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Absolutely, if your bars are too low, you don't have confidence to load them and you will lean back...what I think people tend to miss is that the whole bike needs to work as a system, it you only just fit the bike with 50mm stem, slapping 15mm stem on it will make your rider space too short and it would be quite exhausting ( imagine doing pushup with hands at the level of a belly button) not easy right? If you have bike with long reach, you have more room to play with.
Not all short stems are like the raised reverse stem, that thing clearly works for him but I've yet to see anyone use it and think it worked out for them.
The short stem like what Rulezman provided and in the photo from Hope is a bit different, it retains the super short stem but doesn't pull the bars back as far and neither have the absurd height. If you read Rulezman's approach, whether you agree with him or not, it seems the theory based on the bike's geometry accommodating it. If you just go and throw one on your bike, yea you might have issues, he seems to focus on it being more ideal for longer reach and esp longer chainstay bikes, encouraging users of the stem to size up at times when using it. It is meant to be part of an overall geometry solution not so much a drop on your bike and win, I think this is where people may have had issues.
I actually have one but I've yet to use it for varying reasons, mainly that I went through a period where riding fell off and I haven't had a bike that I thought it would work well on yet.
Brian Cahal also did a followup video where he tried the RR stem reversed (i.e. +15mm rather than -15mm), and said it felt better that way. I can't remember exactly but pretty sure he still washed the front once with it like that.
I'm personally of the school of thought where I select stem length based on how it feels for steering speed as opposed to cockpit fit, then adjust bar and stack height to match across my bikes. But then again, I also ride 3 bikes with very similar modern but not crazy reach and CS lengths. I feel like some of these goofy stem setups come from making the bike geometry really excessively long in pursuit of stability, then losing handling and trying to back into that with the goofy stem.
https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/modern-geo-talk-chainstays-stack-re…
Super short stems have the potential if the entire geometry of the bike was built around them.
They seem unlikely to work well as an add on to existing geometry that was designed around a normal stem length.
Is it 2014 again?
https://www.mbr.co.uk/news/bike_news/mondrakers-forward-geometry-explai…
We have always been in 2014.
Everything is cyclical.
i mean youre not wrong but a skier still needs to push into the front of their boot. also not mentioned in the analogy is that lengthening the tails will lessen the forward weight bias needed to turn the ski.
if i have to weight the front end i want lower and longer for more stability. but if i want a short reach high stack for body position, i want longer CSs so that i dont have to lean precariously over the front to get that grip.
a lot of bike stuff (0 stem...) is trying to fix weight distribution and body position Part & Parcel, rather than approaching the whole system. i like that we're talking about mondraker because, as stated a few posts ago, they were really close to figuring this out over a decade ago, but they were missing the long CS piece. goes to show how precariously all of these pieces are balanced!
Harriet Harnden won Pietra Ligure on the Rulezman stem. Your argument is invalid.
On a bike that is long AF front and rear, to be noted
Yeah and she won last year on a trek, sooo maybe it’s more that she rips on a bike?
She has also won XC races and cyclocross races in the past.
I too think she's a ripper on a bike. I could probably give her my 120mm trail bike set up as it is for me right now and she'd podium an EDR.
Just reinforcing what you're saying: She rips regardless of her stem or chainstay length.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOg53i_68N8 They talk about the cockpit 6 minutes in. I was around for the early Mondraker days plus at least a decade. I love how the bikes have evolved and think this might come back with where geo is going. In a bike check she said that Reese gave it to her and it came off his ebike.
Orrrrr maybe she just knows what she's doing and see's value in the stem...
Some serious mental gymnastics going on in here.
She’s on a bike that’s a size or even 2 sizes too big with a short stem to fix it. That’s all. Yall are nuts short CS and short reach and small wheels are where it’s at
what if you are on a bike that’s 2 sizes too small for you with a long stem to fix it?
Can't wait for Scott to release the first one piece handlebar/fork steerer so we don't have to worry about stems anymore !
One day powder bed fusion manufacturing will be so good that Scott will be able to manufacture an entire bicycle as a single part. Maybe.
You are a professional road rider that believes it will be more aero..
I'm on a L 2018 Smuggler which came with a 40mm stem and 20mm rise (7° backsweep) bars.
I'm now on 50mm rise, 10° backsweep bars on a 60mm stem. The increase in backsweep which is heaven for my wrists did result in a more cramped feeling "reach" hence the 60mm stem.
Stem height is probably 5mm lower than what it was originally.
Oh you have to change out your headset bearings? Thats stupid just throw the bike away and buy a whole new one 😃
Yeah but they can just melt it down and print a new one
ah great, tech rumors turned into geo/stem length discussion again…🤣
Vital's Law: All threads eventually become bike geo threads..
Also, we have this: https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/modern-geo-talk-chainstays-stack-re…
Racers have crashed on short stems because they haven't used them with long chainstays. If you feel more comfortable on a 42,5mm stem then stick with that. I've tested -10, 10, 17 and 20mm in the last decade and I've settled on 20mm. My bike has 474mm chainstays and I have loads of front end grip.
Its a good looking bike.
And under Colognes it sure looks fast, given that hes coming from the Commencal, which everyone seems to think is the fastest bike on the circuit right now.
It also appears to the the same "2008 demo" suspension design as the "new" Nukeproof haha.
Coulanges, the name you are looking for is Coulanges. He rides a bike for a living.
Colognes. You wear those on the body to smell better. Know your French.