TF. He deleted the post, and as mentioned prodigiously, it is only the second-worst secret behind what team "Freckles" Norton is riding for now. No need...
TF. He deleted the post, and as mentioned prodigiously, it is only the second-worst secret behind what team "Freckles" Norton is riding for now. No need to shit all over a guy.
I give people a hard time. They give me a hard time. Guy stuff.
When you think about the fact that he's pulling $400k without factory support, it makes you wonder what kind of budget the factory teams are working...
When you think about the fact that he's pulling $400k without factory support, it makes you wonder what kind of budget the factory teams are working with. I don't think anyone on the Framesworks team is making more than $100k, and I'd highly doubt anyone is making more than $80k. If we suppose the salary mix is $50k-$100k, with Saurez, Whitley and Neko averaging $75k, thats $225k, plus Asa at say, $50k, and a mechanic at $50k, we're only leaving $75k for travel expenses and event fees. Even that seems kinda low. Especially as they are paying a crew to film for social media, and they need money left over to buy and produce frames.
I think you're overestimating the salaries of DH riders and support staff by quite a bit. The top 5 or 10 in the world might average...
I think you're overestimating the salaries of DH riders and support staff by quite a bit. The top 5 or 10 in the world might average $100k salary with a capped bonus structure but after that, the top 10-25 probably make $25k with good bonus structure or $40k with a small bonus structure. Outside the top 25 and juniors is probably $15k salary or less. Mechanics are probably paid at most what you're suggesting, but realistically a little lower. All that said, Neko's budget sounds lean, but very doable when you have smart minds like his and Martin's running things.
Based on personal experience I would say you are underestimating what the top 20 riders make by quite a bit. I dont think it is as...
Based on personal experience I would say you are underestimating what the top 20 riders make by quite a bit. I dont think it is as bad out there as people think. Just based on personal experience and very close relationships.
I don't know current salary structure but even over a decade ago in slalom's prime, a buddy was offered $30k yr from Iron Horse to race Dual Slalom for a year and free equipment. He turned it down b/c they HAD to run GripShift. Sram had no thumb shifters.
It was a good move on his part. Seems happy these days and still involved in the industry & got to avoid a possible Wade Bootes administrated first turn collarbone take out or three.
New gt race team in nz, riders yet to be officially announced but i know who two of them are. Bit of a development team to get riders prepared for the future
When you think about the fact that he's pulling $400k without factory support, it makes you wonder what kind of budget the factory teams are working...
When you think about the fact that he's pulling $400k without factory support, it makes you wonder what kind of budget the factory teams are working with. I don't think anyone on the Framesworks team is making more than $100k, and I'd highly doubt anyone is making more than $80k. If we suppose the salary mix is $50k-$100k, with Saurez, Whitley and Neko averaging $75k, thats $225k, plus Asa at say, $50k, and a mechanic at $50k, we're only leaving $75k for travel expenses and event fees. Even that seems kinda low. Especially as they are paying a crew to film for social media, and they need money left over to buy and produce frames.
I imagine neko is paying his staff well. But some world cup teams still pay staff peanuts. With weird mixes of day rates, product, bikes etc... it's pretty low brow as far as I know
Based on personal experience I would say you are underestimating what the top 20 riders make by quite a bit. I dont think it is as...
Based on personal experience I would say you are underestimating what the top 20 riders make by quite a bit. I dont think it is as bad out there as people think. Just based on personal experience and very close relationships.
This deserves its own thread, but unless you are looking at the contract first hand, take everything with a grain of salt. I've negotiated on behalf of a handful of professional athletes in adjacent sports as an "agent" (LOL) and I've also watched people flat lie about what they were making to feel better about themselves. I get it. Its a topic riddled with insecurity.
While I'd wager there are more athletes making $100-200K+ than most think (I'm including influencer types and freeriders in this), its a terrible career choice in every sense of the word "choice".
If I was a dad, and my kid showed any less promise than Asa or a young Keegan/Vali, I'd make it very clear how unlikely it was he/she is to ever make a real living doing anything in the sport as a racer. Remember, your net worth as a racer is getting pitted against all sorts of other advertising and marketing instruments. That's not a fight I'd want to wage in 2024. This doesn't mean don't race, it just means everyone should be eyes wide open as to what you are really worth. This isn't NIL NCAA, and we should treat it appropriately as mentors/uncles/coaches/parents.
The good news is there are a bazillion awesome careers out there for anyone who loves mountain biking. Things you can do where you are given plenty of time to ride, race and thrive within the sport.
Turns out, you don't need the sport to pay you for it to be a worthwhile endeavor. We're all super lucky to get to do this at all. I think the more we have this sort of attitude, the better the entirety of the culture really is.
Regarding the Frameworks salaries... As has been said here earlier I think, Neko said that Unno paid Angel's contact for this year so they got him for super cheap. Maybe $25k salary + his travel/bike expenses paid. Neko is likely taking a very minimal salary, Martin is probably discounting himself, but I can't see him doing it for less than $75k/yr. The mechanics are not big name mechanics and they're working part of the year so probably $40k each X2.
Asa is the wildcard... In the past juniors would be getting paid nothing... but he's going to likely be winning races, getting on TV, etc. Good chance he's making $50k because other brands would have snagged him up for less than that. I doubt there is a big bonus structure in this team because Frameworks does not have deep pockets to find money from or a parent company to use as insurance... etc.
Based on personal experience I would say you are underestimating what the top 20 riders make by quite a bit. I dont think it is as...
Based on personal experience I would say you are underestimating what the top 20 riders make by quite a bit. I dont think it is as bad out there as people think. Just based on personal experience and very close relationships.
This deserves its own thread, but unless you are looking at the contract first hand, take everything with a grain of salt. I've negotiated on behalf...
This deserves its own thread, but unless you are looking at the contract first hand, take everything with a grain of salt. I've negotiated on behalf of a handful of professional athletes in adjacent sports as an "agent" (LOL) and I've also watched people flat lie about what they were making to feel better about themselves. I get it. Its a topic riddled with insecurity.
While I'd wager there are more athletes making $100-200K+ than most think (I'm including influencer types and freeriders in this), its a terrible career choice in every sense of the word "choice".
If I was a dad, and my kid showed any less promise than Asa or a young Keegan/Vali, I'd make it very clear how unlikely it was he/she is to ever make a real living doing anything in the sport as a racer. Remember, your net worth as a racer is getting pitted against all sorts of other advertising and marketing instruments. That's not a fight I'd want to wage in 2024. This doesn't mean don't race, it just means everyone should be eyes wide open as to what you are really worth. This isn't NIL NCAA, and we should treat it appropriately as mentors/uncles/coaches/parents.
The good news is there are a bazillion awesome careers out there for anyone who loves mountain biking. Things you can do where you are given plenty of time to ride, race and thrive within the sport.
Turns out, you don't need the sport to pay you for it to be a worthwhile endeavor. We're all super lucky to get to do this at all. I think the more we have this sort of attitude, the better the entirety of the culture really is.
I agree 100%. Ride and race for the enjoyment and the time with your kids. But sometimes it works out and its just a bonus on top of all the great time and learning you do with your kid.
Was my first thought.. Outline looks exactly like their Delano model. Would be a big win for Fezzari
The Delano was offered in blue, and you can see part of the bike in that pic.....in a similar blue. It was also first offered with DPX2, and it has UDH....
Regarding the Frameworks salaries... As has been said here earlier I think, Neko said that Unno paid Angel's contact for this year so they got him...
Regarding the Frameworks salaries... As has been said here earlier I think, Neko said that Unno paid Angel's contact for this year so they got him for super cheap. Maybe $25k salary + his travel/bike expenses paid. Neko is likely taking a very minimal salary, Martin is probably discounting himself, but I can't see him doing it for less than $75k/yr. The mechanics are not big name mechanics and they're working part of the year so probably $40k each X2.
Asa is the wildcard... In the past juniors would be getting paid nothing... but he's going to likely be winning races, getting on TV, etc. Good chance he's making $50k because other brands would have snagged him up for less than that. I doubt there is a big bonus structure in this team because Frameworks does not have deep pockets to find money from or a parent company to use as insurance... etc.
I have no facts regarding the subject, and anyone wiser is welcome to correct me, but 40k$ sounds WILD for a race mechanic salary. If we count like 10 races a years for the team, 5 days per race, and a few team camps, we get to around 60 days of work. Got to be quite a bike wrench to pay that kind of hourly wage!
The Delano was offered in blue, and you can see part of the bike in that pic.....in a similar blue. It was also first offered with...
The Delano was offered in blue, and you can see part of the bike in that pic.....in a similar blue. It was also first offered with DPX2, and it has UDH....
They have a new blue color way available on their site now in certain builds... just sayin.
Regarding the Frameworks salaries... As has been said here earlier I think, Neko said that Unno paid Angel's contact for this year so they got him...
Regarding the Frameworks salaries... As has been said here earlier I think, Neko said that Unno paid Angel's contact for this year so they got him for super cheap. Maybe $25k salary + his travel/bike expenses paid. Neko is likely taking a very minimal salary, Martin is probably discounting himself, but I can't see him doing it for less than $75k/yr. The mechanics are not big name mechanics and they're working part of the year so probably $40k each X2.
Asa is the wildcard... In the past juniors would be getting paid nothing... but he's going to likely be winning races, getting on TV, etc. Good chance he's making $50k because other brands would have snagged him up for less than that. I doubt there is a big bonus structure in this team because Frameworks does not have deep pockets to find money from or a parent company to use as insurance... etc.
I have no facts regarding the subject, and anyone wiser is welcome to correct me, but 40k$ sounds WILD for a race mechanic salary. If we...
I have no facts regarding the subject, and anyone wiser is welcome to correct me, but 40k$ sounds WILD for a race mechanic salary. If we count like 10 races a years for the team, 5 days per race, and a few team camps, we get to around 60 days of work. Got to be quite a bike wrench to pay that kind of hourly wage!
/offtopic
I have no facts other but some things to consider:
- Pretty sure the team will be at a LOT more than 10 races, like most of the US series ones
- Poverty line for a family of 4 is $30k, living wage is a LOT higher
Would be interesting if he went back to Commencal, I feel like I remember him on the other site podcast talking about signing with virus and...
Would be interesting if he went back to Commencal, I feel like I remember him on the other site podcast talking about signing with virus and how he hadn't vibed with Commencal. But could be totally off in my memory..
I was like what I forgot he wasn’t even on Commencal anymore
The Delano was offered in blue, and you can see part of the bike in that pic.....in a similar blue. It was also first offered with...
The Delano was offered in blue, and you can see part of the bike in that pic.....in a similar blue. It was also first offered with DPX2, and it has UDH....
I'm always looking for an excuse to post music, and this feels fitting
Regarding Neko's budget for Frameworks, when I first saw the interview for some reason I thought the number he quoted came across as the budget without salary, just the budget to run all the rest of the operations for the team for the season. Maybe I am totally wrong.
Sure says a lot about Neko's frames if Angel picks them to ride when money isn't in the equation, and he could ride just about any...
Sure says a lot about Neko's frames if Angel picks them to ride when money isn't in the equation, and he could ride just about any frame.
Watching the team launch video, Angel had never even ridden the frame until that day. That's a huge risk IMO but then again these guys are fast no matter what and can adapt. He must have really trusted Neko's Geo/kinematic.
Watching the team launch video, Angel had never even ridden the frame until that day. That's a huge risk IMO but then again these guys are...
Watching the team launch video, Angel had never even ridden the frame until that day. That's a huge risk IMO but then again these guys are fast no matter what and can adapt. He must have really trusted Neko's Geo/kinematic.
That and the fact he's managed by Martin Whitely and probably didn't have many other options, Frameworks was his best option. If he does well this year maybe he'll get better offers.
Funny, Fezzari was my first thought too.
The visible shock compression knob is a Fox DPX2 knob--not sponsor-correct for Strait (I'm sure it'll be replaced by...
Funny, Fezzari was my first thought too.
The visible shock compression knob is a Fox DPX2 knob--not sponsor-correct for Strait (I'm sure it'll be replaced by the time we see the full bike) and also mostly superseded by the new Float X now for OEM spec. Which, to me, suggests somebody pulled out a previous model-year frame (leftover stock, or maybe unused warranty stock) to get him rolling on a bike as quickly as possible. Curious to see what it turns out to be.
They do offer Delano peak builds with the XX Transmission, Stans wheels, and that looks like a DHF front tire and Aggressor rear. I'd say a good guess on the Fezzari Delano peak.
Funny, Fezzari was my first thought too.
The visible shock compression knob is a Fox DPX2 knob--not sponsor-correct for Strait (I'm sure it'll be replaced by...
Funny, Fezzari was my first thought too.
The visible shock compression knob is a Fox DPX2 knob--not sponsor-correct for Strait (I'm sure it'll be replaced by the time we see the full bike) and also mostly superseded by the new Float X now for OEM spec. Which, to me, suggests somebody pulled out a previous model-year frame (leftover stock, or maybe unused warranty stock) to get him rolling on a bike as quickly as possible. Curious to see what it turns out to be.
They do offer Delano peak builds with the XX Transmission, Stans wheels, and that looks like a DHF front tire and Aggressor rear. I'd say a...
They do offer Delano peak builds with the XX Transmission, Stans wheels, and that looks like a DHF front tire and Aggressor rear. I'd say a good guess on the Fezzari Delano peak.
I'll just stop the wound from bleeding more, not a fezz.
The Delano was offered in blue, and you can see part of the bike in that pic.....in a similar blue. It was also first offered with...
The Delano was offered in blue, and you can see part of the bike in that pic.....in a similar blue. It was also first offered with DPX2, and it has UDH....
I give people a hard time. They give me a hard time. Guy stuff.
No trigger warnings. Just nonsense good times.
I lack emoji utility to soften the sillyness.
Bikes at Wide Open Distributers which sell/distribute GoodYear - https://www.wideopen.co.nz/
was just sent this by rogue racing TM, not sure if old news. rogue and GT this year
I don't know current salary structure but even over a decade ago in slalom's prime, a buddy was offered $30k yr from Iron Horse to race Dual Slalom for a year and free equipment. He turned it down b/c they HAD to run GripShift. Sram had no thumb shifters.
It was a good move on his part. Seems happy these days and still involved in the industry & got to avoid a possible Wade Bootes administrated first turn collarbone take out or three.
I imagine neko is paying his staff well. But some world cup teams still pay staff peanuts. With weird mixes of day rates, product, bikes etc... it's pretty low brow as far as I know
This deserves its own thread, but unless you are looking at the contract first hand, take everything with a grain of salt. I've negotiated on behalf of a handful of professional athletes in adjacent sports as an "agent" (LOL) and I've also watched people flat lie about what they were making to feel better about themselves. I get it. Its a topic riddled with insecurity.
While I'd wager there are more athletes making $100-200K+ than most think (I'm including influencer types and freeriders in this), its a terrible career choice in every sense of the word "choice".
If I was a dad, and my kid showed any less promise than Asa or a young Keegan/Vali, I'd make it very clear how unlikely it was he/she is to ever make a real living doing anything in the sport as a racer. Remember, your net worth as a racer is getting pitted against all sorts of other advertising and marketing instruments. That's not a fight I'd want to wage in 2024. This doesn't mean don't race, it just means everyone should be eyes wide open as to what you are really worth. This isn't NIL NCAA, and we should treat it appropriately as mentors/uncles/coaches/parents.
The good news is there are a bazillion awesome careers out there for anyone who loves mountain biking. Things you can do where you are given plenty of time to ride, race and thrive within the sport.
Turns out, you don't need the sport to pay you for it to be a worthwhile endeavor. We're all super lucky to get to do this at all. I think the more we have this sort of attitude, the better the entirety of the culture really is.
Regarding the Frameworks salaries... As has been said here earlier I think, Neko said that Unno paid Angel's contact for this year so they got him for super cheap. Maybe $25k salary + his travel/bike expenses paid. Neko is likely taking a very minimal salary, Martin is probably discounting himself, but I can't see him doing it for less than $75k/yr. The mechanics are not big name mechanics and they're working part of the year so probably $40k each X2.
Asa is the wildcard... In the past juniors would be getting paid nothing... but he's going to likely be winning races, getting on TV, etc. Good chance he's making $50k because other brands would have snagged him up for less than that. I doubt there is a big bonus structure in this team because Frameworks does not have deep pockets to find money from or a parent company to use as insurance... etc.
I agree 100%. Ride and race for the enjoyment and the time with your kids. But sometimes it works out and its just a bonus on top of all the great time and learning you do with your kid.
The Delano was offered in blue, and you can see part of the bike in that pic.....in a similar blue. It was also first offered with DPX2, and it has UDH....
I have no facts regarding the subject, and anyone wiser is welcome to correct me, but 40k$ sounds WILD for a race mechanic salary. If we count like 10 races a years for the team, 5 days per race, and a few team camps, we get to around 60 days of work. Got to be quite a bike wrench to pay that kind of hourly wage!
/offtopic
They have a new blue color way available on their site now in certain builds... just sayin.
I have no facts other but some things to consider:
- Pretty sure the team will be at a LOT more than 10 races, like most of the US series ones
- Poverty line for a family of 4 is $30k, living wage is a LOT higher
- Health insurance is expensive.
I was like what I forgot he wasn’t even on Commencal anymore
I'm always looking for an excuse to post music, and this feels fitting
Regarding Neko's budget for Frameworks, when I first saw the interview for some reason I thought the number he quoted came across as the budget without salary, just the budget to run all the rest of the operations for the team for the season. Maybe I am totally wrong.
Also, update on #frecklegate. He's playing hard to get.
Sure says a lot about Neko's frames if Angel picks them to ride when money isn't in the equation, and he could ride just about any frame.
Watching the team launch video, Angel had never even ridden the frame until that day. That's a huge risk IMO but then again these guys are fast no matter what and can adapt. He must have really trusted Neko's Geo/kinematic.
That and the fact he's managed by Martin Whitely and probably didn't have many other options, Frameworks was his best option. If he does well this year maybe he'll get better offers.
Surprised nobody mentioned the proto Tues in the video with Vali. It was fully cloaked, but still...
best thing about the D.Norton hands pic is he had to ask someone else to take it!
the conspiracy is growing...pretty soon someone will cave...
(or there'll be an announcement the day after tomorrow)
Is there a hand version of wikifeet?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2dQ2Thslnh/?igsh=MTF3cjJmaXI5MDIxag==
Aimi Kenyon on a Trek in Uncrafted kit. Probably old news but hey #TEAMRUMOURS 🤘
They do offer Delano peak builds with the XX Transmission, Stans wheels, and that looks like a DHF front tire and Aggressor rear. I'd say a good guess on the Fezzari Delano peak.
Ew.
Sian Ahern was riding a neoprene wrapped Tues proto in one of Jack Moir's recent videos too
I'll just stop the wound from bleeding more, not a fezz.
Haha, I also use this song quite a bit, when the talk is about waiting. Great match!
Mx
I wanna know who the hell is downvoting Fugazi.
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