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5/24/2024 9:55am
Acadian wrote:
In the interview with Olivier mentioned that that during those days they would always develop Nico's frame/bike based on the world champ track that year -...

In the interview with Olivier mentioned that that during those days they would always develop Nico's frame/bike based on the world champ track that year - that was always the focus. 

I'm friends with an Ex- WC racer who raced the same years as Nico, she told me a few years ago that he did this even with his tires.  He would figure out which tires were best for the World Champs course and would race them for every race leading up to Worlds, regardless of conditions. Wet race...same tires, dry race...same tires, crazy rock gardens...same tires.  

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sspomer wrote:
teamrobot set a record for forum thumbs up, so here's a preview of what's to come (unlisted, only for the special people in this forum topic)...

teamrobot set a record for forum thumbs up, so here's a preview of what's to come (unlisted, only for the special people in this forum topic) regarding taking out pawls and testing ochain.

 

First my mom, then my teachers, now Spomer. It is always nice to hear that I am special Wink

This is giving the people what they want! Excited to see the results. Should I tell Switzerland to start making a bunch of 18T ratchets?

 

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Telemetry systems are banned under the UCI rules.   i wish news articles would call it the proper name data acquisition NOT telemetry!   telemetry broadcasts...

Telemetry systems are banned under the UCI rules.

 

i wish news articles would call it the proper name data acquisition NOT telemetry!

 

telemetry broadcasts to a third party location, ie you sat at home at a computer this is banned

 

recording data that is collected on the bike is not 

For DH racing you could probably do this without telemetry. Pre-ride the course, pressing buttons to program the distance from the start gate where events (like...

For DH racing you could probably do this without telemetry. Pre-ride the course, pressing buttons to program the distance from the start gate where events (like shock adjustment) should occur.

Then run the program in the race, you wouldn’t even need to be distracted by pressing buttons.

I don’t know if this is what’s happening here, or if there are rules about it. Just brainstorming a possibility. 

dolface wrote:

Telemetry is the new dampening.

I think you're referring to a difference between "telemetery" and "another word that sounds kinda like telemetry". Unfortunately I don't even know what the other word is, let alone the difference. Could you explain please?

(Remember when Willy Wonka sent candy over radio? I'm kinda hoping to learn that telemeatery is sending meat.)

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I think you're referring to a difference between "telemetery" and "another word that sounds kinda like telemetry". Unfortunately I don't even know what the other word...

I think you're referring to a difference between "telemetery" and "another word that sounds kinda like telemetry". Unfortunately I don't even know what the other word is, let alone the difference. Could you explain please?

(Remember when Willy Wonka sent candy over radio? I'm kinda hoping to learn that telemeatery is sending meat.)

(Remember when Willy Wonka sent candy over radio? I'm kinda hoping to learn that telemeatery is sending meat.)

 

Well technically cell phones and WiFi both are radio waves. So wouldn't "sending meat over radio just be a dick pic? 

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5/24/2024 12:44pm Edited Date/Time 5/24/2024 12:45pm
For DH racing you could probably do this without telemetry. Pre-ride the course, pressing buttons to program the distance from the start gate where events (like...

For DH racing you could probably do this without telemetry. Pre-ride the course, pressing buttons to program the distance from the start gate where events (like shock adjustment) should occur.

Then run the program in the race, you wouldn’t even need to be distracted by pressing buttons.

I don’t know if this is what’s happening here, or if there are rules about it. Just brainstorming a possibility. 

dolface wrote:

Telemetry is the new dampening.

I think you're referring to a difference between "telemetery" and "another word that sounds kinda like telemetry". Unfortunately I don't even know what the other word...

I think you're referring to a difference between "telemetery" and "another word that sounds kinda like telemetry". Unfortunately I don't even know what the other word is, let alone the difference. Could you explain please?

(Remember when Willy Wonka sent candy over radio? I'm kinda hoping to learn that telemeatery is sending meat.)

It's only telemetry if it comes from the telemetry region of France; otherwise it's just sparkling data acquisition.

 

But actually:


If the data being collected aren't also being transmitted, it isn't telemetry.

 

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5/24/2024 3:34pm Edited Date/Time 5/24/2024 4:07pm
sspomer wrote:
teamrobot set a record for forum thumbs up, so here's a preview of what's to come (unlisted, only for the special people in this forum topic)...

teamrobot set a record for forum thumbs up, so here's a preview of what's to come (unlisted, only for the special people in this forum topic) regarding taking out pawls and testing ochain.

 

You sneaky buggers, you planned this from the beginning!

Edit: I'm not going to add another post just for my thoughts on telemetry so I'll add it here.  The tele- in telemetry literally implies the use of a remote communications system of some sort (but obviously, for a bicycle the system must be wireless), as pointed out above by anotherbikeguy.  It's an ancient Greek root meaning "at a distance".  I think it's unambiguous.

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this post is on fire

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dolface wrote:

Telemetry is the new dampening.

I think you're referring to a difference between "telemetery" and "another word that sounds kinda like telemetry". Unfortunately I don't even know what the other word...

I think you're referring to a difference between "telemetery" and "another word that sounds kinda like telemetry". Unfortunately I don't even know what the other word is, let alone the difference. Could you explain please?

(Remember when Willy Wonka sent candy over radio? I'm kinda hoping to learn that telemeatery is sending meat.)

It's only telemetry if it comes from the telemetry region of France; otherwise it's just sparkling data acquisition.   But actually: If the data being collected...

It's only telemetry if it comes from the telemetry region of France; otherwise it's just sparkling data acquisition.

 

But actually:


If the data being collected aren't also being transmitted, it isn't telemetry.

 

The first part of your comment, is absolutely priceless

Well done

 

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Apologies for the off topic… but did he say dampener?!?

 

 

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sspomer wrote:
teamrobot set a record for forum thumbs up, so here's a preview of what's to come (unlisted, only for the special people in this forum topic)...

teamrobot set a record for forum thumbs up, so here's a preview of what's to come (unlisted, only for the special people in this forum topic) regarding taking out pawls and testing ochain.

 

What happens if someone gets the most amount of downvotes? Im asking… for a friend. 

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5/25/2024 2:30pm

Some bikeshop listed lyrik ultimate with new rockshox charger 3.1

https://www.fanatikbike.com/products/rockshox-lyrik-ultimate-29-charger…

CHARGER 3.1

We updated the plumbing through the Low Speed Compression circuit to make the oil’s easy-flow path even easier, allowing more oil to flow through the LSC when the adjuster is set to Open. 68% more oil flow, to be exact. This means less compression damping, so you can hold onto traction and control to mute low-speed trail noise. ​

​During testing, our World Cup racers requested more high-speed damping for an even more supportive ride on the fastest tracks. We increased the size of the High Speed Compression pyramid (peep that cutaway for a visual), to create more damping when the HSC adjuster is closed, so you can add the exact amount of support you need.

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Some bikeshop listed lyrik ultimate with new rockshox charger 3.1 https://www.fanatikbike.com/products/rockshox-lyrik-ultimate-29-charger-3-1-rc2-w-buttercup-44mm-offset-2025?variant=40884604928046 CHARGER 3.1 We updated the plumbing through the Low Speed Compression circuit to make the...

Some bikeshop listed lyrik ultimate with new rockshox charger 3.1

https://www.fanatikbike.com/products/rockshox-lyrik-ultimate-29-charger…

CHARGER 3.1

We updated the plumbing through the Low Speed Compression circuit to make the oil’s easy-flow path even easier, allowing more oil to flow through the LSC when the adjuster is set to Open. 68% more oil flow, to be exact. This means less compression damping, so you can hold onto traction and control to mute low-speed trail noise. ​

​During testing, our World Cup racers requested more high-speed damping for an even more supportive ride on the fastest tracks. We increased the size of the High Speed Compression pyramid (peep that cutaway for a visual), to create more damping when the HSC adjuster is closed, so you can add the exact amount of support you need.

How are brands so far off on what is needed for compression and rebound damping with all the development time and money behind these products?

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5/25/2024 6:34pm
haen wrote:

How are brands so far off on what is needed for compression and rebound damping with all the development time and money behind these products?

Often because High end parts are not designed for 'bumblers' 
When I wasnt riding at the level I am now, My compression, especially Low speed was All the way open, Now on certain forks Im getting close near full closed.

For reference I have about 3 clicks from open on my 3.1 damper. so i can see how the slower guys may ask for less compression.

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Knolly ebike incoming. 

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sspomer wrote:
teamrobot set a record for forum thumbs up, so here's a preview of what's to come (unlisted, only for the special people in this forum topic)...

teamrobot set a record for forum thumbs up, so here's a preview of what's to come (unlisted, only for the special people in this forum topic) regarding taking out pawls and testing ochain.

 

What happens if someone gets the most amount of downvotes? Im asking… for a friend. 

person with most downvotes gets a week-long visit by bizutch (who is not eligible b/c he def wins).

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5/25/2024 7:20pm
earleb wrote:

Knolly ebike incoming. 

That was an e-spartan with Knolly stickers... I think the new bike they are shooting is the updated Warden. Makes more sense to bring all their existing models up to straight-top-tube-spec rather than introduce new models.

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Some actual tech rumors, proto high pivot Devinci Wilson out now. Saw him riding this in Whistler today and it looks sick 

 

 

 

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5/25/2024 8:14pm Edited Date/Time 5/25/2024 8:15pm
haen wrote:

How are brands so far off on what is needed for compression and rebound damping with all the development time and money behind these products?

Often because High end parts are not designed for 'bumblers'  When I wasnt riding at the level I am now, My compression, especially Low speed was...

Often because High end parts are not designed for 'bumblers' 
When I wasnt riding at the level I am now, My compression, especially Low speed was All the way open, Now on certain forks Im getting close near full closed.

For reference I have about 3 clicks from open on my 3.1 damper. so i can see how the slower guys may ask for less compression.

I remember watching a moi moi video where they did testing and dropped a lighter compression tune into his Zeb. Seems like the pros can prefer lighter compression as well.  

Question still stands - how is it that every two years there are updated compression tunes. This applies to RS and the latest Fox Grip X2. Why can't they get it right the first time. 

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Isn't the Devinci DH proto just the bike Dak rode a few years ago? 

Anywho, the Charger 3.1 update, I kinda hope it will be possible to upgrade the 3 to it with just a few parts (like the spring update a few years ago) instead of buying a whole new damper. That would be ideal. 

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5/25/2024 9:12pm Edited Date/Time 5/25/2024 9:13pm


Black Maven Levers?!?! Or just Silver levers on Ultimate calipers? 
Found these on Conner Fearon’s Bikes Check 

 

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Black Maven Levers?!?! Or just Silver levers on Ultimate calipers?  Found these on Conner Fearon’s Bikes Check   


Black Maven Levers?!?! Or just Silver levers on Ultimate calipers? 
Found these on Conner Fearon’s Bikes Check 

 

image 12

 

black calipers as well. Only difference is titanium hardware on the ultimate I think so maybe they just switched that out because the black goes better with the frame  

 

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haen wrote:

How are brands so far off on what is needed for compression and rebound damping with all the development time and money behind these products?

Often because High end parts are not designed for 'bumblers'  When I wasnt riding at the level I am now, My compression, especially Low speed was...

Often because High end parts are not designed for 'bumblers' 
When I wasnt riding at the level I am now, My compression, especially Low speed was All the way open, Now on certain forks Im getting close near full closed.

For reference I have about 3 clicks from open on my 3.1 damper. so i can see how the slower guys may ask for less compression.

2supple wrote:
I remember watching a moi moi video where they did testing and dropped a lighter compression tune into his Zeb. Seems like the pros can prefer...

I remember watching a moi moi video where they did testing and dropped a lighter compression tune into his Zeb. Seems like the pros can prefer lighter compression as well.  

Question still stands - how is it that every two years there are updated compression tunes. This applies to RS and the latest Fox Grip X2. Why can't they get it right the first time. 

if they get i right you won’t buy the new new in 2 years

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5/26/2024 1:48am
Primoz wrote:
Isn't the Devinci DH proto just the bike Dak rode a few years ago?  Anywho, the Charger 3.1 update, I kinda hope it will be possible...

Isn't the Devinci DH proto just the bike Dak rode a few years ago? 

Anywho, the Charger 3.1 update, I kinda hope it will be possible to upgrade the 3 to it with just a few parts (like the spring update a few years ago) instead of buying a whole new damper. That would be ideal. 

It's RockShox so you will 100% be buying a whole new damper that's only slightly less hot garbage than the current POS.

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5/26/2024 10:45pm Edited Date/Time 5/26/2024 10:47pm


 

Flight Attendant Zeb and Vivid Air this weekend in Leogang

 

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haen wrote:

How are brands so far off on what is needed for compression and rebound damping with all the development time and money behind these products?

Often because High end parts are not designed for 'bumblers'  When I wasnt riding at the level I am now, My compression, especially Low speed was...

Often because High end parts are not designed for 'bumblers' 
When I wasnt riding at the level I am now, My compression, especially Low speed was All the way open, Now on certain forks Im getting close near full closed.

For reference I have about 3 clicks from open on my 3.1 damper. so i can see how the slower guys may ask for less compression.

2supple wrote:
I remember watching a moi moi video where they did testing and dropped a lighter compression tune into his Zeb. Seems like the pros can prefer...

I remember watching a moi moi video where they did testing and dropped a lighter compression tune into his Zeb. Seems like the pros can prefer lighter compression as well.  

Question still stands - how is it that every two years there are updated compression tunes. This applies to RS and the latest Fox Grip X2. Why can't they get it right the first time. 

Because they don't know WTF they are doing! It's the same reason bikes get longer by a few mm and slacker by 0.5º every design change. Most brands don't test the limits and thus are just winging it. It's ridiculous. 

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5/27/2024 5:08am
Often because High end parts are not designed for 'bumblers'  When I wasnt riding at the level I am now, My compression, especially Low speed was...

Often because High end parts are not designed for 'bumblers' 
When I wasnt riding at the level I am now, My compression, especially Low speed was All the way open, Now on certain forks Im getting close near full closed.

For reference I have about 3 clicks from open on my 3.1 damper. so i can see how the slower guys may ask for less compression.

2supple wrote:
I remember watching a moi moi video where they did testing and dropped a lighter compression tune into his Zeb. Seems like the pros can prefer...

I remember watching a moi moi video where they did testing and dropped a lighter compression tune into his Zeb. Seems like the pros can prefer lighter compression as well.  

Question still stands - how is it that every two years there are updated compression tunes. This applies to RS and the latest Fox Grip X2. Why can't they get it right the first time. 

Fred_Pop wrote:
Because they don't know WTF they are doing! It's the same reason bikes get longer by a few mm and slacker by 0.5º every design change...

Because they don't know WTF they are doing! It's the same reason bikes get longer by a few mm and slacker by 0.5º every design change. Most brands don't test the limits and thus are just winging it. It's ridiculous. 

I remember Ben cathro talked about how a long time ago orange made him a custom dh bike based on his height that had similar numbers to what he rides now and he didn’t get along with it.  It was a massive change from what he was used to and he struggled with it.  Ultimately going back to riding a stock or near stock bike.

so pros, consumers, and bike designers alike seem to benefit from the slight geo changes every few years but a huge change just doesn’t work for most people.  Especially true if they are on the faster side or hitting big features and a few crashes learning a big change is a big deal.

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Primoz wrote:
Isn't the Devinci DH proto just the bike Dak rode a few years ago?  Anywho, the Charger 3.1 update, I kinda hope it will be possible...

Isn't the Devinci DH proto just the bike Dak rode a few years ago? 

Anywho, the Charger 3.1 update, I kinda hope it will be possible to upgrade the 3 to it with just a few parts (like the spring update a few years ago) instead of buying a whole new damper. That would be ideal. 

It's RockShox so you will 100% be buying a whole new damper that's only slightly less hot garbage than the current POS.

I bet you think kashima makes a difference too?

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Primoz wrote:
Isn't the Devinci DH proto just the bike Dak rode a few years ago?  Anywho, the Charger 3.1 update, I kinda hope it will be possible...

Isn't the Devinci DH proto just the bike Dak rode a few years ago? 

Anywho, the Charger 3.1 update, I kinda hope it will be possible to upgrade the 3 to it with just a few parts (like the spring update a few years ago) instead of buying a whole new damper. That would be ideal. 

It's RockShox so you will 100% be buying a whole new damper that's only slightly less hot garbage than the current POS.

I bet you think kashima makes a difference too?

It doesn’t? 

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Have any of you guys heard of a potential light eMTB from Rocky Mountain?

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