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Personally I can see both sides of this. I think flip chips and other sorts of an adjustment are great in that they add further options in terms of democratizing bikes.
They can in theory allow two different people seeking different things to ride the same bike, or for a bike to be used for multiple disciplines (trail vs bike park or that kind of thing). Adjusting the reach or wheel size could also allow people of different dimensions to both feel comfortable on the same bike.
All of this said, I feel like the flip chips and other adjustments are frequently like plus or minus a quarter a degree (semi hyperbole) at which point, I say why bother? I doubt an adjustment that minute is going to be that detectable to many and even if it is, as stated earlier, most will be pretty quick to adjust to the edit one way or the other.
Some sort of UDH +15mm chainstay standard would fix a lot of XXL bikes.
New cable XT and Deore drivetrains for Shimano on the new Orbea Oiz. Looks like they use the new clutch style like on the new DI2 derailleurs...
Man I’m shocked at the discussion this thing is generating. This bike looks GREAT
New Orbea Oiz just dropped - https://www.orbea.com/en-us/m/oiz
Highlights:
I feel like I can hear the derailleur just by looking at it 🙊
Hot take: Every bike should come equipped with a non-contacting chain retention device and the derailleur should simply shift gears and take up tension. I'm excited to see how the dual spring clutch pans out as I run a guide on all of my bikes and would rather not have a creaky, friction laded device that is already redundant for my use cases.
After running exclusively SS and a Pinion gearbox belt driven bike for a year, switching back to M8100 has been tolerable but noisy experience.
There is something to be said for our ability to suck up the high tension drag caused by idlers on high pivot designs but bemoan the low tension drag on chain guides. Been thinking of revisiting a guide just to see how the new leaving angle of the chain from guide to the derailleur affects cage movement during suspension cycling.
I'm pretty sure @jessemelamed was running a lower chain guide on his race bike last year, IIRC. The chain was taken off the guide for climbing and back on for descending. I could also be very mistaken...
Hey, is that some insider info?
Since I don't find it a really good idea to expose the AXS battery to water from a bottle dripping on it, especially if it’s sugar/electrolytes?
Not to mention water from rainy rides or water from washing the bike that will go inside the frame.
Also, wasn't the whole idea of the shock being inside to keep it clean?
I've never had an issue with getting the AXS batteries wet having used them since the original Eagle AXS came out. That includes spraying with a hose, and riding in truly awful conditions.
It’s not. I don’t wanna ever have to have a relationship anyone in the warranty department. I just like my things to work well for years.
I haven’t seen it here before, Ari hiding a vertical shock on a trail bike, maybe Delano.
I doubt that would be enough to silence a chain. Currently am riding an xo TType with one upper and one lower stfu chain damper and it is frustratingly loud. Is it just me or does the Ttype clutch kind of suck?
My question is, do you need to add links if you put on a roller chain guide like an Mxg with TType?
Why is it worth hiding a knucklebox
Better question is why is it worth hiding anything
They think someone will steal the design before the patent is issued. Based on the looks of the similar dh prototype, it seems to be rather close to a mondraker style suspension platform.
It's not similar to a Mondraker at all. Mondraker uses a short-dual-link design with the shock compressed between both links. Ari's new design is a Horst-link platform with a rocker link that compresses the shock from one end only.
It’s a vertical shock alignment similar to the old Diamondback Knucklebox design (mentioned above) or a Propain.
Nothing to patent. It’s just a Utah County based company thinking it needs overdo marketing as they’re prone to do. Utah is the land of perceived aesthetics.
Definitely looks like a fox serial number
You mean the OG Commencal Meta link?
Those were such fun bikes for their time, so good.
Honestly, the Torrent has a better race geo than the Quake, it's got pretty long stays for a freeride /play bike. Honestly, if I was in the marked for another DH bike the torrent would be pretty high on my list as a bike I would race.
Limitations for disclosed prior art are based on the effective patent application date, so that isn't the reason. Or at least it isn't a good reason.
Edit: a typo
I tend to fine myself on the other end flip chip theory. I tend to be more anti flip chip as it always tends to make thing more complicated and doesn't really add to the ride feel of the bike. There's also something to be said with a bike manufacture creating a bike with one specific geo and running it like that.
Although, I am currently on a Forbidden Dreadnought V2 with drop out adjustments. I think this is one of useful adjustments as it makes a noticeable change without complications or compromises. Along with that I think that the two rocker links that Raaw does is also very useful. Though other than that I feel like flip chips are sort of compromised in many ways and tend to add complications. Even worse is the flip chips that claim you can change the rear wheel size with. These are almost always compromised in one setup. Just make a bike with a specific wheel size and roll with it, the end. Mixed for 150mm+ and full 29 for -150mm other than a couple special cases. I do realize making that blanket statement is easier when I am of average height but for the majority of people I tend to think this is fine.
Didn’t they drop these a while ago? Or did they already do an update?
No, cable operated stuff was released like 5 years ago.
I don’t really have any experience with how well the wheel size flip chips have worked. Are there any bikes that have done it well?
Sure, there are bikes that it is well implemented on and the geometry is preserved between the two settings - The current Ibis Ripley/Ripmo and G3 Kona Process 134/153 and Process X are all bikes that do it well.
Off the top of my head not really. My example of a more compromised setup would be the Pivot Firebird. Incredible bike I would love to swing a leg over. But it does seem compromised in the mixed setup because of the STA and reach. Seems like everyone just runs it full 29.
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