorly managed.  One of the most common questions was always going to be "which of these new fangled parts...

Well this already seems to be pretty poorly managed.  One of the most common questions was always going to be "which of these new fangled parts can be installed in my old fork?", so to not have a clear answer in the info pack in anticipation is odd.

They want you to buy the entire fork, not just the $100 part that makes the biggest performance difference.

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Primoz wrote:

Leverage was much smaller (smaller wheel and shorter fork)... But yeah. 

I remember 32mm forks being terrible at any travel longer than about 130mm since forever....I always chose a 35 or 36mm fork on my trail bike...

I remember 32mm forks being terrible at any travel longer than about 130mm since forever....I always chose a 35 or 36mm fork on my trail bike since about 2006!

Agreed on the spec choice.For the sake of discussion, let's assume that the new air spring (i) removes all binding and (ii) doesn't explode.  What do...

Agreed on the spec choice.

For the sake of discussion, let's assume that the new air spring (i) removes all binding and (ii) doesn't explode.  What do you think about also making the fork stiffer?  In other words, if the flex didn't make the fork bind, do you think we'd like the flex?  Or are the bushings still going to bind?  Or do forks really need to be a stiff as possible for steering precision and such?

Bushings would still bind.

As for steering precision, that's mainly torsional stiffness. If you don't want it, go for an USD fork. People riding them mostly say it's a non-issue, some say they are unrideable. It really depends on what you like.

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Looks like someone broke the news a little early

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3/26/2025 11:38pm

Looks like the new Deviate e-bike is ready to go 

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3/27/2025 1:58am Edited Date/Time 3/27/2025 1:59am
LTrumpore wrote:
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what etrto size are those?

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3/27/2025 4:58am Edited Date/Time 3/27/2025 5:00am
Looks like someone broke the news a little early
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Looks like someone broke the news a little early

Primoz wrote:
They dropped everything. No new cassettes or chains it seems.

They dropped everything.

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No new cassettes or chains it seems.

Prices on everything and motive brakes expert kits:

https://www.biketiresdirect.com/search?sale=EAGLE9070&utm_source=pinkbi…

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3/27/2025 5:14am Edited Date/Time 3/27/2025 5:15am

Not sure it has been talked about before but listening to Needles podcast with Sam Blenkinsop and he said Fox was working on a gearbox. Could be an interesting addition to the market. 

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3/27/2025 5:22am Edited Date/Time 3/27/2025 5:24am

Revel Bikes has a new Rascal with the mechanical transmission and Motive brakes up now.

 

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Primoz wrote:
They dropped everything. No new cassettes or chains it seems.

They dropped everything.

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No new cassettes or chains it seems.

dwhere wrote:

Prices on everything and motive brakes expert kits:

https://www.biketiresdirect.com/search?sale=EAGLE9070&utm_source=pinkbi…

That link also have Maven Expert Kits everyone lamented missing out on with the Teal calipers. 

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3/27/2025 5:44am

is this compatible with the apex 12 speed mechanical shifters?

3/27/2025 5:46am
Gobstopper wrote:

The new X2 air can looks very similar to the SJ15 Genie.  Wonder if there’s anything similar going on inside or just new similar architecture. 

chriskief wrote:
Both air cans are referred to as EVOL LV in the specs.Example specs from an X2 and Genie…2026, FLOAT X2, F-S, K, Parallel Rzy, No Lever,...

Both air cans are referred to as EVOL LV in the specs.

Example specs from an X2 and Genie…

2026, FLOAT X2, F-S, K, Parallel Rzy, No Lever, Evol LV, 250, 75, CS70, RL60, Rezi B80, No Decal

2025_24, FLOAT GENIE, F-S, K, 2-Pos Adj, EVOL LV, Specialized, SJ Pro/SW (S2-S6), 210, 55, SSC003, SSR01, CML, 0.7 E, 0.2 S, 1x 0.4 X

Please be the same! Specialized have something really interesting going on with the Genie and it's a shame they're only offered in 210x55 with no piggyback, I want one for my bike that currently has an x2 that sounds like it's filled with mac n cheese.

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3/27/2025 6:00am
Primoz wrote:
They dropped everything. No new cassettes or chains it seems.

They dropped everything.

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No new cassettes or chains it seems.

dwhere wrote:

Prices on everything and motive brakes expert kits:

https://www.biketiresdirect.com/search?sale=EAGLE9070&utm_source=pinkbi…

No limit screws or b tension screw… very interested to see how this works 

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chriskief
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Gobstopper wrote:

The new X2 air can looks very similar to the SJ15 Genie.  Wonder if there’s anything similar going on inside or just new similar architecture. 

chriskief wrote:
Both air cans are referred to as EVOL LV in the specs.Example specs from an X2 and Genie…2026, FLOAT X2, F-S, K, Parallel Rzy, No Lever,...

Both air cans are referred to as EVOL LV in the specs.

Example specs from an X2 and Genie…

2026, FLOAT X2, F-S, K, Parallel Rzy, No Lever, Evol LV, 250, 75, CS70, RL60, Rezi B80, No Decal

2025_24, FLOAT GENIE, F-S, K, 2-Pos Adj, EVOL LV, Specialized, SJ Pro/SW (S2-S6), 210, 55, SSC003, SSR01, CML, 0.7 E, 0.2 S, 1x 0.4 X

Please be the same! Specialized have something really interesting going on with the Genie and it's a shame they're only offered in 210x55 with no piggyback...

Please be the same! Specialized have something really interesting going on with the Genie and it's a shame they're only offered in 210x55 with no piggyback, I want one for my bike that currently has an x2 that sounds like it's filled with mac n cheese.

There is a Float X Genie, also limited to Specialized for now.

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3/27/2025 6:22am
Gobstopper wrote:

The new X2 air can looks very similar to the SJ15 Genie.  Wonder if there’s anything similar going on inside or just new similar architecture. 

chriskief wrote:
Both air cans are referred to as EVOL LV in the specs.Example specs from an X2 and Genie…2026, FLOAT X2, F-S, K, Parallel Rzy, No Lever,...

Both air cans are referred to as EVOL LV in the specs.

Example specs from an X2 and Genie…

2026, FLOAT X2, F-S, K, Parallel Rzy, No Lever, Evol LV, 250, 75, CS70, RL60, Rezi B80, No Decal

2025_24, FLOAT GENIE, F-S, K, 2-Pos Adj, EVOL LV, Specialized, SJ Pro/SW (S2-S6), 210, 55, SSC003, SSR01, CML, 0.7 E, 0.2 S, 1x 0.4 X

Please be the same! Specialized have something really interesting going on with the Genie and it's a shame they're only offered in 210x55 with no piggyback...

Please be the same! Specialized have something really interesting going on with the Genie and it's a shame they're only offered in 210x55 with no piggyback, I want one for my bike that currently has an x2 that sounds like it's filled with mac n cheese.

The Float X Genie already exists (seems to come on some of the eebs)

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Even if you couldn't get hold of one, by the looks of the teardown, I don't think there's a reason all of the genie-ish parts couldn't be transferred to a regular Float X in either 210 or 185T shocks.

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3/27/2025 6:24am Edited Date/Time 3/27/2025 6:25am
boozed wrote:
Well this already seems to be pretty poorly managed.  One of the most common questions was always going to be "which of these new fangled parts...

Well this already seems to be pretty poorly managed.  One of the most common questions was always going to be "which of these new fangled parts can be installed in my old fork?", so to not have a clear answer in the info pack in anticipation is odd.

ex-ballz wrote:

They want you to buy the entire fork, not just the $100 part that makes the biggest performance difference.

This is why I’m a Rockshox man despite loving every Fox fork I have the chance to ride.

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3/27/2025 6:43am

Very curious to see the reviews on the mech transmission. Specifically, how much of the “amazing shifting under load” is really due to the firmware rate limiting the shifts, vs the actual cassette design (Ofc if the system prevents you from dumping gears in a bad place or otherwise shifting like an idiot then the shifting will appear to be better…).

Also more curiosity than ever to try and run the direct mount derailleur with a shimano hyperglide chain and cassette….probably need to swap the jockey wheels but otherwise it should work?

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