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So does reserve, just not ones that are available aftermarket.
Neko / Frameworks video about the 32"
I liken it to Campy:Fulcrum. Campy wants to get more people on their wheels but not many would accept running Shimano/Sram drive with Campy wheels. Enter Fulcrum. The same quality, a diff name, all the freehub options, none of the fashion policing. If Pon wants to get more market share, breaking Reserve wheels out from under the SC banner of products makes a lot of sense. Makes it a lot easier for product mgrs to have a one stop shop when speccing bikes and a cohesive build package.
This already happened... the original rims were branded Santa Cruz. They then switched to Reserve branding.
Yep, but I'll wager it's still one of those 'too close' relationships. OneUp started out outside of Pon, Reserve didn't. That little distance may matter to some PMs, but having a uniform cockpit & wheel offering will also bring a bit of pull. Bar tape matching the saddle if you will.
I find bracketing useful - to understand what an adjuster/variable does on a fork or a shock. They don‘t always do what it says on the knob. Or do what they say, but at the same time also influence something else. To get a feeling, bracketing is immensely useful.
Coarse bracketing can work even for beginners. Open the rebound all the way, do a short section. Close it all the way. Repeat the section. Most should get some idea of rebound. And there is endless possibility to go from there.
As far as the musician analogy goes, I‘d imagine a great violin player playing a cheap, basic violin or an expensive, sophisticated one. The cheap violin will sound bad, if it is out of tune. The expensive one will sound bad, if it is out of tune. If the player is an expert, he might re-tune either one quickly and play great or not tune and adjust technique to compensate the bad state if tune.
If you learn, as a beginner, on an improperly tuned instrument, you‘ll either develop great skill and compensate or form some bad habits, which are hard to overcame later, when it‘s necessary.
Proper suspension setup will give ANY rider a much better experience, if it is at least 80% optimal. And that is rather easy to get right, if you follow setup guides and then do some basic(!) bracketing. Two hours of invested time reap big benefits in most cases imho.
And I don‘t see big learning advantages to be reaped in continuously riding a mis-setupped bike. When bracketing you‘ll spend at least half the time in a somewhat wrong setup.
Mountainbiking is quite tech-dependent. I absolutely can relate to where your coming from. When I dabble in surfing or similar less technologically advanced sports (yet complex skillsets are needed) I find that very refreshing.
My point is, try bracketing if you own a full-suspension bike. Setup is not optional. There is preference, compensation through skill and a window for what works, but there is a lot of unused potential or even risk in an improperly set up bike.
I found Specialized autosag feature quite helpful for customers, back when I sold bikes. As are Rock Shox lasered sag gradients for rear shocks.
And it is the only aspect of all this electronic clutter on modern mtbs I find some value in - there might be possibilities to limit the gravest setup mistakes for riders who invest zero time in setup.
Shockwiz sucked (for me), I couldn‘t get good results with it. But the idea is appealing.
Forgot:
Imagine if electronic suspension blinked a red light or sent a message to your phone when it is being ridden way off (in sag for example), maybe some riders could be swayed to at least set sag right. (rebound etc could be automatically) adjusted.
Am I too late to complain about chainstays (why would you want long ones on a short travel bike?)
My apologies, I spent time with my family over rhe holiday weekend instead of being chronically online
On what wheel option? Not seeing anything for the MTB series. Seems to all be DT.
It's on OEM stuff, primarily gravel. Don't know who makes them but they seem OK.
Nope, still all DT options. Can you link me to what you're looking at? I'm curious as I'm a dealer and I've never heard of an OEM hub and kind of want to know about what it is prior to one potentially showing up on my doorstep ahahaha.
Sorry for the sidequest gang
100% agree with (some of) that musician/instrument analogy. At this point, for me, tuning is so quick and natural that it happens almost mindlessly. For the first little bit of learning guitar, though, I wasn't pushing my fingers down in a way that would even allow the guitar to be in tune or ring notes out clearly. So, I got as close to tuned as I could and then I learned how to play well enough and how to push down consistently enough that even had a chance at being in tune. I could hear it was out but no amount of tuning the strings would let it be in tune until I became good enough that my technique could allow me to be in tune.
Suspension setting bracketing is definitely useful and I have done it a few times to get where I'm at currently. I'm just not sure that my ability to detect subtleties is refined enough when paired with to my inability to ride a trail segment with consistent speed, technique, and line to determine which setting is better. I've done what amounts to coarse bracketing to get me where I am. I couldn't find myself in a better spot than where I was because of repeatability/consistency in the ride. I didn't feel like I was choosing between settings, I was choosing between which run had fewer big mistakes in my riding.
I'll get there eventually, but I think I need a bit more time sucking less before I can ask my bike to perform more ideally!
I am going to go out on a limb and guess you're referencing the OneUp hubs...
I don't know if anything has been done, but holy the drag was crazy. My buddy built up some wheels when they first came out, and I couldn't believe the drag on the rear wheel, especially compared to my Hope Pro 5.
I should note that I've got sag on fork and shock, shock compression damping, and fork rebound damping feeling pretty decent through my coarse bracketing efforts.
I think my fork compression damping is in a good place but I don't think I can say that with any certainty. I often feel like my CoG is pretty fluid so I find myself having different experiences with the fork without being able to point to the fork as the culprit. I'm also not convinced that my shock rebound bracketing yielded any obvious improvements.
I figured I should say I'm not just inflating to an arbitrary spring rate and letting it fly. There's been some work to get us into the ballpark. I'm just not that good at hitting pitches so I'm having a hard time getting a lot of game-time running the bases.
p.s. Is it just me or have the dots next to the posts (where you'd normally click to get the "edit" function) disappeared? I'd have preferred to put this in the previous reply but...I don't see the "edit" option.
Sorry, by OEM I meant that I've only seen them come on complete bikes. Here are some pictures
They're on Gr30 wheels and the road 40/44 wheels. The higher end builds do have dt hubs. I do think I've seen them on some aluminum mountain wheels, but I don't have pictures or the bike anymore.
Have not noticed any significant drag on my OneUp hubs but keeping that in the back pocket as an excuse the next time I'm last up the climb on a group ride.
It's good to be prepared for situations like these.
G10 PRJCT is rolling out world cup grade front rotor guards. Pretty sweet product for crap conditions and will protect the caliper and rotor while tailgate shuttling etc. Just picked up a Fox 40/220 rotor model and the fit/finish is great.
https://www.g10prjct.com/collections/rotor-guards
This fella here shows the drag when talking about the sound and then goes on to mention they have some resistance.
I put about 500km on a set before They started to spin free'er but still not flash - I definitly noticed it when i was used to Hope pro 5's. sluggish feeling - I ended up Selling all 4 rear hubs and went to 350's.
I would 100% buy oneup's if they fixed the drag. - good group of people.
Man do I hope to read some more opinions about bracketing in the tech rumors thread!
The big play for hub manufacturers has always been wheels. I recall one of the major rim and hub manufacturers once telling me if they had their time again they would have gone into the spoke game for truly wild margins.
I could see one up becoming the mid tier MTB wheel option and reserve the ahem, reserve/top tier option. PON have a strategic advantage being able to spec wheels on their own bikes too.
Look weirdly tall to be a new product by today’s carbon rims standard
That totally makes sense too.
It still amazes me though as I love a good rabbit hole and he seems like the kind of guy that would too.
A example for me is this quick video of my "one notes" on suspension setup for my Smuggler that I bought start of 2019. This was my first air sprung bike having only had coil before so I didn't know what it should feel like. But I got all Alice in Suspensionland on it...
Alice in Suspensionland https://imgur.com/gallery/x0oPDNC
Very true, however you can also consider the other end of that analogy. You may be the best musician in the world but alot of that goes out the window if your instrument is out of tune.
Regarding Oneup wheels, there's a design engineer job opening with them that mentions designing wheels specifically...
I want long chainstays on all bikes except BMX and Dirt jump bikes or trials bikes. For mtb it's better at climbing and keeps the bike more balanced.
Speaking of drag, I was surprised that the base level WTB frequency hub spins a lot smoother and better than my 350s. Maybe I need to service the 350s
The anticipated updates to the Manitou Mezzer are finally being uncovered.
https://road.cc/offroad/tech-news/manitous-updated-mezzer-gen-2-suspension-fork-aims-for-long-travel-perfection-with-two-chassis-options
Edit- PB also has their photo album up.
https://www.pinkbike.com/u/HayesPerformanceSystems/album/Manitou-Mezzer…
I had heard rumors they were going USD on the v2, guess those weren't true.
Still, sounds like some changes to the air spring (spring backed? is this like DVO / SR Suntour's spring negative they used to use?) and damper (wtf is air backed bladder?).
Love the polished crown, though. The prototypes were fully polished and looked awesome, cool to see them at least partly return to that
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