MTB Tech Rumors and Innovation

freddie.thomson.735 wrote:

kuzlich wrote:

Is there any chance u have a link with more photos of the new Pivot Phoenix?

Evil96 wrote:

https://enduro-mtb.com/en/magazine/ download the app and the latest issue and you'll see the whole article

Jotegr wrote:

Transmission, it's weaknesses, and "solutions" for those weaknesses all seem kind of insane to me.Hey we have this little uvula looking thing on the back of...

Transmission, it's weaknesses, and "solutions" for those weaknesses all seem kind of insane to me.

Hey we have this little uvula looking thing on the back of frames which the derailleur attaches to. Usually, derailleurs aren't that expensive these days but just in case, it's meant to bend instead of allowing the derailleur to break. Because our frame is made of steel, we can usually just bend it back for free! How nice!

Since we moved on to alloy/carbon, we had to make the hanger its own item. We went with aluminum alloy so it's stiff and light, but if you snag up on a rock or cause your bike to go tumbling down the side of a mountain, which happens from time to time, hopefully this twenty to forty dollar piece of metal breaks or bends instead of your derailleur, the price of which is rapidly inflating. Too bad there's a million hangers and none of them work with each other, but hey, that's the cost of providing consumers with a variety of frame designs and materials and varying price points!

OK, so we're trying to simplify things by getting vast swathes of the industry to move to a universal hanger. Great, right? But since we fucking hate you, we're going to make a bunch of them out of shittily moulded plastic riddled with manufacturing defects in our initial runs, thus ensuring that your brand new Trek (for which you waited a year and paid MSRP) is locked out of proper shifting for six to eight months, or whenever the supply chain woes end. Whichever is later! 

Actually, forget the whole hanger thing. Now that we got most brands to standardize the mounting interface, we'll skip the hanger and make the derailleur mount directly to the frame. This was expensive to develop, but don't worry, we spent some of that R&D budget ensuring that we integrated both the function of a derailleur and the function of a hanger together: Not only will this thing smoothly and accurately shift under load, we purposely made parts of it kind of weak so it functions as a disposable hanger too!  Best of all, instead of replacing that little piece of inexpensive aluminum, you now get to replace a very expensive little piece of aluminum that performed the same job! At least it's less than your $5,499.99 S-Works frame though, right?

BUT WAIT! What if I told you that you could replace those weaker parts of the transmission system with dramatically stronger aftermarket solutions? They'll take those crappy OEM bits and replace them with a colourful piece of CNC glory, and all for the low price of only somewhat more expensive than the OEM replacement! Best of all, those impact forces we were talking about? We figured out a way transfer them directly into your seat stay! 

Somebody help me out. I actually don't get it. 

 

rppdx wrote:

New Kavenz VHP G2 pre-order just opened for email subscribers. Looks like you can choose any of their rear travel options and it uses the same...

New Kavenz VHP G2 pre-order just opened for email subscribers. Looks like you can choose any of their rear travel options and it uses the same interchangeable rear dropouts. Also, has a pinion smart shift option 

rppdx wrote:

New Kavenz VHP G2 pre-order just opened for email subscribers. Looks like you can choose any of their rear travel options and it uses the same...

New Kavenz VHP G2 pre-order just opened for email subscribers. Looks like you can choose any of their rear travel options and it uses the same interchangeable rear dropouts. Also, has a pinion smart shift option 

nsp234 wrote:

Just saw this and thought it‘s funny (and I‘m probably the only one 😅) And

Just saw this and thought it‘s funny (and I‘m probably the only one 😅)

 

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tooslowtocare wrote:

Any ideas what this might be?

Any ideas what this might be?

Jotegr wrote:

Transmission, it's weaknesses, and "solutions" for those weaknesses all seem kind of insane to me.Hey we have this little uvula looking thing on the back of...

Transmission, it's weaknesses, and "solutions" for those weaknesses all seem kind of insane to me.

Hey we have this little uvula looking thing on the back of frames which the derailleur attaches to. Usually, derailleurs aren't that expensive these days but just in case, it's meant to bend instead of allowing the derailleur to break. Because our frame is made of steel, we can usually just bend it back for free! How nice!

Since we moved on to alloy/carbon, we had to make the hanger its own item. We went with aluminum alloy so it's stiff and light, but if you snag up on a rock or cause your bike to go tumbling down the side of a mountain, which happens from time to time, hopefully this twenty to forty dollar piece of metal breaks or bends instead of your derailleur, the price of which is rapidly inflating. Too bad there's a million hangers and none of them work with each other, but hey, that's the cost of providing consumers with a variety of frame designs and materials and varying price points!

OK, so we're trying to simplify things by getting vast swathes of the industry to move to a universal hanger. Great, right? But since we fucking hate you, we're going to make a bunch of them out of shittily moulded plastic riddled with manufacturing defects in our initial runs, thus ensuring that your brand new Trek (for which you waited a year and paid MSRP) is locked out of proper shifting for six to eight months, or whenever the supply chain woes end. Whichever is later! 

Actually, forget the whole hanger thing. Now that we got most brands to standardize the mounting interface, we'll skip the hanger and make the derailleur mount directly to the frame. This was expensive to develop, but don't worry, we spent some of that R&D budget ensuring that we integrated both the function of a derailleur and the function of a hanger together: Not only will this thing smoothly and accurately shift under load, we purposely made parts of it kind of weak so it functions as a disposable hanger too!  Best of all, instead of replacing that little piece of inexpensive aluminum, you now get to replace a very expensive little piece of aluminum that performed the same job! At least it's less than your $5,499.99 S-Works frame though, right?

BUT WAIT! What if I told you that you could replace those weaker parts of the transmission system with dramatically stronger aftermarket solutions? They'll take those crappy OEM bits and replace them with a colourful piece of CNC glory, and all for the low price of only somewhat more expensive than the OEM replacement! Best of all, those impact forces we were talking about? We figured out a way transfer them directly into your seat stay! 

Somebody help me out. I actually don't get it. 

 

nsp234 wrote:

Very well written.Another thing I can't help to wrap my head around are the weights we're strapping to the unsprung side of our rear ends:Shimano RD-M980...

Very well written.

Another thing I can't help to wrap my head around are the weights we're strapping to the unsprung side of our rear ends:

Shimano RD-M980 (2011) 175g
Sram XX (2011) 180g
Shimano RD-M9120 (machanical) 241g
Sram Transmission XX (incl. Battery) 465g 

Not a total apples to apples comparison, but looking at this I can't help but feel this isn't the pinnacle of drivertain design. 

 

gibbon wrote:

I believe.......... it is a bicycle.






(Sorry)

gibbon wrote:

I believe.......... it is a bicycle.






(Sorry)

MJN wrote:

Zebra 

tooslowtocare wrote:

Any ideas what this might be?

Any ideas what this might be?

AndehM wrote:

Maybe a Transition, alu version of the upcoming Sentinel update?  It looks like it's got the big chonky 56/56 head tube, and all their bikes use...

Maybe a Transition, alu version of the upcoming Sentinel update?  It looks like it's got the big chonky 56/56 head tube, and all their bikes use trunnion mount vertical shocks like that.

dolface wrote:

I don't think any of their current bikes are trunnion...https://www.transitionbikes.com/Bikes.cfm

tooslowtocare wrote:

Any ideas what this might be?

Any ideas what this might be?

AndehM wrote:

Maybe a Transition, alu version of the upcoming Sentinel update?  It looks like it's got the big chonky 56/56 head tube, and all their bikes use...

Maybe a Transition, alu version of the upcoming Sentinel update?  It looks like it's got the big chonky 56/56 head tube, and all their bikes use trunnion mount vertical shocks like that.

dolface wrote:

I don't think any of their current bikes are trunnion...https://www.transitionbikes.com/Bikes.cfm

gibbon wrote:

I believe.......... it is a bicycle.






(Sorry)

gbcoke wrote:

Can anyone explain the marketing strategy of Pivot letting Enduro-Mtb feature/review the bike and not showing it anywhere else,

including their website ??

gbcoke wrote:

Can anyone explain the marketing strategy of Pivot letting Enduro-Mtb feature/review the bike and not showing it anywhere else,

including their website ??

gbcoke wrote:

Can anyone explain the marketing strategy of Pivot letting Enduro-Mtb feature/review the bike and not showing it anywhere else,

including their website ??

Bob Chicken wrote:

I stopped reading Enduro-MTB when they defended headset cable routing as cleaner and "people whinged about internal routing so stop whinging".

gbcoke wrote:

Can anyone explain the marketing strategy of Pivot letting Enduro-Mtb feature/review the bike and not showing it anywhere else,

including their website ??

Flo7 wrote:

New Fox Coil Shock?

New Fox Coil Shock?

Flo7 wrote:

New Fox Coil Shock?

New Fox Coil Shock?

gibbon wrote:

Every Enduro mag review......needs dh tyres and 220mm rotors.