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brash wrote:
So we placing bets on what Frame Gwinner is riding? I want to see the yeti thing so bad, to see his career go full circle...

So we placing bets on what Frame Gwinner is riding?

I want to see the yeti thing so bad, to see his career go full circle. But I think it's a pipedream.

I'd love to see a small US manufacturer like frameworks, canfield.... hell even a Contra!

But I get that feeling it will be a Trek, specialized, Commencal thing. Safe money in that bet.

Who's betting their right nut on something weird!?

I'm going to walk on the wild side and go with Gwin Racing on GT frames this year. 

 

It's a good platform to race on, it's an American brand, and it'll be great for his bike park. 

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brash wrote:
So we placing bets on what Frame Gwinner is riding? I want to see the yeti thing so bad, to see his career go full circle...

So we placing bets on what Frame Gwinner is riding?

I want to see the yeti thing so bad, to see his career go full circle. But I think it's a pipedream.

I'd love to see a small US manufacturer like frameworks, canfield.... hell even a Contra!

But I get that feeling it will be a Trek, specialized, Commencal thing. Safe money in that bet.

Who's betting their right nut on something weird!?

I'll put my left nut on what's listed on the RB sponsor page.. Intense

As a fellow Tanner, I wish you all the best with this bet; however, the last time his RB athlete page was updated was September of 2023... 

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Isn’t Specialized already listed as rentals for Windrock?  Thought that it was posted in here.  

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Again, Gwin will be collecting a solid check for the frame brand he is riding. He's not going to be on Contra or some tiny brand that can't come up with up $75-100k+/yr for him to ride their frames. 

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Again, Gwin will be collecting a solid check for the frame brand he is riding. He's not going to be on Contra or some tiny brand...

Again, Gwin will be collecting a solid check for the frame brand he is riding. He's not going to be on Contra or some tiny brand that can't come up with up $75-100k+/yr for him to ride their frames. 

I'm no Gwin hater, but I don't think Gwin can pull that kind of salary from a frame sponsor alone when he's running his own team and not on a factory team.  Maybe collectively for his whole team, but not by himself. Historically his high payouts were the result of his performance (win) bonus structure.  Objectively speaking, the last time Gwin was on a WC podium was 2018. Don't get me wrong, I'm stoked he's still racing and even more stoked he's investing in bike parks, US racing, etc, but I'm not holding my breath that he's going to have the kind of winning season that resulted in his million dollar yearly payout. His name recognition does carry value, but that's only one part of the equation when it comes to sponsors opening their checkbooks. 

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Again, Gwin will be collecting a solid check for the frame brand he is riding. He's not going to be on Contra or some tiny brand...

Again, Gwin will be collecting a solid check for the frame brand he is riding. He's not going to be on Contra or some tiny brand that can't come up with up $75-100k+/yr for him to ride their frames. 

jonkranked wrote:
I'm no Gwin hater, but I don't think Gwin can pull that kind of salary from a frame sponsor alone when he's running his own team...

I'm no Gwin hater, but I don't think Gwin can pull that kind of salary from a frame sponsor alone when he's running his own team and not on a factory team.  Maybe collectively for his whole team, but not by himself. Historically his high payouts were the result of his performance (win) bonus structure.  Objectively speaking, the last time Gwin was on a WC podium was 2018. Don't get me wrong, I'm stoked he's still racing and even more stoked he's investing in bike parks, US racing, etc, but I'm not holding my breath that he's going to have the kind of winning season that resulted in his million dollar yearly payout. His name recognition does carry value, but that's only one part of the equation when it comes to sponsors opening their checkbooks. 

Well Gwin was on the podium (4th) in Val Di Sole in 2022....

Just saying

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2/6/2024 6:38pm
Again, Gwin will be collecting a solid check for the frame brand he is riding. He's not going to be on Contra or some tiny brand...

Again, Gwin will be collecting a solid check for the frame brand he is riding. He's not going to be on Contra or some tiny brand that can't come up with up $75-100k+/yr for him to ride their frames. 

jonkranked wrote:
I'm no Gwin hater, but I don't think Gwin can pull that kind of salary from a frame sponsor alone when he's running his own team...

I'm no Gwin hater, but I don't think Gwin can pull that kind of salary from a frame sponsor alone when he's running his own team and not on a factory team.  Maybe collectively for his whole team, but not by himself. Historically his high payouts were the result of his performance (win) bonus structure.  Objectively speaking, the last time Gwin was on a WC podium was 2018. Don't get me wrong, I'm stoked he's still racing and even more stoked he's investing in bike parks, US racing, etc, but I'm not holding my breath that he's going to have the kind of winning season that resulted in his million dollar yearly payout. His name recognition does carry value, but that's only one part of the equation when it comes to sponsors opening their checkbooks. 

Probably not a salary. But 75 - 100k to cover a part of expenses seems more than plausible

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Again, Gwin will be collecting a solid check for the frame brand he is riding. He's not going to be on Contra or some tiny brand...

Again, Gwin will be collecting a solid check for the frame brand he is riding. He's not going to be on Contra or some tiny brand that can't come up with up $75-100k+/yr for him to ride their frames. 

jonkranked wrote:
I'm no Gwin hater, but I don't think Gwin can pull that kind of salary from a frame sponsor alone when he's running his own team...

I'm no Gwin hater, but I don't think Gwin can pull that kind of salary from a frame sponsor alone when he's running his own team and not on a factory team.  Maybe collectively for his whole team, but not by himself. Historically his high payouts were the result of his performance (win) bonus structure.  Objectively speaking, the last time Gwin was on a WC podium was 2018. Don't get me wrong, I'm stoked he's still racing and even more stoked he's investing in bike parks, US racing, etc, but I'm not holding my breath that he's going to have the kind of winning season that resulted in his million dollar yearly payout. His name recognition does carry value, but that's only one part of the equation when it comes to sponsors opening their checkbooks. 

Well Gwin was on the podium (4th) in Val Di Sole in 2022....

Just saying

yes but he didn't get the podium icon on roots and rain Silly

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Again, Gwin will be collecting a solid check for the frame brand he is riding. He's not going to be on Contra or some tiny brand...

Again, Gwin will be collecting a solid check for the frame brand he is riding. He's not going to be on Contra or some tiny brand that can't come up with up $75-100k+/yr for him to ride their frames. 

jonkranked wrote:
I'm no Gwin hater, but I don't think Gwin can pull that kind of salary from a frame sponsor alone when he's running his own team...

I'm no Gwin hater, but I don't think Gwin can pull that kind of salary from a frame sponsor alone when he's running his own team and not on a factory team.  Maybe collectively for his whole team, but not by himself. Historically his high payouts were the result of his performance (win) bonus structure.  Objectively speaking, the last time Gwin was on a WC podium was 2018. Don't get me wrong, I'm stoked he's still racing and even more stoked he's investing in bike parks, US racing, etc, but I'm not holding my breath that he's going to have the kind of winning season that resulted in his million dollar yearly payout. His name recognition does carry value, but that's only one part of the equation when it comes to sponsors opening their checkbooks. 

Well Gwin was on the podium (4th) in Val Di Sole in 2022....

Just saying

didn't he have 2 podiums that year if I remember correctly?

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jonkranked wrote:
I'm no Gwin hater, but I don't think Gwin can pull that kind of salary from a frame sponsor alone when he's running his own team...

I'm no Gwin hater, but I don't think Gwin can pull that kind of salary from a frame sponsor alone when he's running his own team and not on a factory team.  Maybe collectively for his whole team, but not by himself. Historically his high payouts were the result of his performance (win) bonus structure.  Objectively speaking, the last time Gwin was on a WC podium was 2018. Don't get me wrong, I'm stoked he's still racing and even more stoked he's investing in bike parks, US racing, etc, but I'm not holding my breath that he's going to have the kind of winning season that resulted in his million dollar yearly payout. His name recognition does carry value, but that's only one part of the equation when it comes to sponsors opening their checkbooks. 

Well Gwin was on the podium (4th) in Val Di Sole in 2022....

Just saying

astrizzle wrote:

didn't he have 2 podiums that year if I remember correctly?

Three 4th places. Maybe podium wasn't the correct term for what I meant, which was medal position. 

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Again, Gwin will be collecting a solid check for the frame brand he is riding. He's not going to be on Contra or some tiny brand...

Again, Gwin will be collecting a solid check for the frame brand he is riding. He's not going to be on Contra or some tiny brand that can't come up with up $75-100k+/yr for him to ride their frames. 

jonkranked wrote:
I'm no Gwin hater, but I don't think Gwin can pull that kind of salary from a frame sponsor alone when he's running his own team...

I'm no Gwin hater, but I don't think Gwin can pull that kind of salary from a frame sponsor alone when he's running his own team and not on a factory team.  Maybe collectively for his whole team, but not by himself. Historically his high payouts were the result of his performance (win) bonus structure.  Objectively speaking, the last time Gwin was on a WC podium was 2018. Don't get me wrong, I'm stoked he's still racing and even more stoked he's investing in bike parks, US racing, etc, but I'm not holding my breath that he's going to have the kind of winning season that resulted in his million dollar yearly payout. His name recognition does carry value, but that's only one part of the equation when it comes to sponsors opening their checkbooks. 

He might get more as a non factory team. They can just throw money and product his way - they don’t have to pay the team manager’s salary, the videographer, the travel expenses, the mechanic, etc. It’s far cheaper to be non-title sponsor. 

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brash wrote:
So we placing bets on what Frame Gwinner is riding? I want to see the yeti thing so bad, to see his career go full circle...

So we placing bets on what Frame Gwinner is riding?

I want to see the yeti thing so bad, to see his career go full circle. But I think it's a pipedream.

I'd love to see a small US manufacturer like frameworks, canfield.... hell even a Contra!

But I get that feeling it will be a Trek, specialized, Commencal thing. Safe money in that bet.

Who's betting their right nut on something weird!?

Verbl Kint wrote:
I'm going to walk on the wild side and go with Gwin Racing on GT frames this year.    It's a good platform to race on...

I'm going to walk on the wild side and go with Gwin Racing on GT frames this year. 

 

It's a good platform to race on, it's an American brand, and it'll be great for his bike park. 

Was Just thinking this today.. no idea on feasibility. But would love to see it!

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Again, Gwin will be collecting a solid check for the frame brand he is riding. He's not going to be on Contra or some tiny brand...

Again, Gwin will be collecting a solid check for the frame brand he is riding. He's not going to be on Contra or some tiny brand that can't come up with up $75-100k+/yr for him to ride their frames. 

jonkranked wrote:
I'm no Gwin hater, but I don't think Gwin can pull that kind of salary from a frame sponsor alone when he's running his own team...

I'm no Gwin hater, but I don't think Gwin can pull that kind of salary from a frame sponsor alone when he's running his own team and not on a factory team.  Maybe collectively for his whole team, but not by himself. Historically his high payouts were the result of his performance (win) bonus structure.  Objectively speaking, the last time Gwin was on a WC podium was 2018. Don't get me wrong, I'm stoked he's still racing and even more stoked he's investing in bike parks, US racing, etc, but I'm not holding my breath that he's going to have the kind of winning season that resulted in his million dollar yearly payout. His name recognition does carry value, but that's only one part of the equation when it comes to sponsors opening their checkbooks. 

That's simply not true.

Gwin was on the podium 3 times in 2022, in Val di Sole, MSA and Andorra. He actually finished 6 of 8 worldcup races in the Top 20. Say what you will, but those are better results than what most racers will achieve in their entire career. Gwin certainly has the results to back up his reputation.

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That's simply not true. Gwin was on the podium 3 times in 2022, in Val di Sole, MSA and Andorra. He actually finished 6 of 8...

That's simply not true.

Gwin was on the podium 3 times in 2022, in Val di Sole, MSA and Andorra. He actually finished 6 of 8 worldcup races in the Top 20. Say what you will, but those are better results than what most racers will achieve in their entire career. Gwin certainly has the results to back up his reputation.

a solid season no doubt, but 3 of the last 5 years he's missed roughly half or more of the races in a season due to injury.  granted that can happen to anyone in this sport, but with sponsors tightening their budgets, they won't ignore that. 

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pheller wrote:

You think Yeti frames are expensive now, could you imagine if they were actually Made In USA? 

It would definitely distinguish them from other primo brands. 

then the waltons can buy them too and move the company to bentonville!

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jonkranked wrote:
a solid season no doubt, but 3 of the last 5 years he's missed roughly half or more of the races in a season due to...

a solid season no doubt, but 3 of the last 5 years he's missed roughly half or more of the races in a season due to injury.  granted that can happen to anyone in this sport, but with sponsors tightening their budgets, they won't ignore that. 

Your reasoning is... okay I guess. But don't forget no racer screams "Murica" for the mainstream mtber more than AG, I think THAT is pretty appealing for US brands... Or brands that want bigger recognition in the USA.

So Trek, (Specialized), GT, Yeti or Commençal, all of them should work 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Intense would seem like the easy answer.  But why would you and the brand go radio silent for 2 straight months while you're rolling the frame out of production.  You'd want it known Gwin is sticking with his design from day 0.

So let's eliminate Intense.

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Your reasoning is... okay I guess. But don't forget no racer screams "Murica" for the mainstream mtber more than AG, I think THAT is pretty appealing...

Your reasoning is... okay I guess. But don't forget no racer screams "Murica" for the mainstream mtber more than AG, I think THAT is pretty appealing for US brands... Or brands that want bigger recognition in the USA.

So Trek, (Specialized), GT, Yeti or Commençal, all of them should work 🤷🏻‍♂️

oh for sure, don't get me wrong, he's by and far the best thing that's happened to american mountain bike racing (not just downhill) in probably 2 decades.  and with the moves he's been making lately (windrock, etc) he's clearly investing in the future of the sport which is awesome and there needs to be more of that.  but its now been almost 7 years since he's had the kind of dominant season that established him as one of the best racers ever. he's by no means washed up, but he's not gonna be able to pull the kind of base salary he was able to when he was outside the top 5 once a season. especially not with the kind of retraction that's currently going on in the bike industry. 

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With Trek having a smaller WC team this year they might be interested in having the American swing a leg over their bikes and go do some racing. They got the cash and Gwin has good history with Trek. 

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With Trek having a smaller WC team this year they might be interested in having the American swing a leg over their bikes and go do...

With Trek having a smaller WC team this year they might be interested in having the American swing a leg over their bikes and go do some racing. They got the cash and Gwin has good history with Trek. 

yeah, but i doubt he would be riding sram stuff, especially RS suspension.

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With Trek having a smaller WC team this year they might be interested in having the American swing a leg over their bikes and go do...

With Trek having a smaller WC team this year they might be interested in having the American swing a leg over their bikes and go do some racing. They got the cash and Gwin has good history with Trek. 

good history with trek? have we forgotten the debacle of how he left? remember the letter of intent?

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hogfly wrote:
Thomas Genon (Tommy G) on GT. Rachel Strait is off GT. I believe her and Kyle are going to be on same bikes as a couple...

Thomas Genon (Tommy G) on GT.

Rachel Strait is off GT. I believe her and Kyle are going to be on same bikes as a couple (Fezzari... maybe?).

 

I would imagine Kyle would FOCUS on a brand with a DH bike but maybe that's not a requirement? 

🤔

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2/7/2024 9:14am

Getting in on the AG frame conversation 

Logically it makes in my mind to stay on Intense. He’s developed the bike and Seth is familiar, helps Seth continue to grow and develop. Sticking to a platform they were so close to winning on. 
 

long shot like a million to 1 odds 

Devinci or Marin frames 

🤷🏼‍♂️

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I know this is a "secret" trail but any hints as to where this is? Feels like it's on the way up to big bear but...

I know this is a "secret" trail but any hints as to where this is? Feels like it's on the way up to big bear but could be off

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Trinidad, Colorado

bizutch wrote:

Let the record show no one can ever tell @chriskief anything again.  

Just a straight up unreliable narc of a human.

 

Is Danerbomb "Just a straight up unreliable narc of a human." too?

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Trinidad, Colorado

bizutch wrote:

Let the record show no one can ever tell @chriskief anything again.  

Just a straight up unreliable narc of a human.

 

dolface wrote:
Is Danerbomb "Just a straight up unreliable narc of a human." too?

Is Danerbomb "Just a straight up unreliable narc of a human." too?

Screenshot 2024-02-07 at 09.18.13

Never heard of the place Evil

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Never mind the fucking bike company named Crestline, who, in their own words are, "inspired by the terrain that surrounded the founders homes in Southern California, and even naming the company after Crestline CA - a renown local DH shuttle zone"

Big, big secret. Wait'll you hear about this wave outside of Half Moon Bay. 

 

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Ahab wrote:
Never mind the fucking bike company named Crestline, who, in their own words are, "inspired by the terrain that surrounded the founders homes in Southern California...

Never mind the fucking bike company named Crestline, who, in their own words are, "inspired by the terrain that surrounded the founders homes in Southern California, and even naming the company after Crestline CA - a renown local DH shuttle zone"

Big, big secret. Wait'll you hear about this wave outside of Half Moon Bay. 

 

Laughing As someone who can see the iconic radar dome from my house, you have no idea how accurate this is. "Locals only, man!"

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jonkranked wrote:
a solid season no doubt, but 3 of the last 5 years he's missed roughly half or more of the races in a season due to...

a solid season no doubt, but 3 of the last 5 years he's missed roughly half or more of the races in a season due to injury.  granted that can happen to anyone in this sport, but with sponsors tightening their budgets, they won't ignore that. 

Same can be said for Amaury Pierron and no one seems to question his value. When Gwin is healthy and has confidence in his setup, he is still seriously fast. You will probably never see the YOLO laps from him, but he knows how to get a bike down a hill rapidly.

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