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Can’t wait to see the new gen Evil, hopefully soon
I have the Outlier pedals on 1 bike. I've only ridden them 2x.
Personally, I don't notice at all the foot being located below the axle as far as the foot not trying to rotate around the axle, but I do feel a bit more stable on the bike as I'm a bit lower (when seated) and just a bit more down in the bike. I had to lower my dropper 10mm AND shorten my cranks 5mm.
The traction is positively insane. You feel and are so locked in.
Ground clearance is a real issue, I shortened my crank length 5mm (at 155mm currently on my Relay) and it's not really enough. If you want them to have the same ground clearance as your old pedals had before, get 10mm shorter cranks.
They are cool but to me the flat versions (only one available now) are an e-bike only product because you really need like 150-155mm cranks or maybe certain bikes are situations where pedal strikes are not an issue. Ideally, they would sell some crank arms that had the bearings built into them and narrow them up a bit, yet still the extra width didn't bother me although I suspect it led to more of those pedal strikes. 2x I hit the pedals when leaned in a turn, even though my cranks were level at that time.
They have momentum and so it can take a moment for them to right side themselves. About 10x per ride I end up with a foot off in an emergency and when the foot goes back on about 3 of those times I'm standing on the smooth side, and I have to take a moment to correct it. I'm not stunting or racing so I don't care.
I hope it doesn't sound like I'm unhappy, cause I'm not. I really dig them.
I'd love to have an SPD version available for my trail bike.
The mount for the coming Sram Transmission mechanical is shown in the UDH stp files.
https://www.universalderailleurhanger.com/
Not on my laptop or I could post up a picture.
Release must be coming soon.
I'm on something similar t Outliers and have over a year of experience.
I'm running 165 mm cranks and ground clearance to me is a non-issue, not compared to classic OneUps. Comparing the two there is a few mm difference on the outside (which is most prone to snagging), obviously more towards the cranks (this does depend on the design of the pedal as well though...) Where ground clearance was an issue was on 170 mm cranks with AliExpress parts which I used to make a proof of concept where the drop was 25 mm if I remember correctly. I was snagging things on the outside of berms with my feet level!
Rotating and stepping on the wrong side, that is really dependant on how the bearings work and run (and I am interested in how the Outliers work in this regard). I/we haven't had this issue, except in one case where it really was an issue. And it is very annoying when it happens.
What I've found is that it's either a non-issue or extreme hate for the bulge, some people just can't handle it. I think everybody COULD get used to it, but the mind is a fickle mistress.
As for stability, I personally notice it, a LOT. A few friends also trying this concept out said they notice more power when pedalling, but I can't comment on that, I didn't notice it.
Not sure how clips would work or if it had the same benefits (stability and less chance of being thrown off), but it could be made if you could get your hands on a mechanism. I'd suspect this is something one of the bigger players would have to do, unless you could buy a mechanism off the shelf (any ideas who was making Nukeproof pedals?
). Regarding cranks with bearings inside, I already mentioned what I think. Maybe it's a bit easier with eBikes as ISIS is realy prevalent there, but for classic bikes, I think it's a no-go.
Yep that's it. The angle of the housing end is tight to the frame. Somewhere in the docs is recommended chainstay cable port exit recommendations.
This may be a good indicator of when as they're all cagey about it.
Less than 9 days
It's a dual crown so why not have the direct mount option? It used to be an option before the latest update.
It seems like both XT and XTR will be full wireless this time, I assume sea otter will be the release time
Yeah, I agree with all this. I've had the Outliers for two months and although I didn't do a lot of riding in the dirt, I have been quite happy with them so far. I like the grip, the extra stability and the increased effective stack height. I only stepped on the wrong side twice or thrice so far, and it wasn't the end of the world - I could get a few pedal strokes in before correcting. If you have a habit of spinning your pedals when placing feet on them, that could be a problem. When you strike rocks, the Outliers float over them with more ease thanks to their shape, but their thinness makes be a bit nervous about their long-term durability. Their bearings are not super-fast spinners, but I attribute that to break in period and cold temps.
As for the pedaling, I think that there is some effect on the pedaling given the varying distance of your feet from the spindle, but I am not in a good enough shape to appreciate that, yet.
Can't disagree more with the statement that they are good for mopeds only.
how do they do with the giant hole in the middle?
"Black holes are regions in space with such intense gravity that nothing, not even light, can escape their pull, formed when massive stars collapse and their matter is compressed into a tiny space. "
Also if it makes you feel any better about how they are, I watched those pedals get thrashed over the last two years of development under many sendy riders.
Not a problem so far.
Can confirm. This is the road gap on the Psychosis DH race last summer:
Did Outlier do any ISO/EFBE tests before launching them? Shredding is fine, even over two years, but you hardly put enough mileage in to fatigue the material. And you'd likely be swapping prototypes every few months as you iterate the design...
Intense has some new stuff coming soon. I wonder if anybody’s seen it yet on a recent podcast from the other site Jeff Steber claims game changing frame design. If I remember, I think he said one E and two non-E bikes. My guess is the updated taser is probably first, so that’s been the same bike for almost 9 years now. I wonder if anybody knows anymore or has spotted anything
Word from a lot of media is that the next 30~ days are going to be busy on this thread. Happy spring/sea otter season to all those who celebrate the relentless innovation we all don't really need!
Heard similar things, also heard for the recently released Transition ebikes there's limited options due to unreleased components which will be out very soon.
Dealer said there's going to upgrade kits on offer!? Must be something pretty special if they're going to that extent.
Not looking to buy one but as far as ebikes go they look great in person.
You’re in the wrong thread if you think we don’t need it!
that was the infinity dh, this is the infinity en
The lack of axle might feel weird the first time you step on them but you get used to it quickly. What you get in return is unparalleled grip due the infinite concavity. As someone who enjoys climbing, I can't get along with cranks shorter 170mm which is why I bought their Void pedals instead. As far as durability goes, after 700km/30,000M of fat biking this winter they have been flawless. That's with them constantly being wet from the snow, ice, mud and being left to air dry after rides. I fat bike in snow hiking boots with deep lugs and there is no other pedal that gives me a similar locked in feel almost as good as clipless. Now my previous favorite pedals Wolftooth Waveform are gathering dust.
Now thats a weird business move. Sell brand new bike, then 1 month later offer upgrade kits.... how does that math? Must be something pretty shiny
It is strange. I'm going to guess shimano electronic drivetrains or mechanical transmission. Since transition is all rockshox for suspension, the fact that they are only showing shimano drivetrains on the regulator makes me think they are going to be shimano based upgrades. It would be a weird move to provide the initial supply with shimano deore/xt and then slide sram into the DMs and provide sram based build kits.
That being said, transition likes to keep it weird, so anything is possible.
Probably referring to the blank port with the system controller in it, that's obviously meant to be a screen. The gen 5 bikes have been waiting for the combo system controller/screen thingy since they first came out.
Maybe printed titanium crown?
Take it to the pedal thread ya jerk!
www.pedaltechnologyandrumors.com
JK
I GUESS this is a tech rumor?
I just got this email from Sram (because I inquired about their app and site not recognizing the serial numbers of my products):
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SRAM Rider Support (RockShox)
Mar 19, 2025, 17:04 MDT
Hello DontWorryImAPilot,
We sincerely apologize for our delayed response and any inconvenience caused by recent issues affecting the RockShox Trailhead App, Product Registration, and the SRAM Service Hub Serial Lookup.
SRAM is experiencing an IT issue that has impacted operational capabilities in certain departments. We are working to resolve the issue as soon as possible and will provide regular updates as information allows.
In the meantime, please be aware that none of these resources will recognize serial numbers. Suspension products saved in your RockShox Trailhead Garage may also not be visible.
Please understand that SRAM Support Teams are also affected by this issue. As a result, they may be unable to assist with service questions, small parts replacement recommendations, suspension setup and tuning guidance, or general product identification until the IT issue is resolved.
If you have any questions unrelated to the above information, please respond to this message.
Otherwise, just sit tight and we'll notify you when there is more to share.
Kind regards,
The SRAM Rider Support Team
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