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6/25/2025 8:20pm
jonkranked wrote:

Stable Ad?

Stab Lead? 

how are we supposed to read that?

ballz wrote:

I suspect we're supposed to read it backwards. 

I’m just going to think stale bread every time I look at that name. 

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6/25/2025 10:47pm
jonkranked wrote:

Stable Ad?

Stab Lead? 

how are we supposed to read that?

St Ablead

After the 14th century St. Ablead who removed carbon waste from the South China Sea by hand, sacrificing himself in the process.

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I first thought it’s kinda weird for an American company to present their stuff on Eurobike first and foremost - but then I read their Wikipedia page:

Tilta's operations include multiple locations in and around Shenzhen, China. Since 2016, Tilta has operated a US-based showroom, warehouse, repair center and offices in Burbank, California


I guess it makes sense then

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6/26/2025 3:58am
If I had to guess, that zip-tie on the linkage is so people don't try to cycle the linkage because the shock doesn't work. I find it...

If I had to guess, that zip-tie on the linkage is so people don't try to cycle the linkage because the shock doesn't work. 

I find it much more likely that the rear shock isn't pressurized than someone went through all the effort to make that frame but it doesn't work. It's way easier to make a bike frame (especially with that lugs-and-tubes design) than a functioning rear shock that can contain the 200psi people will cram in it.

I have doubts the company will survive coming into the market with such a wide range of offerings, historically it seems better to start niche and branch out...

Especially since (I'm assuming) the shock has been flown from cali to europe, so it'll have to have the air taken out for that regardless. 

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6/26/2025 4:01am

St Ablead

After the 14th century St. Ablead who removed carbon waste from the South China Sea by hand, sacrificing himself in the process.

Sounds like a town in Cornwall. 

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If I had to guess, that zip-tie on the linkage is so people don't try to cycle the linkage because the shock doesn't work. I find it...

If I had to guess, that zip-tie on the linkage is so people don't try to cycle the linkage because the shock doesn't work. 

I find it much more likely that the rear shock isn't pressurized than someone went through all the effort to make that frame but it doesn't work. It's way easier to make a bike frame (especially with that lugs-and-tubes design) than a functioning rear shock that can contain the 200psi people will cram in it.

I have doubts the company will survive coming into the market with such a wide range of offerings, historically it seems better to start niche and branch out...

Especially since (I'm assuming) the shock has been flown from cali to europe, so it'll have to have the air taken out for that regardless. 

No need to do that. 

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Somebody made this on one of the vintage downhill pages, I’m still giggling.

Somebody made this on one of the vintage downhill pages, I’m still giggling.

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That was me, it needed to happen 🤣

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6/26/2025 4:12am

Lol yeah pressure at sea level is under 15psi. You can take your fork into a perfect vacuum and it's going to gain very little gauge pressure.

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Uncle Cliffy
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peecee wrote:

That was me, it needed to happen 🤣

Ah, I see you’re also a man of culture…


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6/26/2025 6:49am Edited Date/Time 6/26/2025 6:51am

Okay big conspiracy time. The podium fork has been made for a long time. Fox was waiting for the traditional design of their forks to plateau in innovation and sales before “being the first”. It weighs so much on purpose because their next gen of the fork (which is already made and designed) will be bigger news than the second coming of Jesus. Then after that it will be even bigger with slight updates to the damper that work for USD forks even better, and EVEN LESS WEIGHT. But if they released the fork as perfect on day 1, what respectable dentist/engineer would buy that same 5 year old fork that works perfectly fine and may even win EWS races left and right?


PS: Dear Cannondale, its time… do it… blow us away.

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6/26/2025 7:16am Edited Date/Time 6/26/2025 7:18am

Galfer released floating shark rotors. The Kashima one would look pretty rad a Podium fork. Too bad it is not 2.3mm thick. Also in their Instagram comments they said their own brakes should be coming out in 2026.

https://galfer.eu/bike/galfer-takes-its-shark-line-to-the-next-level-with-the-new-disc-shark-evo-for-mtb/

 

technical-info-1024x757.jpg?VersionId=omT

 

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6/26/2025 8:35am Edited Date/Time 6/26/2025 9:06am
sprungmass wrote:
Galfer released floating shark rotors. The Kashima one would look pretty rad a Podium fork. Too bad it is not 2.3mm thick. Also in their Instagram...

Galfer released floating shark rotors. The Kashima one would look pretty rad a Podium fork. Too bad it is not 2.3mm thick. Also in their Instagram comments they said their own brakes should be coming out in 2026.

https://galfer.eu/bike/galfer-takes-its-shark-line-to-the-next-level-with-the-new-disc-shark-evo-for-mtb/

 

technical-info-1024x757.jpg?VersionId=omT

 

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When the Kashima boyz realized they can match their factory suspension

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more photos of the prototype zeb.

from the photog - Ella Conolly, Dan Booker and Jesse Melamed were the ones to run it here on the first practice day in Canazei. There is a cover on the left bottom side, maybe some new dials….new lowers and new bridge, so looks like a brand new fork not just some upgrade. It looks like all of them run it in 170mm travel

20250626 UCI EDR WC Canazei SR33429
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6/26/2025 9:16am
sspomer wrote:
more photos of the prototype zeb.from the photog - Ella Conolly, Dan Booker and Jesse Melamed were the ones to run it here on the first...

more photos of the prototype zeb.

from the photog - Ella Conolly, Dan Booker and Jesse Melamed were the ones to run it here on the first practice day in Canazei. There is a cover on the left bottom side, maybe some new dials….new lowers and new bridge, so looks like a brand new fork not just some upgrade. It looks like all of them run it in 170mm travel

20250626 UCI EDR WC Canazei SR33429

Looks like they're covering a bleed port?

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6/26/2025 9:21am
sprungmass wrote:
Galfer released floating shark rotors. The Kashima one would look pretty rad a Podium fork. Too bad it is not 2.3mm thick. Also in their Instagram...

Galfer released floating shark rotors. The Kashima one would look pretty rad a Podium fork. Too bad it is not 2.3mm thick. Also in their Instagram comments they said their own brakes should be coming out in 2026.

https://galfer.eu/bike/galfer-takes-its-shark-line-to-the-next-level-with-the-new-disc-shark-evo-for-mtb/

 

technical-info-1024x757.jpg?VersionId=omT

 

Doesn't look floating from the provided materials. 

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6/26/2025 9:24am
sspomer wrote:
more photos of the prototype zeb.from the photog - Ella Conolly, Dan Booker and Jesse Melamed were the ones to run it here on the first...

more photos of the prototype zeb.

from the photog - Ella Conolly, Dan Booker and Jesse Melamed were the ones to run it here on the first practice day in Canazei. There is a cover on the left bottom side, maybe some new dials….new lowers and new bridge, so looks like a brand new fork not just some upgrade. It looks like all of them run it in 170mm travel

20250626 UCI EDR WC Canazei SR33429
jsray wrote:

Looks like they're covering a bleed port?

My speculation is that the lower cover is some sort of brake sensor, given that all 3 of the forks are Flight Attendant.  And maybe the funky plastic cover on the arch houses more sensors/processors/transmitters.

Brake hose clamp looks different too, to go with the reshaped lowers.

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6/26/2025 10:12am
sprungmass wrote:
Galfer released floating shark rotors. The Kashima one would look pretty rad a Podium fork. Too bad it is not 2.3mm thick. Also in their Instagram...

Galfer released floating shark rotors. The Kashima one would look pretty rad a Podium fork. Too bad it is not 2.3mm thick. Also in their Instagram comments they said their own brakes should be coming out in 2026.

https://galfer.eu/bike/galfer-takes-its-shark-line-to-the-next-level-with-the-new-disc-shark-evo-for-mtb/

 

technical-info-1024x757.jpg?VersionId=omT

 

Primoz wrote:

Doesn't look floating from the provided materials. 

Fixed

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6/26/2025 10:23am
jonkranked wrote:

Well I guess Stablead has no intentions of selling shirts

Zing.

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6/26/2025 10:30am
sspomer wrote:
more photos of the prototype zeb.from the photog - Ella Conolly, Dan Booker and Jesse Melamed were the ones to run it here on the first...

more photos of the prototype zeb.

from the photog - Ella Conolly, Dan Booker and Jesse Melamed were the ones to run it here on the first practice day in Canazei. There is a cover on the left bottom side, maybe some new dials….new lowers and new bridge, so looks like a brand new fork not just some upgrade. It looks like all of them run it in 170mm travel

20250626 UCI EDR WC Canazei SR33429

I'm all up for functionality over esthectics, but damn that's an uggly fork!
I guess this is what we get when corporations get rid of designers in favor of Generative AI desings

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6/26/2025 10:39am

Maybe it was the best design stiffness and tool opening wise and had the looks that are passable. Older, more rounded arch designs had a lot of webbing on the backside adding weight, possibly not in the right place.

You have to think about a lot of things mass producing products, when it comes to molded things (especially plastics, but metals too) wall thicknesses must be fairly constant, you can't have thick sections (can cause dimples when cooling as the surface cools and freezes first, then the inside, shrinking in the process), can't have overhangs as it complicates tooling, etc. 

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6/26/2025 10:45am

What the heck is going on with the bridge?

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Eh, looks are all subjective.  I happen to like the looks of it - very brutal & stout, fits with purpose.  Let the XC guys have flimsy generative design web arches.

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6/26/2025 10:54am

What the heck is going on with the bridge?

tuning compliance with a plastic insert? fascinating.  

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6/26/2025 11:01am
sspomer wrote:
more photos of the prototype zeb.from the photog - Ella Conolly, Dan Booker and Jesse Melamed were the ones to run it here on the first...

more photos of the prototype zeb.

from the photog - Ella Conolly, Dan Booker and Jesse Melamed were the ones to run it here on the first practice day in Canazei. There is a cover on the left bottom side, maybe some new dials….new lowers and new bridge, so looks like a brand new fork not just some upgrade. It looks like all of them run it in 170mm travel

20250626 UCI EDR WC Canazei SR33429

Maybe under the black cover on the lowers (where the bridge of the two sides connect) they connected the internal volume of the lowers together to have equal pressure

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6/26/2025 11:14am

What the heck is going on with the bridge?

Wondering the same... Maybe a mud guard will attach there?

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Okay big conspiracy time. The podium fork has been made for a long time. Fox was waiting for the traditional design of their forks to plateau...

Okay big conspiracy time. The podium fork has been made for a long time. Fox was waiting for the traditional design of their forks to plateau in innovation and sales before “being the first”. It weighs so much on purpose because their next gen of the fork (which is already made and designed) will be bigger news than the second coming of Jesus. Then after that it will be even bigger with slight updates to the damper that work for USD forks even better, and EVEN LESS WEIGHT. But if they released the fork as perfect on day 1, what respectable dentist/engineer would buy that same 5 year old fork that works perfectly fine and may even win EWS races left and right?


PS: Dear Cannondale, its time… do it… blow us away.

Cannondale should make a dual crown fork for the Jekyll, and call it the Full Send.

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AndehM wrote:
My speculation is that the lower cover is some sort of brake sensor, given that all 3 of the forks are Flight Attendant.  And maybe the...

My speculation is that the lower cover is some sort of brake sensor, given that all 3 of the forks are Flight Attendant.  And maybe the funky plastic cover on the arch houses more sensors/processors/transmitters.

Brake hose clamp looks different too, to go with the reshaped lowers.

yep, sensor would be my guess too Smile

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What the heck is going on with the bridge?

Carraig042 wrote:

Wondering the same... Maybe a mud guard will attach there?

My mind went to something for the fender, too. Some form of friction fit that snaps over this? 

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6/26/2025 12:33pm

Am I the only one who's really only excited by radial tires and lightweight ebikes for kids right now?

Airshock tech is sorta at a standstill (Fox Genius aside), the Fox Podium seems like a great representation that we're getting desperate for innovation with front suspension. The new Shimano lineup is great but its not going to massively change your ride experience. 

Preventing flats, protecting rims, and having reasonable weight tire/wheel systems still seems like there is more to learn. 

The Mondraker F-Play 24 caught my attention for my kiddos. She's a little ripper who would love to be able to have more in the tank for longer rides and more vert, plus it's only 35lbs - only a few pounds more than comparable non-motorized 24" full suspension bikes. The YT Primus is 28lbs. Biggest difference is a huge price jump - $1300 for the YT and $3200 for the eeb. 

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pheller wrote:
Am I the only one who's really only excited by radial tires and lightweight ebikes for kids right now?Airshock tech is sorta at a standstill (Fox...

Am I the only one who's really only excited by radial tires and lightweight ebikes for kids right now?

Airshock tech is sorta at a standstill (Fox Genius aside), the Fox Podium seems like a great representation that we're getting desperate for innovation with front suspension. The new Shimano lineup is great but its not going to massively change your ride experience. 

Preventing flats, protecting rims, and having reasonable weight tire/wheel systems still seems like there is more to learn. 

The Mondraker F-Play 24 caught my attention for my kiddos. She's a little ripper who would love to be able to have more in the tank for longer rides and more vert, plus it's only 35lbs - only a few pounds more than comparable non-motorized 24" full suspension bikes. The YT Primus is 28lbs. Biggest difference is a huge price jump - $1300 for the YT and $3200 for the eeb. 

Kids ebikes. The end if nigh. 

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