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I could see applications for large wheels.
Gravel and exploration bikes - heck yes. I used to love dirt road rambles when I lived in New England. Here in Colorado the fore roads and dirt roads are terrifying. Washboarded, bedrock. 30 miles in your teeth are rattling out.
32” wheels on a steel frame with swoopy stays that add compliance, 68*HA and lots of trail, low BB so you’re riding in the bike. Wouldn’t sprint but neither do I. Sounds comfy. Sounds like something Surly should make. Size L, XL, XXL, and Shaq.
Seems another name has dropped into public domain. I know we've seen these brakes before but this is the first indexed result for "motive".
Maven,,, Motive... Mineral oil... perhaps a hint?
We won't have to DB8 it once it brakes cover.
It says right on the bleed screw "SRAM MINERAL OIL ONLY" The same screw on Mavens
Huh. I always thought it said ‘Don’t post to Vital’.
Those motive are a code replacement, mineral oil, should have same power as code ( meh ) and level weight ( so not that much lighter )
I feel going code weight and a bit more power would’ve hurt no one, especially given the Maven are not for everyone
Black box shifter… transmission? Did anyone get photos of the bike?
Best shot of the rear mech I could find; it looks like regular Eagle to me...
Eagle cage
Transmission cage
Noticed this on the top tube too, any idea what it is, KIS?
https://www.canyon.com/en-us/mountain-bikes/trail-bikes/spectral/keep-i…
Mech transmission will be offered in a 1230 series and 1275 series. Essentially offering a GX equivalent and below.
Shimano has been killing SRAM on the low end market. 5,6 and 7 series Shimano is so much better than NX and SX.
that‘s a normal x01 dh 7 speed mech on troys bike, „eagle“ is only the 12 speed. he is using black box triggers for years AFAIK
Almost certain that Troy probably had the left hand pod to override to either trail or lock on the suspension for the opening sprint and then turned it back to auto (which defaults to open) as soon as the fire road ended.
Isn't this a similar theory to what's on Bruni's bike?
To a 1000% sure, there's nothing funny going on that would prevent running a "gx" mechanical transmission shifter and derailleur with an "XO1" level transmission cassette and chain?
Assume the "gx" mechanical transmission derailleur is going to have a replaceable cage like the electronic ones?
Also assume the pull ratio will still be 1:1. Would it be possible to keep an XO1 shifter and just replace a tired X01 derailleur when my current X01 cassette and chain wear out.
Don't mean to turn this into a personal bike consultation. Think a lot of people like me who have never seriously looked at electronic shifting are going to have these questions.
"Regular" flight attendant, you can set the controls to either cycle between locked and open. Or you can have the suspension cycle between lock>pedal>open. (On XC Bikes it locks front+rear, on trail/enduro bikes I believe it can only lock the rear)
You can most likely not lock the DH rear shock, so they probably have it set to a few different compression modes, probably 2 or 3 modes. And they just toggle up or down, or one button cycles the compression modes, and the other always defaults to open. Might be "a lot" to keep track of during a run otherwise.
I believe the Öhlins stuff does the same, but it has 3 separate buttons. So probably Firm, medium, open.
I think the schtick since Eagle has been full cooperability of parts within the ecosystem and pretty sure it would still work within the Transmission ecosystem. It's not advertised, but I think there were already mix and match builds.
As for mixing and matching, if and when a mechanical version comes out, I guess it would work with XX wear parts as long as the cassette stays the same between mechanical and AXS models (Eagle was the same, don't see a reason for change). As for the shifter, I'm FAIRLY certain something will change just enough for it to no be compatible. There's a big deal about the way the shifting is done with Transmission but as has been deducted, it's just some delays in when multiple shifts happen - it's just slow. This means you're not pulling the chain across multiple chainrings of the cassette at the same time, minimizing the chance for a dropped chain. I'm running a Garbaruk cassette on an Eagle setup and pulling multiple gears can make the chain go haywire, you really have to shift the gears one by one. There's an eBike Eagle shifter that is a single click and I'd expect the mechanical version of Transmission to have the same solution to ensure slower shifting across multiple gears. You could mandate the use of a single click Eagle shifter, but how to be sure? By making it incompatible.
I hope I'm wrong.
I don't see why that wouldn't work. I didn't get along with the shifter pod ergonomics of my electronic XO transmission so I replaced the shifter and derailleur with standard cable operated XO and it works fine. XO transmission cranks, chain and cassette with mechanical XO shifter and derailleur.
You mean X01 shifter and derailleur? As long as gear spacing is the same, there's not much reason for it to not work. But the question was about using XO Transmission parts with GX Transmission mechanical (supposed) parts.
2nd gear is changed between Eagle and Transmission.
a) the question was about the shifter.
b) 2nd chainring being of different size would be a non issue if an Eagle derailleur was to be used (but it is not the point of the question). Garbaruk's cassette works without a single issue.
Eagle: 52-42-36-32 (notice the 52-42 step)
Transmission: 52-44-38-32 (notice the 38-32 step)
Garbaruk: 52-44-37-32 (smooth transitions all the way down to the 32t ring)
The rest of the cassettes is the same ratio wise.
But yeah, the point is moot because the original question was about using an Eagle shifter with a Transmission derailleur.
Speaking of @dancingwithmyself , what do you mean by tired X01 derailleur? In my experience they are basically bombproof. My old one that I used for 4,5 years is still in use after I sold it to a friend and still shifts perfectly.
I think it was posted upthread a while back that the mechanical T-Type shifter will be one-click (corroborated on the Geek Warning podcast) to work smoothly w/ existing shift ramps and NW cogs on the T-Type cassette.
BUT: T-Type XPLOR apparently doesn't have this limitation so SRAM could conceivably bring that to mechanical....
I know I'm late to this party, but the difference between a 650b front wheel and a 29" front wheel is enormous in terms of stack height. The same head tube length will be 40 mm lower on a 650b front wheel and 650b specific fork. Especially in a world where manufacturers are already running teeny tiny head tubes (90mm!!) on some size small bikes to get that stack down for small riders, a 650b front wheel makes a big difference in getting small bike geometry and extra large bike geometry into the same ballpark of body position and handling.
Best two ways to get your mechanical Eagle shifting messed up is to smack the derailleur on something or to try to dump 3 gears into the base of a short punchy climb at pace. I absolutely can not ride Eagle like the old 10 and 11 speed stuff from either SRAM or Shimano. One gear at a time as all that works. Even on a brand new setup.
To answer your question, tired XO1 meaning pulleys could probably do with replacing, cage been bent back to straight-ish a time or two, and probably a little less tension in the spring. I agree that X01 stuff lasts a really long time.
I don't want to derail (I'm here all week!) this thread into a SRAM drivetrain discussion. Games that can be played with mechanical T-type worthy of a seperate thread when it truly drops and we have full and official info. Think I got my high-level questions answered.
One more new-stuff category question. NSB or Wheels Mfg hanger and a DAG solved good mechanical shifting a long time ago. With T-type mechanical, I'd really be after even more cassette durability for a lightweight ebike or avoiding the awful 42-52 jump on my enduro bike (I run a 10-50 on the ebike and trail bike).
Am I right that for riders like the people reading this, those are the two value propositions of mechanical T-Type?
Just to give Quick response to those wondering about how trek plans to sell these top level bikes at the advertised price. As someone who works at a shop that sells Trek bikes. If you like you can go through online tutorials program called TrekU and once you have completed enough modules, you are awarded employee pricing where you are able to buy bikes at 30% off cost.
I assure you these top level bikes are built to bait newer staff of trek dealers to buy what looks to be an incredible deal. They have no intentions to sell these to normal folk and I have yet to see them sell one to a normal consumer. My guess is trek works sick deals with parts suppliers buy agreeing to build top spec bikes with top spec build kits. And then they just end up selling that at discounted rates to shop employees while keeping the buying power with components companies.
Before we grab pitch forks... Fox, Easton, Shimano, SRAM, abus, and many others have similiar programs. I take advantage of all of them. I'll drink the koolaid and ride that bling baby!
Okay back to tech rumours.... Gosh.
pretty much how it works, This is how alot of high end bikes get out and helps the workers get these bikes which in turn advertises them.
Alot of shops will also initially absorb these bikes and the employee's will Pay the shop(employer) back for them.(atleast that was the perk of Many of the Jobs i looked at to offset the low pay)
interesting, only -17% in europe. one reason more to NOT get one as a euro shop rat
Some eye candy from Germany: https://www.mtb-news.de/news/fracebike-getriebe-dh-bike/