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Big Bird 6/19/2021 8:33am
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Primoz wrote:
It doesn't. It might not bob, but that has nothing to do with overall performance. A heavy bike, even if the antisquat is dialed, is still...
It doesn't. It might not bob, but that has nothing to do with overall performance. A heavy bike, even if the antisquat is dialed, is still a heavy bike.

There is no need for a FR bike to pedal badly, so to bob, but it will not be as nippy and agile on technicalities, as a lighter, smaller bike will be. And it will be more of a cow going down as well. The Hightower is more playful than the Megatower, the Megatower, based on what a friend of mine said, is a plow bike and needs to be pushed hard, to become at least a bit lively. Which means you're going really fast.
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I only mentioned peddling. Check the anti squat for both there pretty close, heavier bikes are heavier we all get that.
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peddling
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It's a verb. The act of selling. Just saying.
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TheSuspensionLabNZ 6/19/2021 1:05pm
6/19/2021 1:05pm
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I'm just waiting for an integrated dropper/rear shock system. On a modern enduro rig post up probably means shock firmed up, and post down means shock...
I'm just waiting for an integrated dropper/rear shock system. On a modern enduro rig post up probably means shock firmed up, and post down means shock open.

One lever to rule them all.

Integration could also add oil volume to a shock without adding more weight.
I'm personally hoping you can set your own "map" since by the looks of things there will be a pedal sensor along with the current dropper post and shifters.

So you could maybe set a rule like "dropper at full height" + "shifter in easiest gear" = Firmest position or "seat down" + "constant pedalling" = 60% LSC etc.

Just speculating! But this is what I would do
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brash 6/19/2021 5:28pm
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to really be effective it would be slowing LSR down too like the cane creek climb switch, their one works the best of all of them IMO.
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Fgibbo 6/20/2021 5:27pm
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Just wondering if anyone has any info on 7 speed axs and when it going to drop?
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Fgibbo 6/20/2021 5:48pm
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New rotors from sram as they are 220mm as you can see on the back with the 40mm post mount
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Fgibbo 6/20/2021 5:55pm
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and looks like a custom mount on the front
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SB14 6/21/2021 2:29am
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Someone commented on th Hayes Dorado product page about the fork being discontinued, and they replied: "Ledgens never die", and link to this :

https://hayesbicycle.com/pages/dorado

Maybe this was mentioned a few pages back when the guy at darkfest was running what looked to be a (new) Dorado.
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querynotfound wrote:
Thanks for reminding me that I took this picture back in 2019. Looks like this has been in the works for a while [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/06/18/10997/s1200_IMG_20190804_111239_Copy.jpg[/img]
Thanks for reminding me that I took this picture back in 2019. Looks like this has been in the works for a while



This could well be the same Sentinel that drove an RS engineer to design the MegNeg.

This bike only came with a DPX back then and it would likely have to have been owned by an RS employee for it to have a SuperDeluxe, and a prototype one, in fact.
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C-LION 6/21/2021 4:40am
6/21/2021 4:40am
New Norco Range will be released on Wednesday evening 6pm CET I heard
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Downhill2407 6/21/2021 5:48am
6/21/2021 5:48am
C-LION wrote:
New Norco Range will be released on Wednesday evening 6pm CET I heard
I have Seen it yesterday
It Looks really good and seems to be fast.
Was at a swiss Downhill cup.
ARonBurgundy 6/21/2021 8:00am
6/21/2021 8:00am
noeserdalt wrote:
New maxxis sidewall protection? ZK [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/06/17/10987/s1200_20210617_154314.jpg[/img]
New maxxis sidewall protection? ZK


jeff231 wrote:
Interesting, and 2.50 wide too. Current DHR IIs are 2.40.
ZK is a puncture protection material from the Maxxis road line. It's been adapted to DH for team use only at the moment. ZK is considerably more expensive than existing materials which is why it hasn't made it into production tires. That and most of us mere mortal DH riders don't need the extra protection.

The 2.5 DHR is a team only spec as well just to keep the Minion SKUs from getting (even more) bloated.
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Primoz 6/21/2021 8:30am
6/21/2021 8:30am
Is the ZK puncture or tear protection? Could it be used with an EXO casing to make a better, light casing?
ARonBurgundy 6/21/2021 8:38am
6/21/2021 8:38am
Primoz wrote:
Is the ZK puncture or tear protection? Could it be used with an EXO casing to make a better, light casing?
My understanding is that it's used as a breaker layer underneath the tread to help prevent punctures. There are many potential applications for the material.
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MTBert 6/21/2021 9:06am
6/21/2021 9:06am
Pivot is running a countdown, icecream as orange as the proto we have seen with the condom around it ..

https://www.pivotcycles.com/en/ice-cream/
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pillete 6/21/2021 11:30am
6/21/2021 11:30am
New Cannondale Jeckyl being relased tomorrow.
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metadave 6/21/2021 12:17pm
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pillete wrote:
New Cannondale Jeckyl being relased tomorrow. [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/06/21/11003/s1200_7178A796_75F7_4617_8DFD_D1F4E095AF90.jpg[/img]
New Cannondale Jeckyl being relased tomorrow.
Finally.....
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hamncheez2003 6/21/2021 12:46pm
6/21/2021 12:46pm
WheelBased wrote:
Hey everyone, I've got a heater for you today. It looks like SRAM are officially working on an active suspension system to compete with Fox's Live...
Hey everyone, I've got a heater for you today. It looks like SRAM are officially working on an active suspension system to compete with Fox's Live Valve system. The cool thing about SRAM’s is that the controller, battery, and motor are all encased in a single component that attaches directly to the shock. It’s extremely compact and unobtrusive. In the end, this system attempts to do the same thing as any active system — make more grip by automatically adjusting fluid flow a zillion times per second. The best part: this is entirely wireless.

What do we think?

And if you enjoy these, please feel free to follow along on IG or Facebook. The links are in my signature.

https://wheelbased.com/2021/06/18/bicycle-suspension-components-and-electronic-control-devices-by-sram/
querynotfound wrote:
Thanks for reminding me that I took this picture back in 2019. Looks like this has been in the works for a while [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/06/18/10997/s1200_IMG_20190804_111239_Copy.jpg[/img]
Thanks for reminding me that I took this picture back in 2019. Looks like this has been in the works for a while



Thats it, I'm going to call in some favors with my electrical engineering friends. Here is my product goal:

1. Brand agnostic electric lockout (rear only for now)
2. ANT+ sensor (and bluetooth for setup with an app)
a. Sync it with a power meter or simple cadence sensor (I"m guessing theres a fair crossover to people who actually want a remote lockout and who also ride with a power meter)
b. When a user-defined threshold is reached, lockout the rear shock.
3. Orientation/accelerometer sensor
a. Allow the user to calibrate on level ground, then set how the lockout behaves when pointed uphill or downhill.

Thats it. With off the shelf RC car parts I bet a prototype could be built for like $100. Get the MSRP to be under $200, and its a simple remote lockout that only responds to your gradient and pedal input.
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C-LION 6/21/2021 1:32pm
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Soon.


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grambo 6/21/2021 2:19pm
6/21/2021 2:19pm
No spyshots of the WeAreOne bike? They have an athlete over at the EWS I believe.
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TheShortestCharles 6/21/2021 3:02pm
6/21/2021 3:02pm Edited Date/Time 6/21/2021 5:20pm
Yet another screengrab of the upcoming Range (or a long-travel/park variant) from Pinkbike's Innsbruck DH video
Is it running an AXS DH groupset?

Edit: never mind, in the Vital video from today you can see a cable, although I think it does have updated graphics
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mfoga 6/21/2021 5:01pm
6/21/2021 5:01pm
Would that be a shore not a range if that as DC fork? It looks like it could be DC.

Not sure if shore has idler, know it’s super boost though.
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TheShortestCharles 6/21/2021 5:12pm
6/21/2021 5:12pm
mfoga wrote:
Would that be a shore not a range if that as DC fork? It looks like it could be DC. Not sure if shore has idler...
Would that be a shore not a range if that as DC fork? It looks like it could be DC.

Not sure if shore has idler, know it’s super boost though.
I doubt they'd already refresh the Shore (which uses a different suspension platform than this) since they only just launched it last year, and we know the Range looks pretty much identical to this DH model. I think the Shore as it currently exists is more of a 27.5" freeride bike with a separate park model, while I'm guessing the Range will be more of a "super enduro" bike somewhere in the 160-170mm travel range, with 29" or possibly 29/27.5 wheels and a longer travel dual crown version (what we see here) also available. Not sure if the DH version would be for when the Aurum HSP is overkill, or if it's the replacement.
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lloyd506 6/21/2021 8:24pm
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Range out the 23rd
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luisgutrod 6/21/2021 10:21pm
6/21/2021 10:21pm
I'm holding my wallet until I see new range, new firebird.. although I most likely will get enough time to save until they become available..
Brookstar 6/21/2021 10:40pm
6/21/2021 10:40pm
grambo wrote:
No spyshots of the WeAreOne bike? They have an athlete over at the EWS I believe.
They do have someone and I'm 99% sure he is riding the new bike
hitar_potar 6/21/2021 11:33pm
6/21/2021 11:33pm Edited Date/Time 6/21/2021 11:40pm
The Shore has a vertical shock and an idler, but the high-pivot isn’t that high, and is 27.5 only. The Range is said to be a 29er (or they’ll make it a mullet) with a higher high-pivot and 170mm travel. But it gets too crowded in Norco’s freeride/park/dh line - the dc-capable Range, the dc-capable Shore, the full-dh Aurum… if i’m after such a bike, i’d be pretty confused which to choose. I know the amount of travel isn’t the Holy Grail, geo and sizing is also important, so in theory the new Range would be better than the Aurum for competitive dh - better geo, longer wheelbase (A LOT LONGER given some pics) for more high speed stability, only a small amount of less travel, better pedaller although again with a high-pivot. And all this begs the question - what’s the point of the Aurum still alive in its current iteration? Especially if some rumors for a longer-stroke shock or different suspension ratio become true and a dh-version of the Range has closer to 200mm of travel… yet, such a version could become a new Aurum that’s just using the new Range’s tubing and overall design in an effort to cut costs… Smile

Sorry for the long comment, just my 2c… Smile



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Primoz 6/22/2021 12:11am
6/22/2021 12:11am Edited Date/Time 6/22/2021 12:13am
WheelBased wrote:
Hey everyone, I've got a heater for you today. It looks like SRAM are officially working on an active suspension system to compete with Fox's Live...
Hey everyone, I've got a heater for you today. It looks like SRAM are officially working on an active suspension system to compete with Fox's Live Valve system. The cool thing about SRAM’s is that the controller, battery, and motor are all encased in a single component that attaches directly to the shock. It’s extremely compact and unobtrusive. In the end, this system attempts to do the same thing as any active system — make more grip by automatically adjusting fluid flow a zillion times per second. The best part: this is entirely wireless.

What do we think?

And if you enjoy these, please feel free to follow along on IG or Facebook. The links are in my signature.

https://wheelbased.com/2021/06/18/bicycle-suspension-components-and-electronic-control-devices-by-sram/
querynotfound wrote:
Thanks for reminding me that I took this picture back in 2019. Looks like this has been in the works for a while [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/06/18/10997/s1200_IMG_20190804_111239_Copy.jpg[/img]
Thanks for reminding me that I took this picture back in 2019. Looks like this has been in the works for a while



hamncheez2003 wrote:
Thats it, I'm going to call in some favors with my electrical engineering friends. Here is my product goal: 1. Brand agnostic electric lockout (rear only...
Thats it, I'm going to call in some favors with my electrical engineering friends. Here is my product goal:

1. Brand agnostic electric lockout (rear only for now)
2. ANT+ sensor (and bluetooth for setup with an app)
a. Sync it with a power meter or simple cadence sensor (I"m guessing theres a fair crossover to people who actually want a remote lockout and who also ride with a power meter)
b. When a user-defined threshold is reached, lockout the rear shock.
3. Orientation/accelerometer sensor
a. Allow the user to calibrate on level ground, then set how the lockout behaves when pointed uphill or downhill.

Thats it. With off the shelf RC car parts I bet a prototype could be built for like $100. Get the MSRP to be under $200, and its a simple remote lockout that only responds to your gradient and pedal input.
This is less electrical engineering (requires a custom PCB more or less), more general engineering and software engineering. The way I see it it would be a simple actuator pulling in a cable to actuate a remote lockout shock. That's the easy part, it doesn't require much force, a cheap dc motor with a worm drive (to provide self locking so you power the motor only when actually moving the cable) and a worm gear to wrap the cable around. It would be, counting the PCB as a single part and including a battery, like 7 or 8 parts (roughly, without thinking about sealing and charging).

The issue I see is that you would often want to lock the shock when it would be best for it to be open (technical climbs and traverses over roots and rocks, offcambers, etc.) and maybe vice versa as well. That's where software engineering somes into play, where an algorithm needs to be designed which would cover all different situations.
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