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6/7/2018 12:15 PM

cannondale from 1997 as first "production" DH bike. pros (like missy in the photo) racing on dual crowns in 1996?

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6/7/2018 12:21 PM

Gwin’s gnarly right hand... screen cap from another site’s track walk vid.

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6/7/2018 12:43 PM

Dylan wrote:

The new v10 in 27.5 mode. It'll be Interesting to see if Santa Cruz goes down the route of dual wheel size compatibility or releases two different framesets.



*Can't say with 100% accuracy that it's 27.5 but based on the fact that it's in the short chainstay position and has Fox 40's and not Fox 49 it's a safe assumption to say its 27.5

peecee wrote:

WOW that is a thing of beauty I thought I liked the grey one but this monochrome version is so epic!

Where did you find the pic (who's instagram) ?

@kiran.mackinnon He works for SC and races for them on the Pro GRT circuit and occasional WC.

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6/8/2018 6:17 PM
Edited Date/Time: 6/8/2018 6:20 PM

phillemaistre wrote:

Gwin’s gnarly right hand... screen cap from another site’s track walk vid.

Sadly, Gwins hand is leaving his race run this weekend semi up in the air

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6/10/2018 12:13 AM

Will Loris be rocking the #1 plate on raceday? Im assuming he earned enough points in qualifying to surpass Gwin.

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6/10/2018 9:49 AM

Amaury Pierron passes Gwin in the overall

So pumped for my home state of Michigan’s own Dak Norton. Cannot believe the level he is riding this year. He needs to be on the podcast so we can find out how he got so good so quick

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6/14/2018 1:35 AM

Canyon team doing some testing over at Leogang




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6/14/2018 4:19 AM

29“ Sender?

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6/14/2018 6:13 AM

Probably, although the Boxxer is a 650b model it does have a big spacer under the headtube.
Rear dropouts also seem to be adjustable.

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6/14/2018 7:43 AM





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6/14/2018 8:36 AM

Hyperpower! wrote:

Probably, although the Boxxer is a 650b model it does have a big spacer under the headtube.
Rear dropouts also seem to be adjustable.

where do you see that it‘s a 650B boxxer? the new boxxer is available in 29 as well. on a some pictures it looks like a 29er sender, but on the one on the washingstand i‘m not so sure anymore.

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6/14/2018 8:55 AM

Hyperpower! wrote:

Probably, although the Boxxer is a 650b model it does have a big spacer under the headtube.
Rear dropouts also seem to be adjustable.

krabo83 wrote:

where do you see that it‘s a 650B boxxer? the new boxxer is available in 29 as well. on a some pictures it looks like a 29er sender, but on the one on the washingstand i‘m not so sure anymore.

Yeah, like Aksel said, offset on the 650b is pretty differentiable to the 29er. And the one on the pics is a 650b Boxxer for sure.
On the other hand, the pic of the Sender with Fox suspension it does look like a 29" wheel, but I don´t really know about that one.

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6/14/2018 9:07 AM

Hyperpower! wrote:

Probably, although the Boxxer is a 650b model it does have a big spacer under the headtube.
Rear dropouts also seem to be adjustable.

krabo83 wrote:

where do you see that it‘s a 650B boxxer? the new boxxer is available in 29 as well. on a some pictures it looks like a 29er sender, but on the one on the washingstand i‘m not so sure anymore.

Hyperpower! wrote:

Yeah, like Aksel said, offset on the 650b is pretty differentiable to the 29er. And the one on the pics is a 650b Boxxer for sure.
On the other hand, the pic of the Sender with Fox suspension it does look like a 29" wheel, but I don´t really know about that one.

It's entirely possible they are testing a shorter offset (regarding the RockShox setup), but yeah, it does look like a 650 when stacked against the Fox setup – it would be surprising if that one wasn't 29.

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Sunshine & Slippery Trail

6/14/2018 9:12 AM

krabo83 wrote:

where do you see that it‘s a 650B boxxer? the new boxxer is available in 29 as well. on a some pictures it looks like a 29er sender, but on the one on the washingstand i‘m not so sure anymore.

Hyperpower! wrote:

Yeah, like Aksel said, offset on the 650b is pretty differentiable to the 29er. And the one on the pics is a 650b Boxxer for sure.
On the other hand, the pic of the Sender with Fox suspension it does look like a 29" wheel, but I don´t really know about that one.

ardor wrote:

It's entirely possible they are testing a shorter offset (regarding the RockShox setup), but yeah, it does look like a 650 when stacked against the Fox setup – it would be surprising if that one wasn't 29.

Possible, but unlikely IMO, seeing they were recently released (the RS Boxxer) and given the spacer under the headtube.

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6/14/2018 9:31 AM

peecee wrote:

Canyon team doing some testing over at Leogang




1st pic may it be 29" in front & 27.5" rear?

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6/14/2018 9:33 AM

peecee wrote:

Canyon team doing some testing over at Leogang




ary-h-frman wrote:

1st pic may it be 29" in front & 27.5" rear?

Hard to say from these pics but it does look like that, aye.

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Sunshine & Slippery Trail

6/14/2018 10:01 AM

krabo83 wrote:

where do you see that it‘s a 650B boxxer? the new boxxer is available in 29 as well. on a some pictures it looks like a 29er sender, but on the one on the washingstand i‘m not so sure anymore.

Hyperpower! wrote:

Yeah, like Aksel said, offset on the 650b is pretty differentiable to the 29er. And the one on the pics is a 650b Boxxer for sure.
On the other hand, the pic of the Sender with Fox suspension it does look like a 29" wheel, but I don´t really know about that one.

ardor wrote:

It's entirely possible they are testing a shorter offset (regarding the RockShox setup), but yeah, it does look like a 650 when stacked against the Fox setup – it would be surprising if that one wasn't 29.

yep they were testing also 29ers....Troy and other guys from canyon (maybe 5 guys) were running two bikes during all day (27,5 and 29) .....funny was, that they were using fox 29 forks with ordinary "fox40" decals, but compare to other bikes (27,5) that was "fox 49" fork for sure.

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6/14/2018 10:12 AM

Hyperpower! wrote:

Probably, although the Boxxer is a 650b model it does have a big spacer under the headtube.
Rear dropouts also seem to be adjustable.

Honestly with the disgusting amount of offset on the 29 boxxer I'd try the same thing. Those few millimeters make a big handling difference imo

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yak

6/14/2018 10:35 AM

No one used the perspective and known measurement of the stanction diameter to better hypothesize the diameter of the wheel? I'm disappointed in the internet today.

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6/14/2018 10:45 AM

unskilled wrote:

No one used the perspective and known measurement of the stanction diameter to better hypothesize the diameter of the wheel? I'm disappointed in the internet today.

We thought you were going to figure it out for us :-)

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6/14/2018 11:13 AM

The spacer under the headtube possibly indicates a convertible frame that can be ridden in 27,5“ and 29“, similar as the Rockymountain DH bike. The raw spacer could well be 3/4“.

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6/14/2018 11:30 AM
Edited Date/Time: 6/14/2018 11:39 AM

unskilled wrote:

No one used the perspective and known measurement of the stanction diameter to better hypothesize the diameter of the wheel? I'm disappointed in the internet today.

UCI rules state both wheels have to be the same size, and wide-angle camera lenses distort size/distance especially up close and at the corners of the frame (this is how some action shots can make a bike look like it is running a 20/40" combo, or one hand is twice the size of the other if the photographer's not careful). It may not look like it, but measure them on the screen and the back wheel is probably going to end up being the bigger of the two.

Not the most exciting explanation, but what you're seeing is just camera lens distortion

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6/14/2018 12:14 PM

Mo(n)arch wrote:

The spacer under the headtube possibly indicates a convertible frame that can be ridden in 27,5“ and 29“, similar as the Rockymountain DH bike. The raw spacer could well be 3/4“.

that would be great, like the new kona operate carbon. 29 or 27,5 with just one frame.

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6/14/2018 1:48 PM
Edited Date/Time: 6/14/2018 1:51 PM

bramlett321 wrote:

I'm a totally noob to the mtb world, coming from the moto scene and falling totally in love with pedals....I love the relation in technology from mtb to moto. Don't scold me too bad for this question but how long have the full on triple clamps been used on the mountain bikes? What I mean is the forks go all the way to the top of the clamps like a dirt bike? I've never seen that before.

Big Bird wrote:

I think that it was about '96-7 when Rock Shox came out with the 4 inch travel DHO with double triples. I think it was the first 20mm through axle too.Still have mine.

bramlett321 wrote:

Wow I have been under a damn rock!!! I need a wholesale parts site where are you guys doing all your online purchases at ??

The Judy dho was released in 96 and I seem to remember that being 9mm quick release. I think whyte and hannebrink and a couple other small companies had triple clamps and thru axles out before that. Not very good forks for dependability and they needed constant cleaning and lining to keep them working well. I first saw the 6” Boxer with 20mm thru axle at the ‘96 mt st. Anne World Cup. An early WC that year so June 15. I quickly realized my specialized fsr with 4” Judy and msr coil springs and the just released v brakes wasn’t quite up to snuff. The boxxer was pre released to several top pros(lopes on an intense m1, mike king on the pre released gt lobo w boxxer, Michael ronning on a super slacked out fisher custom bike that might not even be slack by modern standards and despite it being a ust bike seemed incredibly plush, and a few others). Most had triples and disc brakes or atleast the competitive ones. Even recent top dogs that didn’t have them were suddenly nowhere. Kawasaki even had a bike with an adjustable kx80 fork. I heard it was 6-8 inches but they were riding it at 6 because they thought 8 was too much(crazy talk). Tattoo Lou was their rider


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6/14/2018 3:57 PM
Edited Date/Time: 6/14/2018 3:58 PM

peecee wrote:

Canyon team doing some testing over at Leogang




C'mon, we're due a new Strive before a new Sender!

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6/14/2018 7:07 PM

Big Bird wrote:

I think that it was about '96-7 when Rock Shox came out with the 4 inch travel DHO with double triples. I think it was the first 20mm through axle too.Still have mine.

bramlett321 wrote:

Wow I have been under a damn rock!!! I need a wholesale parts site where are you guys doing all your online purchases at ??

grinch wrote:

The Judy dho was released in 96 and I seem to remember that being 9mm quick release. I think whyte and hannebrink and a couple other small companies had triple clamps and thru axles out before that. Not very good forks for dependability and they needed constant cleaning and lining to keep them working well. I first saw the 6” Boxer with 20mm thru axle at the ‘96 mt st. Anne World Cup. An early WC that year so June 15. I quickly realized my specialized fsr with 4” Judy and msr coil springs and the just released v brakes wasn’t quite up to snuff. The boxxer was pre released to several top pros(lopes on an intense m1, mike king on the pre released gt lobo w boxxer, Michael ronning on a super slacked out fisher custom bike that might not even be slack by modern standards and despite it being a ust bike seemed incredibly plush, and a few others). Most had triples and disc brakes or atleast the competitive ones. Even recent top dogs that didn’t have them were suddenly nowhere. Kawasaki even had a bike with an adjustable kx80 fork. I heard it was 6-8 inches but they were riding it at 6 because they thought 8 was too much(crazy talk). Tattoo Lou was their rider


Now that's a piece of history! I was at that race as well. Thanks for the memories.

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6/14/2018 8:17 PM

bramlett321 wrote:

Wow I have been under a damn rock!!! I need a wholesale parts site where are you guys doing all your online purchases at ??

grinch wrote:

The Judy dho was released in 96 and I seem to remember that being 9mm quick release. I think whyte and hannebrink and a couple other small companies had triple clamps and thru axles out before that. Not very good forks for dependability and they needed constant cleaning and lining to keep them working well. I first saw the 6” Boxer with 20mm thru axle at the ‘96 mt st. Anne World Cup. An early WC that year so June 15. I quickly realized my specialized fsr with 4” Judy and msr coil springs and the just released v brakes wasn’t quite up to snuff. The boxxer was pre released to several top pros(lopes on an intense m1, mike king on the pre released gt lobo w boxxer, Michael ronning on a super slacked out fisher custom bike that might not even be slack by modern standards and despite it being a ust bike seemed incredibly plush, and a few others). Most had triples and disc brakes or atleast the competitive ones. Even recent top dogs that didn’t have them were suddenly nowhere. Kawasaki even had a bike with an adjustable kx80 fork. I heard it was 6-8 inches but they were riding it at 6 because they thought 8 was too much(crazy talk). Tattoo Lou was their rider


jimmypop wrote:

Now that's a piece of history! I was at that race as well. Thanks for the memories.

The sport was healthy then. It was F1 level almost more than today. You had to have custom stuff then, sport was advancing so fast .That was the first of 6 pages(pre qualification days). 188 starters. Was digging thru my paperwork last week to redo my work resume and just happened to find that and it being the very first boxxer(good dh fork) sighting. The next year you could buy a Santa Cruz super 8 complete bike for a decent price w boxxer

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6/14/2018 11:35 PM

Hyperpower! wrote:

Probably, although the Boxxer is a 650b model it does have a big spacer under the headtube.
Rear dropouts also seem to be adjustable.

switchable between tweeener an niner???

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Callous Hands an Bloody Shins since 1979

6/15/2018 1:21 AM
Edited Date/Time: 6/15/2018 1:24 AM

peecee wrote:

Canyon team doing some testing over at Leogang




ary-h-frman wrote:

1st pic may it be 29" in front & 27.5" rear?

I think this nonsense for races because UCI regulation says the wheel size must be the same (front and rear)...also this nonsense...(sorry for my english)

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6/15/2018 4:45 AM
Edited Date/Time: 6/15/2018 4:47 AM

The rear wheel is on a different axle setting between pics. Like said before, its likely 27.5/29 options on same frame (and I reckon they could only get their hands on a fox 49 to run it in 29 setting...)

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