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6/19/2024 11:41pm
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Aluminum is recyclable but do AL bikes ever actually get recycled? I think every bike bike ever ends up getting resold & ultimately in the hands...

Aluminum is recyclable but do AL bikes ever actually get recycled? I think every bike bike ever ends up getting resold & ultimately in the hands of a random tweaker then ends it’s life either in a landfill or at the bottom of a body of water lol. 
 

Has anybody ever actually taken a bike to a scrap yard?

I've seen zero evidence of aluminum frames being recycled. I ran bike shops for 10 years and never saw a recycling program. I still have never...

I've seen zero evidence of aluminum frames being recycled. I ran bike shops for 10 years and never saw a recycling program. I still have never seen a hint of a recycling program, not at local shops and not at manufacturers.  There is no link on manufacturer websites to "recycle your aluminum frame here" .

Aluminum is recyclable, but with no public easily accessable way to do it, the rate of it actually happening is likely close to zero. 

 

Finkill wrote:
Pretty much every bike shop I've seen in the UK will have metal waste bins, separate from the general waste. This is then taken off to...

Pretty much every bike shop I've seen in the UK will have metal waste bins, separate from the general waste. This is then taken off to be separated into different metals and recycled. Scrap metal is worth money.

Yep that was what we were doing in my bike shop, the guy I sold it to has continued to do the same.

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6/20/2024 6:59am
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C'mon folks, let's get this back on track: New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel...

C'mon folks, let's get this back on track:

New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel build on PB and the Rockrider/Ford team have (likely) been running it for while. Anyone know anything more? Hoping it'll go up to 130mm...

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Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things...

Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things.

The Mezzer is on deep discount, so I wouldn't be surprised to see an update there as well.

Rumor is new Mara Pro coming soon, maybe a new Mezzer to go with it? 

I can only hope. I nabbed one for my Trance X and was way bummed that even with the short reservoir it doesn't clear the downtube at bottom out. Modelled a new res that should work as I was able to nip a bit over 4mm off the length and still use existing internals, but I gotta rebuild the lathe before trying to cut threads and hone a bore, much less pull the bottom out bumper and see if there'd still be clearance in a worst-case scenario bottom out.  If there's a new unit coming, selfishly I am hoping that there's a retrofittable res that will clear, but I would not be surprised if they went with a res set up cross length to nip any length fitment issues in the bud.

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6/20/2024 7:04am
dolface wrote:
C'mon folks, let's get this back on track: New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel...

C'mon folks, let's get this back on track:

New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel build on PB and the Rockrider/Ford team have (likely) been running it for while. Anyone know anything more? Hoping it'll go up to 130mm...

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Losifer wrote:
Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things...

Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things.

The Mezzer is on deep discount, so I wouldn't be surprised to see an update there as well.

Rumor is new Mara Pro coming soon, maybe a new Mezzer to go with it? 

Here’s hoping they’d introduce a double-crown Mezzer to have a dh-light fork up there! (fingers crossed!)

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6/20/2024 7:29am

Wasn't there a mention that there won't be a coil flight attendant shock? Or was that a technically correct statement of a 'no coil Super Deluxe flight attendant'?

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6/20/2024 7:30am Edited Date/Time 6/20/2024 7:30am
The Mara and Mara Pro use a fixed negative spring pressure, and every review I've read has pointed to that as a glaring flaw in an...

The Mara and Mara Pro use a fixed negative spring pressure, and every review I've read has pointed to that as a glaring flaw in an otherwise decent shock package. I doubt sales have been strong for either shock, and I would not be surprised if Manitou introduced an updated version with a self-equalizing (or at least adjustable) air spring.

Yep. I'm hoping for some change in negative spring. I've got a Mara Pro on my Propain Hugene and feel like I'm between the two volume air cans.

With the king can (high volume, more linear spring) it bottoms out too easily. I'd like to add more air pressure but I end up with basically zero sag. I'm currently running the smaller air can (more progression) and it is a hair too progressive and it is almost impossible to use the last bit of travel. 

With an adjustable or self equalizing negative spring I think the king can would work. 

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6/20/2024 8:39am

Is clothing technology permitted in this tech thread? Or does it have to be rumor related as well? Because I'm a stinky guy, but man this morning I just got back from a 3000+ vert ride in the sun and I sweated like Fauci at a Senate hearing but when I got home my wife commented how my merino wool jersey (51%, $25 on sale at EVO) had 0 BO smell. This isn't the first time this miracle has manifested. Also, I feel it is excellent in the cold (sub 55 degrees) and heat as well. 

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6/20/2024 9:01am
Is clothing technology permitted in this tech thread? Or does it have to be rumor related as well? Because I'm a stinky guy, but man this...

Is clothing technology permitted in this tech thread? Or does it have to be rumor related as well? Because I'm a stinky guy, but man this morning I just got back from a 3000+ vert ride in the sun and I sweated like Fauci at a Senate hearing but when I got home my wife commented how my merino wool jersey (51%, $25 on sale at EVO) had 0 BO smell. This isn't the first time this miracle has manifested. Also, I feel it is excellent in the cold (sub 55 degrees) and heat as well. 

Not sure I'd class Merino wool as a tech rumour, having been around since the 13th century...

But I'll agree it's the best material for pretty well any sports-related activity. I'm partial to Mons Royal stuff, especially the merino chamois shorts. Costco always has some version of a Merino shirt for sale, probably the best deal you can get. 

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6/20/2024 9:19am
Is clothing technology permitted in this tech thread? Or does it have to be rumor related as well? Because I'm a stinky guy, but man this...

Is clothing technology permitted in this tech thread? Or does it have to be rumor related as well? Because I'm a stinky guy, but man this morning I just got back from a 3000+ vert ride in the sun and I sweated like Fauci at a Senate hearing but when I got home my wife commented how my merino wool jersey (51%, $25 on sale at EVO) had 0 BO smell. This isn't the first time this miracle has manifested. Also, I feel it is excellent in the cold (sub 55 degrees) and heat as well. 

How about starting a “things that work well” thread?  

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Dave_Camp wrote:

How about starting a “things that work well” thread?  

Steel bolts work pretty well.

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TEAMROBOT wrote:

Steel bolts work pretty well.

What alloy and coating? 
 

devils in the details 

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6/20/2024 11:41am
Dave_Camp wrote:

What alloy and coating? 
 

devils in the details 

"devil's..." Wink

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6/20/2024 2:34pm
The Mara and Mara Pro use a fixed negative spring pressure, and every review I've read has pointed to that as a glaring flaw in an...

The Mara and Mara Pro use a fixed negative spring pressure, and every review I've read has pointed to that as a glaring flaw in an otherwise decent shock package. I doubt sales have been strong for either shock, and I would not be surprised if Manitou introduced an updated version with a self-equalizing (or at least adjustable) air spring.

Yep. I'm hoping for some change in negative spring. I've got a Mara Pro on my Propain Hugene and feel like I'm between the two volume...

Yep. I'm hoping for some change in negative spring. I've got a Mara Pro on my Propain Hugene and feel like I'm between the two volume air cans.

With the king can (high volume, more linear spring) it bottoms out too easily. I'd like to add more air pressure but I end up with basically zero sag. I'm currently running the smaller air can (more progression) and it is a hair too progressive and it is almost impossible to use the last bit of travel. 

With an adjustable or self equalizing negative spring I think the king can would work. 

The Mara Pro has some incredible qualities; however it needs an independently adjustable negative chamber.

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6/20/2024 3:17pm
Dave_Camp wrote:

What alloy and coating? 
 

devils in the details 

I don't know, but the worst steel bolts I've ever used on a bicycle have still been better than the best aluminum bolts.

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6/20/2024 3:22pm
Dave_Camp wrote:

What alloy and coating? 
 

devils in the details 

TEAMROBOT wrote:

I don't know, but the worst steel bolts I've ever used on a bicycle have still been better than the best aluminum bolts.

A lot of bikes would be about 50% better and more reliable if they just changed most of the fasteners to steel.

 

I only say most because there's probably some where it doesn't matter, although I can't think of it right now

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6/20/2024 3:56pm Edited Date/Time 6/20/2024 3:57pm
Seagrave7 wrote:
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/interview-specializeds-mtb-product-team-on-moving-to-auburn-new-suspension-concepts-and-rider-feedback.html The new Stumpjumper?    

They should sell these in limited quantities and call them the S-Works Stumpjumper Ultimate – a throwback to their OG lugged carbon bike the S-Works Epic Ultimate. I imagine there's a market for these even if they were a $9,999 frameset.

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6/20/2024 4:23pm
Seagrave7 wrote:
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/interview-specializeds-mtb-product-team-on-moving-to-auburn-new-suspension-concepts-and-rider-feedback.html The new Stumpjumper?    

That's not much seatpost insertion depth

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6/20/2024 4:39pm
Seagrave7 wrote:
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/interview-specializeds-mtb-product-team-on-moving-to-auburn-new-suspension-concepts-and-rider-feedback.html The new Stumpjumper?    

That's not much seatpost insertion depth

Looks like UDH though so presumably it's a current frame?

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6/20/2024 5:43pm

Why do you think they’re staying with the long yoke as part of their linkage? 

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6/20/2024 6:18pm

Why do you think they’re staying with the long yoke as part of their linkage? 

The advantages outweigh the small number of additional broken shocks. 

 

the yoke shock breaking thing is overblown imo. Ive seen warranty %s.

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6/20/2024 8:56pm

Why do you think they’re staying with the long yoke as part of their linkage? 

Dave_Camp wrote:

The advantages outweigh the small number of additional broken shocks. 

 

the yoke shock breaking thing is overblown imo. Ive seen warranty %s.

Yup. Total non issue unless you run spindly little coil shocks. 

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6/20/2024 10:44pm
Seagrave7 wrote:
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/interview-specializeds-mtb-product-team-on-moving-to-auburn-new-suspension-concepts-and-rider-feedback.html The new Stumpjumper?    

That's not much seatpost insertion depth

The current stumpjumper has the same issue...

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6/20/2024 11:09pm

As far as I can see it's the same principle of drilling holes that the cheese grater Mac Pro used?

On the other hand... 160 mm, 180 mm, 220 mm and a 254 mm for whatever reason (10 inches?). And in the middle of it all, freaking 203 mm. Because why do equal 20 mm steps when you can fuck the system with the most widespread rotor size (200/203 size in general) of late.

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6/21/2024 12:54am

Why do you think they’re staying with the long yoke as part of their linkage? 

Dave_Camp wrote:

The advantages outweigh the small number of additional broken shocks. 

 

the yoke shock breaking thing is overblown imo. Ive seen warranty %s.

what would be the advantages other than lazy design? it seems just dumb to use a shock extender that is known to cause premature seal failure, side loading and snaps coil, it doesn't even feel that good. i've had one and it was garbage, a friend had a levo and it went through 3 shocks in 6 months, that's just crap.

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6/21/2024 12:58am
Evil96 wrote:
what would be the advantages other than lazy design? it seems just dumb to use a shock extender that is known to cause premature seal failure...

what would be the advantages other than lazy design? it seems just dumb to use a shock extender that is known to cause premature seal failure, side loading and snaps coil, it doesn't even feel that good. i've had one and it was garbage, a friend had a levo and it went through 3 shocks in 6 months, that's just crap.

Yeah that’s just it. Specialized don’t see the warranty because they push it all to Fox and RS.

And then there’s the shocks that are sent off for service when they could be warrantied.

And even then there’s the riders that just don’t realise there’s a problem

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FWIW gen 2 Hightowers Megatowers sideloaded their shocks quite a bit judging by the amount of air in the damper when doing a service. And they don't use a shock extender...

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6/21/2024 1:19am

Why do you think they’re staying with the long yoke as part of their linkage? 

Dave_Camp wrote:

The advantages outweigh the small number of additional broken shocks. 

 

the yoke shock breaking thing is overblown imo. Ive seen warranty %s.

Evil96 wrote:
what would be the advantages other than lazy design? it seems just dumb to use a shock extender that is known to cause premature seal failure...

what would be the advantages other than lazy design? it seems just dumb to use a shock extender that is known to cause premature seal failure, side loading and snaps coil, it doesn't even feel that good. i've had one and it was garbage, a friend had a levo and it went through 3 shocks in 6 months, that's just crap.

Its quite hard to get a horst link bike to drive a shock mounted on the top tube without using a clevis yoke. Its definitely not impossible, but most of the designs you see with a top tube mounted shock are either VPP(dual link designs, ala SB120, Commencal tempo) or single pivots (or even linkage driven single pivots/flex stays Santa Cruz Blur).

They have prioritised their rear suspension design over a loss in shock life essentially.

Pretty similar how most enduro bikes use trunnion because it packages easier, despite the fact we know its worse for shock wear.

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6/21/2024 1:20am

Why do you think they’re staying with the long yoke as part of their linkage? 

Dave_Camp wrote:

The advantages outweigh the small number of additional broken shocks. 

 

the yoke shock breaking thing is overblown imo. Ive seen warranty %s.

Evil96 wrote:
what would be the advantages other than lazy design? it seems just dumb to use a shock extender that is known to cause premature seal failure...

what would be the advantages other than lazy design? it seems just dumb to use a shock extender that is known to cause premature seal failure, side loading and snaps coil, it doesn't even feel that good. i've had one and it was garbage, a friend had a levo and it went through 3 shocks in 6 months, that's just crap.

If you had a Stevo and didn’t think it was good then i think you need to look inwards my friend, those bikes freaking rip. 
They were designed to use an air shock.. if you want to run a coil then deal with the consequences.

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