I first thought it’s kinda weird for an American company to present their stuff on Eurobike first and foremost - but then I read their Wikipedia page:
Tilta's operations include multiple locations in and around Shenzhen, China. Since 2016, Tilta has operated a US-based showroom, warehouse, repair center and offices in Burbank, California
If I had to guess, that zip-tie on the linkage is so people don't try to cycle the linkage because the shock doesn't work. I find it...
If I had to guess, that zip-tie on the linkage is so people don't try to cycle the linkage because the shock doesn't work.
I find it much more likely that the rear shock isn't pressurized than someone went through all the effort to make that frame but it doesn't work. It's way easier to make a bike frame (especially with that lugs-and-tubes design) than a functioning rear shock that can contain the 200psi people will cram in it.
I have doubts the company will survive coming into the market with such a wide range of offerings, historically it seems better to start niche and branch out...
Especially since (I'm assuming) the shock has been flown from cali to europe, so it'll have to have the air taken out for that regardless.
If I had to guess, that zip-tie on the linkage is so people don't try to cycle the linkage because the shock doesn't work. I find it...
If I had to guess, that zip-tie on the linkage is so people don't try to cycle the linkage because the shock doesn't work.
I find it much more likely that the rear shock isn't pressurized than someone went through all the effort to make that frame but it doesn't work. It's way easier to make a bike frame (especially with that lugs-and-tubes design) than a functioning rear shock that can contain the 200psi people will cram in it.
I have doubts the company will survive coming into the market with such a wide range of offerings, historically it seems better to start niche and branch out...
Okay big conspiracy time. The podium fork has been made for a long time. Fox was waiting for the traditional design of their forks to plateau in innovation and sales before “being the first”. It weighs so much on purpose because their next gen of the fork (which is already made and designed) will be bigger news than the second coming of Jesus. Then after that it will be even bigger with slight updates to the damper that work for USD forks even better, and EVEN LESS WEIGHT. But if they released the fork as perfect on day 1, what respectable dentist/engineer would buy that same 5 year old fork that works perfectly fine and may even win EWS races left and right?
PS: Dear Cannondale, its time… do it… blow us away.
Galfer released floating shark rotors. The Kashima one would look pretty rad a Podium fork. Too bad it is not 2.3mm thick. Also in their Instagram comments they said their own brakes should be coming out in 2026.
Galfer released floating shark rotors. The Kashima one would look pretty rad a Podium fork. Too bad it is not 2.3mm thick. Also in their Instagram...
Galfer released floating shark rotors. The Kashima one would look pretty rad a Podium fork. Too bad it is not 2.3mm thick. Also in their Instagram comments they said their own brakes should be coming out in 2026.
from the photog - Ella Conolly, Dan Booker and Jesse Melamed were the ones to run it here on the first practice day in Canazei. There is a cover on the left bottom side, maybe some new dials….new lowers and new bridge, so looks like a brand new fork not just some upgrade. It looks like all of them run it in 170mm travel
more photos of the prototype zeb.from the photog - Ella Conolly, Dan Booker and Jesse Melamed were the ones to run it here on the first...
more photos of the prototype zeb.
from the photog - Ella Conolly, Dan Booker and Jesse Melamed were the ones to run it here on the first practice day in Canazei. There is a cover on the left bottom side, maybe some new dials….new lowers and new bridge, so looks like a brand new fork not just some upgrade. It looks like all of them run it in 170mm travel
Galfer released floating shark rotors. The Kashima one would look pretty rad a Podium fork. Too bad it is not 2.3mm thick. Also in their Instagram...
Galfer released floating shark rotors. The Kashima one would look pretty rad a Podium fork. Too bad it is not 2.3mm thick. Also in their Instagram comments they said their own brakes should be coming out in 2026.
more photos of the prototype zeb.from the photog - Ella Conolly, Dan Booker and Jesse Melamed were the ones to run it here on the first...
more photos of the prototype zeb.
from the photog - Ella Conolly, Dan Booker and Jesse Melamed were the ones to run it here on the first practice day in Canazei. There is a cover on the left bottom side, maybe some new dials….new lowers and new bridge, so looks like a brand new fork not just some upgrade. It looks like all of them run it in 170mm travel
My speculation is that the lower cover is some sort of brake sensor, given that all 3 of the forks are Flight Attendant. And maybe the funky plastic cover on the arch houses more sensors/processors/transmitters.
Brake hose clamp looks different too, to go with the reshaped lowers.
Galfer released floating shark rotors. The Kashima one would look pretty rad a Podium fork. Too bad it is not 2.3mm thick. Also in their Instagram...
Galfer released floating shark rotors. The Kashima one would look pretty rad a Podium fork. Too bad it is not 2.3mm thick. Also in their Instagram comments they said their own brakes should be coming out in 2026.
more photos of the prototype zeb.from the photog - Ella Conolly, Dan Booker and Jesse Melamed were the ones to run it here on the first...
more photos of the prototype zeb.
from the photog - Ella Conolly, Dan Booker and Jesse Melamed were the ones to run it here on the first practice day in Canazei. There is a cover on the left bottom side, maybe some new dials….new lowers and new bridge, so looks like a brand new fork not just some upgrade. It looks like all of them run it in 170mm travel
I'm all up for functionality over esthectics, but damn that's an uggly fork! I guess this is what we get when corporations get rid of designers in favor of Generative AI desings
Maybe it was the best design stiffness and tool opening wise and had the looks that are passable. Older, more rounded arch designs had a lot of webbing on the backside adding weight, possibly not in the right place.
You have to think about a lot of things mass producing products, when it comes to molded things (especially plastics, but metals too) wall thicknesses must be fairly constant, you can't have thick sections (can cause dimples when cooling as the surface cools and freezes first, then the inside, shrinking in the process), can't have overhangs as it complicates tooling, etc.
Eh, looks are all subjective. I happen to like the looks of it - very brutal & stout, fits with purpose. Let the XC guys have flimsy generative design web arches.
more photos of the prototype zeb.from the photog - Ella Conolly, Dan Booker and Jesse Melamed were the ones to run it here on the first...
more photos of the prototype zeb.
from the photog - Ella Conolly, Dan Booker and Jesse Melamed were the ones to run it here on the first practice day in Canazei. There is a cover on the left bottom side, maybe some new dials….new lowers and new bridge, so looks like a brand new fork not just some upgrade. It looks like all of them run it in 170mm travel
Maybe under the black cover on the lowers (where the bridge of the two sides connect) they connected the internal volume of the lowers together to have equal pressure
Okay big conspiracy time. The podium fork has been made for a long time. Fox was waiting for the traditional design of their forks to plateau...
Okay big conspiracy time. The podium fork has been made for a long time. Fox was waiting for the traditional design of their forks to plateau in innovation and sales before “being the first”. It weighs so much on purpose because their next gen of the fork (which is already made and designed) will be bigger news than the second coming of Jesus. Then after that it will be even bigger with slight updates to the damper that work for USD forks even better, and EVEN LESS WEIGHT. But if they released the fork as perfect on day 1, what respectable dentist/engineer would buy that same 5 year old fork that works perfectly fine and may even win EWS races left and right?
PS: Dear Cannondale, its time… do it… blow us away.
Cannondale should make a dual crown fork for the Jekyll, and call it the Full Send.
My speculation is that the lower cover is some sort of brake sensor, given that all 3 of the forks are Flight Attendant. And maybe the...
My speculation is that the lower cover is some sort of brake sensor, given that all 3 of the forks are Flight Attendant. And maybe the funky plastic cover on the arch houses more sensors/processors/transmitters.
Brake hose clamp looks different too, to go with the reshaped lowers.
Am I the only one who's really only excited by radial tires and lightweight ebikes for kids right now?
Airshock tech is sorta at a standstill (Fox Genius aside), the Fox Podium seems like a great representation that we're getting desperate for innovation with front suspension. The new Shimano lineup is great but its not going to massively change your ride experience.
Preventing flats, protecting rims, and having reasonable weight tire/wheel systems still seems like there is more to learn.
The Mondraker F-Play 24 caught my attention for my kiddos. She's a little ripper who would love to be able to have more in the tank for longer rides and more vert, plus it's only 35lbs - only a few pounds more than comparable non-motorized 24" full suspension bikes. The YT Primus is 28lbs. Biggest difference is a huge price jump - $1300 for the YT and $3200 for the eeb.
Am I the only one who's really only excited by radial tires and lightweight ebikes for kids right now?Airshock tech is sorta at a standstill (Fox...
Am I the only one who's really only excited by radial tires and lightweight ebikes for kids right now?
Airshock tech is sorta at a standstill (Fox Genius aside), the Fox Podium seems like a great representation that we're getting desperate for innovation with front suspension. The new Shimano lineup is great but its not going to massively change your ride experience.
Preventing flats, protecting rims, and having reasonable weight tire/wheel systems still seems like there is more to learn.
The Mondraker F-Play 24 caught my attention for my kiddos. She's a little ripper who would love to be able to have more in the tank for longer rides and more vert, plus it's only 35lbs - only a few pounds more than comparable non-motorized 24" full suspension bikes. The YT Primus is 28lbs. Biggest difference is a huge price jump - $1300 for the YT and $3200 for the eeb.
tuning compliance with a plastic insert? fascinating.
tho now that i look at the zoomed image, it appears the casting is continuous below a plastic cap. alas, my dreams of lateral / torsional compliance tuning via swappable brace inserts has been dashed. dashes off to patent concept
tho now that i look at the zoomed image, it appears the casting is continuous below a plastic cap. alas, my dreams of lateral / torsional...
tho now that i look at the zoomed image, it appears the casting is continuous below a plastic cap. alas, my dreams of lateral / torsional compliance tuning via swappable brace inserts has been dashed. dashes off to patent concept
It could be be a stiffener. Magnesium is not very stiff so if this were carbon, titanium or steel the combined structure might be improved. Manitou had a fork in the 2000's with a carbon arch.
edit: I hadn't noticed the hollowed out thickness of the black part, that make my stiffener idea seem less likely.
I first thought it’s kinda weird for an American company to present their stuff on Eurobike first and foremost - but then I read their Wikipedia page:
Tilta's operations include multiple locations in and around Shenzhen, China. Since 2016, Tilta has operated a US-based showroom, warehouse, repair center and offices in Burbank, California
I guess it makes sense then
Especially since (I'm assuming) the shock has been flown from cali to europe, so it'll have to have the air taken out for that regardless.
Sounds like a town in Cornwall.
No need to do that.
That was me, it needed to happen 🤣
Lol yeah pressure at sea level is under 15psi. You can take your fork into a perfect vacuum and it's going to gain very little gauge pressure.
Ah, I see you’re also a man of culture…
Okay big conspiracy time. The podium fork has been made for a long time. Fox was waiting for the traditional design of their forks to plateau in innovation and sales before “being the first”. It weighs so much on purpose because their next gen of the fork (which is already made and designed) will be bigger news than the second coming of Jesus. Then after that it will be even bigger with slight updates to the damper that work for USD forks even better, and EVEN LESS WEIGHT. But if they released the fork as perfect on day 1, what respectable dentist/engineer would buy that same 5 year old fork that works perfectly fine and may even win EWS races left and right?
PS: Dear Cannondale, its time… do it… blow us away.
Galfer released floating shark rotors. The Kashima one would look pretty rad a Podium fork. Too bad it is not 2.3mm thick. Also in their Instagram comments they said their own brakes should be coming out in 2026.
https://galfer.eu/bike/galfer-takes-its-shark-line-to-the-next-level-with-the-new-disc-shark-evo-for-mtb/
When the Kashima boyz realized they can match their factory suspension
more photos of the prototype zeb.
from the photog - Ella Conolly, Dan Booker and Jesse Melamed were the ones to run it here on the first practice day in Canazei. There is a cover on the left bottom side, maybe some new dials….new lowers and new bridge, so looks like a brand new fork not just some upgrade. It looks like all of them run it in 170mm travel
Looks like they're covering a bleed port?
Doesn't look floating from the provided materials.
My speculation is that the lower cover is some sort of brake sensor, given that all 3 of the forks are Flight Attendant. And maybe the funky plastic cover on the arch houses more sensors/processors/transmitters.
Brake hose clamp looks different too, to go with the reshaped lowers.
Fixed
Zing.
I'm all up for functionality over esthectics, but damn that's an uggly fork!
I guess this is what we get when corporations get rid of designers in favor of Generative AI desings
Maybe it was the best design stiffness and tool opening wise and had the looks that are passable. Older, more rounded arch designs had a lot of webbing on the backside adding weight, possibly not in the right place.
You have to think about a lot of things mass producing products, when it comes to molded things (especially plastics, but metals too) wall thicknesses must be fairly constant, you can't have thick sections (can cause dimples when cooling as the surface cools and freezes first, then the inside, shrinking in the process), can't have overhangs as it complicates tooling, etc.
What the heck is going on with the bridge?
Eh, looks are all subjective. I happen to like the looks of it - very brutal & stout, fits with purpose. Let the XC guys have flimsy generative design web arches.
tuning compliance with a plastic insert? fascinating.
Maybe under the black cover on the lowers (where the bridge of the two sides connect) they connected the internal volume of the lowers together to have equal pressure
Wondering the same... Maybe a mud guard will attach there?
Cannondale should make a dual crown fork for the Jekyll, and call it the Full Send.
yep, sensor would be my guess too
My mind went to something for the fender, too. Some form of friction fit that snaps over this?
Am I the only one who's really only excited by radial tires and lightweight ebikes for kids right now?
Airshock tech is sorta at a standstill (Fox Genius aside), the Fox Podium seems like a great representation that we're getting desperate for innovation with front suspension. The new Shimano lineup is great but its not going to massively change your ride experience.
Preventing flats, protecting rims, and having reasonable weight tire/wheel systems still seems like there is more to learn.
The Mondraker F-Play 24 caught my attention for my kiddos. She's a little ripper who would love to be able to have more in the tank for longer rides and more vert, plus it's only 35lbs - only a few pounds more than comparable non-motorized 24" full suspension bikes. The YT Primus is 28lbs. Biggest difference is a huge price jump - $1300 for the YT and $3200 for the eeb.
Kids ebikes. The end if nigh.
tho now that i look at the zoomed image, it appears the casting is continuous below a plastic cap. alas, my dreams of lateral / torsional compliance tuning via swappable brace inserts has been dashed. dashes off to patent concept
It could be be a stiffener. Magnesium is not very stiff so if this were carbon, titanium or steel the combined structure might be improved. Manitou had a fork in the 2000's with a carbon arch.
edit: I hadn't noticed the hollowed out thickness of the black part, that make my stiffener idea seem less likely.