With what the Aeris AM and 9 became I fully expect any updates to the Aether (imminent given the sales of the current one?) will bring it closer to what the AM9 was.
I'm not sure what changes they'd make apart from a UDH.
There's not anything I'd change tbh. Longer CS maybe as it is fashionable right now. Personally I like them short but my local riding is tech, mega steep and not super quick.
Just so you know, you argument is invalid as you keep moving the goal posts.
First it's, lockouts saved so much time on the flat.
I...
Just so you know, you argument is invalid as you keep moving the goal posts.
First it's, lockouts saved so much time on the flat.
I referenced the actual timing of the athletes with lockout and the race timing and it's sector 2 that decided the race, followed by sector 3, sector 4 and 5 are both so short and the timings so close it didn't make the race at all.
But now you make an argument that can't be disproven, that the athletes were faster than they would have been. Well maybe, we can't disprove that but again, sector 2 won the race.
Nobody is doubting the gains that CAN be made by electronic lockout, but it's certainly not a game changer. But you can't make these sweeping arguments that the podium was stacked with them because of it, you can't prove it.
I would argue it's no surprise that Specialised and Canyon riders are on the podium, they're two of the most professional teams with strict and efficient off seasons and new bikes at the cutting edge and track side timers to help them pick lines. Lockouts, maybe it helped, but the timings say it didn't actually matter.
Whats your thoughts on this:
Tune your suspension only for sector 2, dial it there, don't compromise on anything else, then the buttons firm things up for the end of the track? Most others had to compromise between these two severely different parts of the track, slowing them down in sector 2?
That bike was super cool, I love when it pops up every so often. But 26/24 mullets were terrible I still remember my 2002 Bighit DH getting...
That bike was super cool, I love when it pops up every so often. But 26/24 mullets were terrible I still remember my 2002 Bighit DH getting caught up on everything and I was trying to figure out what I was doing wrong until I got my A-line the two years later. Those 24" wheels were bomb hole magnets.
The bike is a 29/26 mullet, thus the 69er name.
I too had a 26/24 setup on my old Super 8, but I never really felt myself hanging up on things. But the rear tire was a 3.0.
@smelly Luca was on the electronics and had his best result (or one of them) in the past couple seasons. DAK was the only one on...
@smelly Luca was on the electronics and had his best result (or one of them) in the past couple seasons. DAK was the only one on the podium without electronic lockout. And all of the racers with electronic lockout made the podium in both mens and womens elite races.
I've heard from someone who was in Fort William, working alongside a couple Flight Attendant athletes and they're VERY stoked for the advantage that it gave them on that track, but they're not going to be publicly chalking their success up to tech, vs their riding. How much advantage it's giving the riders can be debated. I think it's VERY reasonable to suggest a savings of 1-2 seconds on that track. It's fair to say Vali doesn't win that race without it--she finished only 0.56 seconds up on Nina.
Additionally, to the people who keep noting that all of the electronic lockout racers didn't hold all the fastest splits on the motorway: That's not the point. The point is, they maybe went a second faster than they would have without the lockout. Just because they have the lockout doesn't mean they automatically are the fastest on the motorway--it's not that much of a benefit haha.
I'm going to guess the VAST majority of people in this forum have never raced XC at a high level and have been in a sprint and know the power loss of even un-locked 120mm of suspension. Every time we come to the final lap, we lock out the bike to save the 'half second' in the final short sprint to the line. It's noticeable. Can't imagine the savings on a 200mm bike with a coil shock.
Just so you know, you argument is invalid as you keep moving the goal posts.
First it's, lockouts saved so much time on the flat.
I...
Just so you know, you argument is invalid as you keep moving the goal posts.
First it's, lockouts saved so much time on the flat.
I referenced the actual timing of the athletes with lockout and the race timing and it's sector 2 that decided the race, followed by sector 3, sector 4 and 5 are both so short and the timings so close it didn't make the race at all.
But now you make an argument that can't be disproven, that the athletes were faster than they would have been. Well maybe, we can't disprove that but again, sector 2 won the race.
Nobody is doubting the gains that CAN be made by electronic lockout, but it's certainly not a game changer. But you can't make these sweeping arguments that the podium was stacked with them because of it, you can't prove it.
I would argue it's no surprise that Specialised and Canyon riders are on the podium, they're two of the most professional teams with strict and efficient off seasons and new bikes at the cutting edge and track side timers to help them pick lines. Lockouts, maybe it helped, but the timings say it didn't actually matter.
The important part for all of us to remeber is that its all just individual opinion, about adults playing on bikes in the woods, none of it means anything really. We dont have all the info, we dont know exactly whats being tested and ridden, or how, why or if it even works, we are just guessing.
Just so you know, you argument is invalid as you keep moving the goal posts.
First it's, lockouts saved so much time on the flat.
I...
Just so you know, you argument is invalid as you keep moving the goal posts.
First it's, lockouts saved so much time on the flat.
I referenced the actual timing of the athletes with lockout and the race timing and it's sector 2 that decided the race, followed by sector 3, sector 4 and 5 are both so short and the timings so close it didn't make the race at all.
But now you make an argument that can't be disproven, that the athletes were faster than they would have been. Well maybe, we can't disprove that but again, sector 2 won the race.
Nobody is doubting the gains that CAN be made by electronic lockout, but it's certainly not a game changer. But you can't make these sweeping arguments that the podium was stacked with them because of it, you can't prove it.
I would argue it's no surprise that Specialised and Canyon riders are on the podium, they're two of the most professional teams with strict and efficient off seasons and new bikes at the cutting edge and track side timers to help them pick lines. Lockouts, maybe it helped, but the timings say it didn't actually matter.
Whats your thoughts on this:
Tune your suspension only for sector 2, dial it there, don't compromise on anything else, then the buttons firm things up...
Whats your thoughts on this:
Tune your suspension only for sector 2, dial it there, don't compromise on anything else, then the buttons firm things up for the end of the track? Most others had to compromise between these two severely different parts of the track, slowing them down in sector 2?
If you havent already, this is a good watch.
some of the RS FA stuff looks very "quiet" in its movements, almost like it runs lotas of controlled damping both on compression and rebound.
The Spesh boys, look low, fast and smooth on the last couple jumps
New coil from fox it seems like, no electronic here, might be a new DHX2
New coil from fox it seems like, no electronic here, might be a new DHX2
that‘s the production ready electronic dhx, battery is on the left side. you can see that sensor on the rear brake caliper. asa vermett used it in fort bill.
Anyone know when the new zeb is incoming? Badly need a new fork but would rather hang on if the new one isn’t far away.
I would assume within the new couple years. They had the charger 3.1 out at the Taipei cycle show a few months ago. I'm sure its still in prototype phase. I just bought a new Zeb a few months ago and if the 3.1 is that much better, I can upgrade the damper.
Anyone else having notification issues with this thread? For the last few days it takes me to the most recent post and I have to scroll back to see any other posts since my last visit. All other threads I'm subscribed to seem to be working as normal.
Anyone know the reason he doesn’t want to ride the specialized enduro??
I saw in a few places that Spesh riders that are also sponsored by SRAM were “pushed” to race the Stumpy EVO when transmission was released because the Enduro didn’t have UDH and the EVO did.
Listening to the podcast with Page and Foes and Brent mentioned maybe needing to make a suspension piece himself. With Sam being a big SRAM guy you know it won't be a fork or shock. That reminded me of the FFR proto that was I think the last DH bike Goes made.
With what the Aeris AM and 9 became I fully expect any updates to the Aether (imminent given the sales of the current one?) will bring it closer to what the AM9 was.
I'm not sure what changes they'd make apart from a UDH.
There's not anything I'd change tbh. Longer CS maybe as it is fashionable right now. Personally I like them short but my local riding is tech, mega steep and not super quick.
Whats your thoughts on this:
Tune your suspension only for sector 2, dial it there, don't compromise on anything else, then the buttons firm things up for the end of the track? Most others had to compromise between these two severely different parts of the track, slowing them down in sector 2?
electronic suspension discussion topic created here - https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/electronic-suspension-discussion (you're all welcome to start these yourselves. if they're good topics, i'll homepage them).
#gizmos
@ARon: it's Michael
The bike is a 29/26 mullet, thus the 69er name.
I too had a 26/24 setup on my old Super 8, but I never really felt myself hanging up on things. But the rear tire was a 3.0.
The important part for all of us to remeber is that its all just individual opinion, about adults playing on bikes in the woods, none of it means anything really. We dont have all the info, we dont know exactly whats being tested and ridden, or how, why or if it even works, we are just guessing.
Its cool stuff, thats really the end of it.
If you havent already, this is a good watch.
some of the RS FA stuff looks very "quiet" in its movements, almost like it runs lotas of controlled damping both on compression and rebound.
The Spesh boys, look low, fast and smooth on the last couple jumps
https://www.vitalmtb.com/videos/features/bike-magic-fort-william-world-…
new front tire on richies rig?
The new Foes Sam Hill DH...
My speculation is that Brent brings back the DHS Mono but with a normal sized shock.
I have played around with this linkage layout and it can provide a nice progressive LR without and crazy shapes to it.
I haven't listened to the podcast with Page and probably should but from the IG clip shared it had me thinking of interesting old Foes DH bikes.
I wonder if anyone ever accidentally tried to thread a BB in the rear triangle's hollow brace...
Highroller 3
Looks like there's no new Stumpy for now... Charles Murray is racing the current Stumpy Evo in Finale Ligure.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6wif2SsGW6/?igsh=bGEwYzgyNXA4MXUw
Anyone know when the new zeb is incoming? Badly need a new fork but would rather hang on if the new one isn’t far away.
that‘s the production ready electronic dhx, battery is on the left side. you can see that sensor on the rear brake caliper. asa vermett used it in fort bill.
New Marin from MBUK enduro bike test?
Downtube storage and udh
And looks like a flip chip at the chainstay pivot for 29/27.5 change ?
First the DH bike and now this, Marin's going Horst
Nice have the URT option for the truly old school.
This, was wondering if anyone will mention this.
Anyone know the reason he doesn’t want to ride the specialized enduro??
I would assume within the new couple years. They had the charger 3.1 out at the Taipei cycle show a few months ago. I'm sure its still in prototype phase. I just bought a new Zeb a few months ago and if the 3.1 is that much better, I can upgrade the damper.
June supposedly.
Padmelon steering damper too
More efficient, adjustable and lightweight I guess
Edit: also UDH
Anyone else having notification issues with this thread? For the last few days it takes me to the most recent post and I have to scroll back to see any other posts since my last visit. All other threads I'm subscribed to seem to be working as normal.
I saw in a few places that Spesh riders that are also sponsored by SRAM were “pushed” to race the Stumpy EVO when transmission was released because the Enduro didn’t have UDH and the EVO did.
https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/Foes-FFR-Dual-Damper-Seen-at-…
It had a second shock to control down travel.