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mscofield4 wrote:

The last time they built a DH bike?

Simcik wrote:
Be so cool to see an Evil DH bike again. When Evil first launched with the Revolt in alloy I think they had quite a few warranty...

Be so cool to see an Evil DH bike again. 

When Evil first launched with the Revolt in alloy I think they had quite a few warranty frames. They replaced all or nearly all. Not sure if material, fabrication, heat treating or what, but I remember a lot of them breaking. That was like 15 years ago, if not longer. 

I think the Undead (the carbon DH bike) were much more reliable. Then they shifted their focus to trail and enduro bikes.

Since then, Sorge and others have ridden their enduro (Wreckoning) bike at Rampage and such without seeing that being an issue. I wouldn't hesitate to buy an Evil today.

IIRC the tolerance stacking in the linkage was poor and led to issues (binding) even on the ones that didn't crack

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jonkranked wrote:

IIRC the tolerance stacking in the linkage was poor and led to issues (binding) even on the ones that didn't crack

I was patiently in line to get one of these, and a good friend of mine was an outside rep. He excitedly texted me when their shipment came in, and then a couple hours later gave me the bad news. My memory might be off, but I think it was only 1 in every 10 frames that were usable. 

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integrated angle adjustment IIRC

Yep, I had a Commencal mini-DH back in the day with the same setup. Thanks for posting the infamous photo, I spent way too long looking for it this morning. 

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I’m not pro-Evil but dude this is like bringing up the Pinto as a reason not to get a new Ford. 

There may be plenty of relevant and current reasons but this isn’t one.

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owl-x wrote:
I’m not pro-Evil but dude this is like bringing up the Pinto as a reason not to get a new Ford. There may be plenty of relevant...

I’m not pro-Evil but dude this is like bringing up the Pinto as a reason not to get a new Ford. 

There may be plenty of relevant and current reasons but this isn’t one.

I don't buy Ford because of the Michigan Supreme Court's decision in the 1919 case Dodge v. Ford Motor Company.

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owl-x wrote:
I’m not pro-Evil but dude this is like bringing up the Pinto as a reason not to get a new Ford. There may be plenty of relevant...

I’m not pro-Evil but dude this is like bringing up the Pinto as a reason not to get a new Ford. 

There may be plenty of relevant and current reasons but this isn’t one.

It's more an explanation of why evil hasn't had a dh bike in their lineup for so long

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owl-x wrote:
I’m not pro-Evil but dude this is like bringing up the Pinto as a reason not to get a new Ford. There may be plenty of relevant...

I’m not pro-Evil but dude this is like bringing up the Pinto as a reason not to get a new Ford. 

There may be plenty of relevant and current reasons but this isn’t one.

TEAMROBOT wrote:

I don't buy Ford because of the Michigan Supreme Court's decision in the 1919 case Dodge v. Ford Motor Company.

I think a better reason is because Ford was a nazi sympathizer. That said, we have more than likely all owned products from companies with ties to the nazis sadly.

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Madrone with a DH set up is rad!

Madrone with a DH set up is rad! IMG 2781

I emailed them about 5 weeks ago to see if this was a possibility. They said “watch this space”. Glad to see it’s happening. 

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owl-x wrote:
I’m not pro-Evil but dude this is like bringing up the Pinto as a reason not to get a new Ford. There may be plenty of relevant...

I’m not pro-Evil but dude this is like bringing up the Pinto as a reason not to get a new Ford. 

There may be plenty of relevant and current reasons but this isn’t one.

TEAMROBOT wrote:

I don't buy Ford because of the Michigan Supreme Court's decision in the 1919 case Dodge v. Ford Motor Company.

I think a better reason is because Ford was a nazi sympathizer. That said, we have more than likely all owned products from companies with ties...

I think a better reason is because Ford was a nazi sympathizer. That said, we have more than likely all owned products from companies with ties to the nazis sadly.

So what, this crap doesn’t belong to this thread, or any on this website per se 

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TEAMROBOT wrote:

I don't buy Ford because of the Michigan Supreme Court's decision in the 1919 case Dodge v. Ford Motor Company.

I think a better reason is because Ford was a nazi sympathizer. That said, we have more than likely all owned products from companies with ties...

I think a better reason is because Ford was a nazi sympathizer. That said, we have more than likely all owned products from companies with ties to the nazis sadly.

Evil96 wrote:

So what, this crap doesn’t belong to this thread, or any on this website per se 

Well said. Keep your BS at home where it belongs. 

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TEAMROBOT wrote:

I don't buy Ford because of the Michigan Supreme Court's decision in the 1919 case Dodge v. Ford Motor Company.

I think a better reason is because Ford was a nazi sympathizer. That said, we have more than likely all owned products from companies with ties...

I think a better reason is because Ford was a nazi sympathizer. That said, we have more than likely all owned products from companies with ties to the nazis sadly.

Evil96 wrote:

So what, this crap doesn’t belong to this thread, or any on this website per se 

Take it easy buddy. I’m not trying to derail the entire conversation but also think it’s allowed to have an aside now and again. There’s plenty of off topic quips that go on in this thread. 

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sspomer wrote:
evil DH bike?

evil DH bike?

evilDHbike.jpg?VersionId=Mrx94WC74RRe9evilDHbike2.jpg?VersionId=rG

I love DH bikes. They make my motor hum like a buzzy bee. I get excited just looking at my DH bike and all silly when I ride it and pretend I’m Asa who makes it look SO easy. 

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I think a better reason is because Ford was a nazi sympathizer. That said, we have more than likely all owned products from companies with ties...

I think a better reason is because Ford was a nazi sympathizer. That said, we have more than likely all owned products from companies with ties to the nazis sadly.

Evil96 wrote:

So what, this crap doesn’t belong to this thread, or any on this website per se 

Take it easy buddy. I’m not trying to derail the entire conversation but also think it’s allowed to have an aside now and again. There’s plenty...

Take it easy buddy. I’m not trying to derail the entire conversation but also think it’s allowed to have an aside now and again. There’s plenty of off topic quips that go on in this thread. 

yeah I prefer this to arguing about brake mounting standards tbh

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owl-x wrote:
I’m not pro-Evil but dude this is like bringing up the Pinto as a reason not to get a new Ford. There may be plenty of relevant...

I’m not pro-Evil but dude this is like bringing up the Pinto as a reason not to get a new Ford. 

There may be plenty of relevant and current reasons but this isn’t one.

TEAMROBOT wrote:

I don't buy Ford because of the Michigan Supreme Court's decision in the 1919 case Dodge v. Ford Motor Company.

Damn dude! I just looked this up and at first glance Ford was the homie for doing something other than maximizing shareholder profits but then I read the next paragraph of the Wikipedia and he was doing that, in part, to squeeze out the dodge bros from using their fordbux to make their competitor brand, so that seem like he’d be a god to the Brinance types oh so smart (usually psychopathic) but then I got very bored and realized that there are no winners in that one and Chevrolets have always been cooler than Fords and/or Dodges. My dad had a NASCAR type character who’d say cool car things and one of them was “I’d rather push my Chevy than drive a Ford” and I will say that the rest of my life for sure

was this not part of a Super Bowl ad campaign a few years ago? 

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I think a better reason is because Ford was a nazi sympathizer. That said, we have more than likely all owned products from companies with ties...

I think a better reason is because Ford was a nazi sympathizer. That said, we have more than likely all owned products from companies with ties to the nazis sadly.

Evil96 wrote:

So what, this crap doesn’t belong to this thread, or any on this website per se 

Rob25001 wrote:

Well said. Keep your BS at home where it belongs. 

Cybertruckers revealed!

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owl-x wrote:
I’m not pro-Evil but dude this is like bringing up the Pinto as a reason not to get a new Ford. There may be plenty of relevant...

I’m not pro-Evil but dude this is like bringing up the Pinto as a reason not to get a new Ford. 

There may be plenty of relevant and current reasons but this isn’t one.

TEAMROBOT wrote:

I don't buy Ford because of the Michigan Supreme Court's decision in the 1919 case Dodge v. Ford Motor Company.

owl-x wrote:
Damn dude! I just looked this up and at first glance Ford was the homie for doing something other than maximizing shareholder profits but then I...

Damn dude! I just looked this up and at first glance Ford was the homie for doing something other than maximizing shareholder profits but then I read the next paragraph of the Wikipedia and he was doing that, in part, to squeeze out the dodge bros from using their fordbux to make their competitor brand, so that seem like he’d be a god to the Brinance types oh so smart (usually psychopathic) but then I got very bored and realized that there are no winners in that one and Chevrolets have always been cooler than Fords and/or Dodges. My dad had a NASCAR type character who’d say cool car things and one of them was “I’d rather push my Chevy than drive a Ford” and I will say that the rest of my life for sure

was this not part of a Super Bowl ad campaign a few years ago? 

nah I feel like Ford doing stuff that would help the working class cancels out that they were trying to screw the dodge brothers over

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22 hours ago Edited Date/Time 22 hours ago
mscofield4 wrote:

The last time they built a DH bike?

Simcik wrote:
Be so cool to see an Evil DH bike again. When Evil first launched with the Revolt in alloy I think they had quite a few warranty...

Be so cool to see an Evil DH bike again. 

When Evil first launched with the Revolt in alloy I think they had quite a few warranty frames. They replaced all or nearly all. Not sure if material, fabrication, heat treating or what, but I remember a lot of them breaking. That was like 15 years ago, if not longer. 

I think the Undead (the carbon DH bike) were much more reliable. Then they shifted their focus to trail and enduro bikes.

Since then, Sorge and others have ridden their enduro (Wreckoning) bike at Rampage and such without seeing that being an issue. I wouldn't hesitate to buy an Evil today.

This might help with placing it in history Smile

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owl-x wrote:
I’m not pro-Evil but dude this is like bringing up the Pinto as a reason not to get a new Ford. There may be plenty of relevant...

I’m not pro-Evil but dude this is like bringing up the Pinto as a reason not to get a new Ford. 

There may be plenty of relevant and current reasons but this isn’t one.

TEAMROBOT wrote:

I don't buy Ford because of the Michigan Supreme Court's decision in the 1919 case Dodge v. Ford Motor Company.

Didn‘t know that one, looked it up and man, that will give me (as a European) something to ponder for a couple of days. Especially in this economy and regarding the purchase of bike parts Smile

And yes, I find this very bike-relevant, even though it touches on politics. 

Taiwan being relevant for many of the parts in this thread, companies producing/buying there solely, could be facing serious challenges. Or not. 

I am very curious for the Tallboy on monday and also pondering the question, if Santa Cruz is still an american company or a european one, because of PON holding? ;-)

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Wait till you hear about Volkswagen! 

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Wait till you hear about Volkswagen! 

Today I looked for some replacement floor mats for my Japanese car and found one manufacturer that puts little Imperial Japanese flags on them.  I wondered what they do if you own a Volkswagen.

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Wait till you hear about Volkswagen! 

boozed wrote:
Today I looked for some replacement floor mats for my Japanese car and found one manufacturer that puts little Imperial Japanese flags on them.  I wondered...

Today I looked for some replacement floor mats for my Japanese car and found one manufacturer that puts little Imperial Japanese flags on them.  I wondered what they do if you own a Volkswagen.

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Remember the good old days when we talked about bikes on here?

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boozed
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Big Bird wrote:

Remember the good old days when we talked about bikes on here?

You mean chainstays?

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4 hours ago Edited Date/Time 4 hours ago

From what Evil have said (Jason Moeschler) it’s not a DH dedicated bike - there just isn’t the market for them, it’ll be the new Wreckoning but it’s not going to be out anytime soon… so he says.. he’s on instagram as evil.bikes.smooth.operator and answers questions every Friday in his stories. This bike was in it this week. 

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4 hours ago Edited Date/Time 4 hours ago

Zerode are launching a new frameset, looks like two travel variants, 160 and 140mm. Shadow and Shadow Trail. 450mm chainstays on the large too. Internal frame storage too. Curious what the kinematics are. Looks pretty cool imo!

 

https://zerodebikes.com/products/shadow-origin

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Shadow Origin

Rob continues his streak of only launching bikes like a month or two after I buy something else...

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3 hours ago Edited Date/Time 3 hours ago

These were launched a month ago, although sounds like delays on deliveries.

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