Yeah, can't agree with that at all. I work on these things all the time and GX quality is wayyyy lower than XT in my experience...
Yeah, can't agree with that at all. I work on these things all the time and GX quality is wayyyy lower than XT in my experience. I'll add that the new Shimano stuff is totally comparable to Transmission, which is just the latest iteration of SRAM's wireless drivetrain. Curious why you think it isn't. Because it doesn't require a proprietary frame standard to attach the derailleur?
UDH isn’t proprietary. SRAM doesn’t charge bike manufacturers to use it.
Personally I think the UDH is a good thing AND I think the SRAM direct mount derailleur is a bad idea.
XO is way beyond XT and closer to XTR , GX is more compareable to XT from my experience.
If you are going to compare apples to apples then it would be mechanical systems. There is no way a GX mechanical system is anywhere close to the quality of XT. GX AXS derailleur is garbage, no clutch, poor durability, clunk and loud. XO transmission for the past two years of using has been problematic. Instead of having influencers standing derailleurs for marketing value shimano had riders hit derailleurs off rocks. More real world scenarios. When I did this with XO transmission the p-knuckle spring bent. Replacement of pknuckle and cage was $230 with an XX unit being the only one I could find at the time. X0 replacement not available and had a 3 month lead time.
If you are going to compare apples to apples then it would be mechanical systems. There is no way a GX mechanical system is anywhere close...
If you are going to compare apples to apples then it would be mechanical systems. There is no way a GX mechanical system is anywhere close to the quality of XT. GX AXS derailleur is garbage, no clutch, poor durability, clunk and loud. XO transmission for the past two years of using has been problematic. Instead of having influencers standing derailleurs for marketing value shimano had riders hit derailleurs off rocks. More real world scenarios. When I did this with XO transmission the p-knuckle spring bent. Replacement of pknuckle and cage was $230 with an XX unit being the only one I could find at the time. X0 replacement not available and had a 3 month lead time.
If you are going to compare apples to apples then it would be mechanical systems. There is no way a GX mechanical system is anywhere close...
If you are going to compare apples to apples then it would be mechanical systems. There is no way a GX mechanical system is anywhere close to the quality of XT. GX AXS derailleur is garbage, no clutch, poor durability, clunk and loud. XO transmission for the past two years of using has been problematic. Instead of having influencers standing derailleurs for marketing value shimano had riders hit derailleurs off rocks. More real world scenarios. When I did this with XO transmission the p-knuckle spring bent. Replacement of pknuckle and cage was $230 with an XX unit being the only one I could find at the time. X0 replacement not available and had a 3 month lead time.
Doesn’t sram have the same overload protection, in case you hit something it recoils in then shifts back? I know GX AXS has it, and it works well in my experience.
I'm at Leogang this weekend and wanted to get a sense of how widely pedal kickback devices have been adopted by World Cuppers, along with all the other wild accessories like TMD's/shakeweights, electronics, gearboxes, and more. So out of curiosity and as a service to my fellow nerds, I stood at the top of Q1 today and counted all the devices I could. Note that certain devices were almost certainly undercounted, like shakeweights, added mass, and fancy chainring devices like Ochain or Rimpact (drivetrains were facing away from me in the starting lineup). There were 20 bikes total where I didn’t get a look at their chainring at all
A total of 116 bikes were observed
25+ bikes with Ochain
3+ bikes with Rimpact Chain Damper
11 bikes with Sidekick hub
25 bikes with STFU
17+ front shakeweights
3+ rear shakeweights
17 gearbox bikes
6 bikes running Two Chainz
3 running data acquisition
4+ with added mass strapped, taped, or zip-tied to down tube
6 bikes with electronic suspension of some sort
Lessons:
More shakeweights than I expected
Pretty significant spread of pedal kickback devices. At least 39 of the 116 bikes I observed had some sort of visible pedal kickback device, like Ochain, Rimpact, or the Sidekick hub, and many of those bikes also had STFU.
I only saw one person with a front and rear shakeweight.
Pros really don't like it when you look at their bike and then write down notes on a yellow legal pad.
Real interesting seeing how XTR has been deployed to WCDH riders. Hemstreet, one of the top female riders, on old news. Goldstone on newest bling.
Makes me think that DH really isn't the brand's focus and a Saint update will probably be awhile. I feel like if they wanted us to believe that Saint was being phased out they'd push XTR hard as the "do it all" groupset. Is it possible that their wanting to use XTR in WCDH as more of testbed for Saint improvements?
I'm at Leogang this weekend and wanted to get a sense of how widely pedal kickback devices have been adopted by World Cuppers, along with all the...
I'm at Leogang this weekend and wanted to get a sense of how widely pedal kickback devices have been adopted by World Cuppers, along with all the other wild accessories like TMD's/shakeweights, electronics, gearboxes, and more. So out of curiosity and as a service to my fellow nerds, I stood at the top of Q1 today and counted all the devices I could. Note that certain devices were almost certainly undercounted, like shakeweights, added mass, and fancy chainring devices like Ochain or Rimpact (drivetrains were facing away from me in the starting lineup). There were 20 bikes total where I didn’t get a look at their chainring at all
A total of 116 bikes were observed
25+ bikes with Ochain
3+ bikes with Rimpact Chain Damper
11 bikes with Sidekick hub
25 bikes with STFU
17+ front shakeweights
3+ rear shakeweights
17 gearbox bikes
6 bikes running Two Chainz
3 running data acquisition
4+ with added mass strapped, taped, or zip-tied to down tube
6 bikes with electronic suspension of some sort
Lessons:
More shakeweights than I expected
Pretty significant spread of pedal kickback devices. At least 39 of the 116 bikes I observed had some sort of visible pedal kickback device, like Ochain, Rimpact, or the Sidekick hub, and many of those bikes also had STFU.
I only saw one person with a front and rear shakeweight.
Pros really don't like it when you look at their bike and then write down notes on a yellow legal pad.
Doing the work!
So interesting, thanks for the data.
I was convinced to try Ochain after your awesome review of it, and it improves my ride quality, so I can see why the pros won't some of the special sauce, anything that helps.
I'm at Leogang this weekend and wanted to get a sense of how widely pedal kickback devices have been adopted by World Cuppers, along with all the...
I'm at Leogang this weekend and wanted to get a sense of how widely pedal kickback devices have been adopted by World Cuppers, along with all the other wild accessories like TMD's/shakeweights, electronics, gearboxes, and more. So out of curiosity and as a service to my fellow nerds, I stood at the top of Q1 today and counted all the devices I could. Note that certain devices were almost certainly undercounted, like shakeweights, added mass, and fancy chainring devices like Ochain or Rimpact (drivetrains were facing away from me in the starting lineup). There were 20 bikes total where I didn’t get a look at their chainring at all
A total of 116 bikes were observed
25+ bikes with Ochain
3+ bikes with Rimpact Chain Damper
11 bikes with Sidekick hub
25 bikes with STFU
17+ front shakeweights
3+ rear shakeweights
17 gearbox bikes
6 bikes running Two Chainz
3 running data acquisition
4+ with added mass strapped, taped, or zip-tied to down tube
6 bikes with electronic suspension of some sort
Lessons:
More shakeweights than I expected
Pretty significant spread of pedal kickback devices. At least 39 of the 116 bikes I observed had some sort of visible pedal kickback device, like Ochain, Rimpact, or the Sidekick hub, and many of those bikes also had STFU.
I only saw one person with a front and rear shakeweight.
Pros really don't like it when you look at their bike and then write down notes on a yellow legal pad.
Doing the work! So interesting, thanks for the data. I was convinced to try Ochain after your awesome review of it, and it improves my ride quality, so...
Doing the work!
So interesting, thanks for the data.
I was convinced to try Ochain after your awesome review of it, and it improves my ride quality, so I can see why the pros won't some of the special sauce, anything that helps.
I’m up in the ochain gang too. OO and some of the other mob were on ochain but are not this year. Pretty sure I read on here about a dt Swiss sidekick style hub so maybe he’s on that. Can anyone confirm the dt system or was I just tripping?
I'm at Leogang this weekend and wanted to get a sense of how widely pedal kickback devices have been adopted by World Cuppers, along with all the...
I'm at Leogang this weekend and wanted to get a sense of how widely pedal kickback devices have been adopted by World Cuppers, along with all the other wild accessories like TMD's/shakeweights, electronics, gearboxes, and more. So out of curiosity and as a service to my fellow nerds, I stood at the top of Q1 today and counted all the devices I could. Note that certain devices were almost certainly undercounted, like shakeweights, added mass, and fancy chainring devices like Ochain or Rimpact (drivetrains were facing away from me in the starting lineup). There were 20 bikes total where I didn’t get a look at their chainring at all
A total of 116 bikes were observed
25+ bikes with Ochain
3+ bikes with Rimpact Chain Damper
11 bikes with Sidekick hub
25 bikes with STFU
17+ front shakeweights
3+ rear shakeweights
17 gearbox bikes
6 bikes running Two Chainz
3 running data acquisition
4+ with added mass strapped, taped, or zip-tied to down tube
6 bikes with electronic suspension of some sort
Lessons:
More shakeweights than I expected
Pretty significant spread of pedal kickback devices. At least 39 of the 116 bikes I observed had some sort of visible pedal kickback device, like Ochain, Rimpact, or the Sidekick hub, and many of those bikes also had STFU.
I only saw one person with a front and rear shakeweight.
Pros really don't like it when you look at their bike and then write down notes on a yellow legal pad.
Doing the work! So interesting, thanks for the data. I was convinced to try Ochain after your awesome review of it, and it improves my ride quality, so...
Doing the work!
So interesting, thanks for the data.
I was convinced to try Ochain after your awesome review of it, and it improves my ride quality, so I can see why the pros won't some of the special sauce, anything that helps.
I’m up in the ochain gang too. OO and some of the other mob were on ochain but are not this year. Pretty sure I read...
I’m up in the ochain gang too. OO and some of the other mob were on ochain but are not this year. Pretty sure I read on here about a dt Swiss sidekick style hub so maybe he’s on that. Can anyone confirm the dt system or was I just tripping?
Forever ago DT had a handlebar lever that pulled the two ratcheting rings apart, disengaging the hub. Troy was running it on his sender iirc
Doing the work! So interesting, thanks for the data. I was convinced to try Ochain after your awesome review of it, and it improves my ride quality, so...
Doing the work!
So interesting, thanks for the data.
I was convinced to try Ochain after your awesome review of it, and it improves my ride quality, so I can see why the pros won't some of the special sauce, anything that helps.
I’m up in the ochain gang too. OO and some of the other mob were on ochain but are not this year. Pretty sure I read...
I’m up in the ochain gang too. OO and some of the other mob were on ochain but are not this year. Pretty sure I read on here about a dt Swiss sidekick style hub so maybe he’s on that. Can anyone confirm the dt system or was I just tripping?
I'm at Leogang this weekend and wanted to get a sense of how widely pedal kickback devices have been adopted by World Cuppers, along with all the...
I'm at Leogang this weekend and wanted to get a sense of how widely pedal kickback devices have been adopted by World Cuppers, along with all the other wild accessories like TMD's/shakeweights, electronics, gearboxes, and more. So out of curiosity and as a service to my fellow nerds, I stood at the top of Q1 today and counted all the devices I could. Note that certain devices were almost certainly undercounted, like shakeweights, added mass, and fancy chainring devices like Ochain or Rimpact (drivetrains were facing away from me in the starting lineup). There were 20 bikes total where I didn’t get a look at their chainring at all
A total of 116 bikes were observed
25+ bikes with Ochain
3+ bikes with Rimpact Chain Damper
11 bikes with Sidekick hub
25 bikes with STFU
17+ front shakeweights
3+ rear shakeweights
17 gearbox bikes
6 bikes running Two Chainz
3 running data acquisition
4+ with added mass strapped, taped, or zip-tied to down tube
6 bikes with electronic suspension of some sort
Lessons:
More shakeweights than I expected
Pretty significant spread of pedal kickback devices. At least 39 of the 116 bikes I observed had some sort of visible pedal kickback device, like Ochain, Rimpact, or the Sidekick hub, and many of those bikes also had STFU.
I only saw one person with a front and rear shakeweight.
Pros really don't like it when you look at their bike and then write down notes on a yellow legal pad.
Doing the work! So interesting, thanks for the data. I was convinced to try Ochain after your awesome review of it, and it improves my ride quality, so...
Doing the work!
So interesting, thanks for the data.
I was convinced to try Ochain after your awesome review of it, and it improves my ride quality, so I can see why the pros won't some of the special sauce, anything that helps.
I’m up in the ochain gang too. OO and some of the other mob were on ochain but are not this year. Pretty sure I read...
I’m up in the ochain gang too. OO and some of the other mob were on ochain but are not this year. Pretty sure I read on here about a dt Swiss sidekick style hub so maybe he’s on that. Can anyone confirm the dt system or was I just tripping?
I’m waiting for deore d2. My deore derailleur has got some pretty heavy miles on it and is a bit clunkier than it used to be. I’m hoping the price is right! Combine it with a cheaper wire less dropper. Refinish my headtube for a super clean look.
I’m up in the ochain gang too. OO and some of the other mob were on ochain but are not this year. Pretty sure I read...
I’m up in the ochain gang too. OO and some of the other mob were on ochain but are not this year. Pretty sure I read on here about a dt Swiss sidekick style hub so maybe he’s on that. Can anyone confirm the dt system or was I just tripping?
must have been me who spilled the beans. yes, DT is working on a sidekick style hub as i have been informed, but looking at how expensive that e13 sidekick hub is i think o-chain might be the better and service-friendlier option (no new wheel to lace up).
I’m up in the ochain gang too. OO and some of the other mob were on ochain but are not this year. Pretty sure I read...
I’m up in the ochain gang too. OO and some of the other mob were on ochain but are not this year. Pretty sure I read on here about a dt Swiss sidekick style hub so maybe he’s on that. Can anyone confirm the dt system or was I just tripping?
must have been me who spilled the beans. yes, DT is working on a sidekick style hub as i have been informed, but looking at how...
must have been me who spilled the beans. yes, DT is working on a sidekick style hub as i have been informed, but looking at how expensive that e13 sidekick hub is i think o-chain might be the better and service-friendlier option (no new wheel to lace up).
O-chain is certainly the trail-friendly choice with the option of external control over the float.
I'm at Leogang this weekend and wanted to get a sense of how widely pedal kickback devices have been adopted by World Cuppers, along with all the...
I'm at Leogang this weekend and wanted to get a sense of how widely pedal kickback devices have been adopted by World Cuppers, along with all the other wild accessories like TMD's/shakeweights, electronics, gearboxes, and more. So out of curiosity and as a service to my fellow nerds, I stood at the top of Q1 today and counted all the devices I could. Note that certain devices were almost certainly undercounted, like shakeweights, added mass, and fancy chainring devices like Ochain or Rimpact (drivetrains were facing away from me in the starting lineup). There were 20 bikes total where I didn’t get a look at their chainring at all
A total of 116 bikes were observed
25+ bikes with Ochain
3+ bikes with Rimpact Chain Damper
11 bikes with Sidekick hub
25 bikes with STFU
17+ front shakeweights
3+ rear shakeweights
17 gearbox bikes
6 bikes running Two Chainz
3 running data acquisition
4+ with added mass strapped, taped, or zip-tied to down tube
6 bikes with electronic suspension of some sort
Lessons:
More shakeweights than I expected
Pretty significant spread of pedal kickback devices. At least 39 of the 116 bikes I observed had some sort of visible pedal kickback device, like Ochain, Rimpact, or the Sidekick hub, and many of those bikes also had STFU.
I only saw one person with a front and rear shakeweight.
Pros really don't like it when you look at their bike and then write down notes on a yellow legal pad.
Do you have a feel of which bikes ran ochains & co and which didn't? I.e. were there teams where some riders did run it and some didn't or were there more situations where a certain bike was equipped with it across the whole team (or teams) while there were bikes that did not have it?
I'm at Leogang this weekend and wanted to get a sense of how widely pedal kickback devices have been adopted by World Cuppers, along with all the...
I'm at Leogang this weekend and wanted to get a sense of how widely pedal kickback devices have been adopted by World Cuppers, along with all the other wild accessories like TMD's/shakeweights, electronics, gearboxes, and more. So out of curiosity and as a service to my fellow nerds, I stood at the top of Q1 today and counted all the devices I could. Note that certain devices were almost certainly undercounted, like shakeweights, added mass, and fancy chainring devices like Ochain or Rimpact (drivetrains were facing away from me in the starting lineup). There were 20 bikes total where I didn’t get a look at their chainring at all
A total of 116 bikes were observed
25+ bikes with Ochain
3+ bikes with Rimpact Chain Damper
11 bikes with Sidekick hub
25 bikes with STFU
17+ front shakeweights
3+ rear shakeweights
17 gearbox bikes
6 bikes running Two Chainz
3 running data acquisition
4+ with added mass strapped, taped, or zip-tied to down tube
6 bikes with electronic suspension of some sort
Lessons:
More shakeweights than I expected
Pretty significant spread of pedal kickback devices. At least 39 of the 116 bikes I observed had some sort of visible pedal kickback device, like Ochain, Rimpact, or the Sidekick hub, and many of those bikes also had STFU.
I only saw one person with a front and rear shakeweight.
Pros really don't like it when you look at their bike and then write down notes on a yellow legal pad.
Also def a few people riding the hidden the hidden shakeweights / rimpact tmd - at least Troy, Craik, and Breeden that i know of
Weird shock I haven’t seen before on YT junior William Pugh’s bike (I think?), spotted at the top of qualifying yesterday and then in the pits today. When I asked about it at the pits they said they couldn’t talk about it. Looks like they borrowed the dials from a microscope or maybe a hunting scope.
1. Danny Hart-esque custom hub end cap to deal with brake/wheel/frame flex on an unknown to me Canyon junior men’s bike.
2. Close ups of Jordan Williams brakes on his ebike as he and Loic were track scouting dueing Q2. Probably nothing new to see here, but prove me wrong. I didn’t peel the tape off the lever but I did think about it.
3. The craziest cassette you’ll ever see on Benoit Colanges’ bike. Also, the whole Scott team is on Rimpact chain dampers, which was interesting.
Weird shock I haven’t seen before on YT junior William Pugh’s bike (I think?), spotted at the top of qualifying yesterday and then in the pits...
Weird shock I haven’t seen before on YT junior William Pugh’s bike (I think?), spotted at the top of qualifying yesterday and then in the pits today. When I asked about it at the pits they said they couldn’t talk about it. Looks like they borrowed the dials from a microscope or maybe a hunting scope.
I thought that shock had popped up in this thread but maybe it was Pinkbike. The speculation (note that it's only speculation) was Bilstein.
Also def a few people riding the hidden the hidden shakeweights / rimpact tmd - at least Troy, Craik, and Breeden that i know of
Agreed, it’s super hard to tell what you can’t see with mass dampers. Saw lots of number plates with a big vertical fold/bulge in the middle, so I couldn’t actually spot a TMD but it looked like it would be there. I didn’t include those as a TMD bike in my final count.
Similarly, added mass is almost impossible to tell from your eyeballs on an Orbea or Scott. I remember a few years back Brendan was stuffing lead weights in his crank spindles. Hard to see that with your eyeballs.
As mentioned by someone else, same with the new DT hub internals from WRP. Saw a lot of DT hubs yesterday, but who knows what’s in them?
I didn’t see any particular pattern in who was running PK devices, like low pivot or high pivot. I was surprised that none of the Giant Factory riders had one, because I think of Maestro/DW Link bikes as traditionally having higher AS levels. Wondering if that was a choice by the riders, but because zero of them had it, I wonder if the higher ups at Giant or Shimano told the riders no, or if they just can’t because they are on the old Saint crank. I did see a rider with XT cranks on their DH race bike specifically so they could mount a PK device, which was interesting.
I'm at Leogang this weekend and wanted to get a sense of how widely pedal kickback devices have been adopted by World Cuppers, along with all the...
I'm at Leogang this weekend and wanted to get a sense of how widely pedal kickback devices have been adopted by World Cuppers, along with all the other wild accessories like TMD's/shakeweights, electronics, gearboxes, and more. So out of curiosity and as a service to my fellow nerds, I stood at the top of Q1 today and counted all the devices I could. Note that certain devices were almost certainly undercounted, like shakeweights, added mass, and fancy chainring devices like Ochain or Rimpact (drivetrains were facing away from me in the starting lineup). There were 20 bikes total where I didn’t get a look at their chainring at all
A total of 116 bikes were observed
25+ bikes with Ochain
3+ bikes with Rimpact Chain Damper
11 bikes with Sidekick hub
25 bikes with STFU
17+ front shakeweights
3+ rear shakeweights
17 gearbox bikes
6 bikes running Two Chainz
3 running data acquisition
4+ with added mass strapped, taped, or zip-tied to down tube
6 bikes with electronic suspension of some sort
Lessons:
More shakeweights than I expected
Pretty significant spread of pedal kickback devices. At least 39 of the 116 bikes I observed had some sort of visible pedal kickback device, like Ochain, Rimpact, or the Sidekick hub, and many of those bikes also had STFU.
I only saw one person with a front and rear shakeweight.
Pros really don't like it when you look at their bike and then write down notes on a yellow legal pad.
Next time add a clipboard and a safety vest to look official and you'll hardly get a second look.
I’m up in the ochain gang too. OO and some of the other mob were on ochain but are not this year. Pretty sure I read...
I’m up in the ochain gang too. OO and some of the other mob were on ochain but are not this year. Pretty sure I read on here about a dt Swiss sidekick style hub so maybe he’s on that. Can anyone confirm the dt system or was I just tripping?
must have been me who spilled the beans. yes, DT is working on a sidekick style hub as i have been informed, but looking at how...
must have been me who spilled the beans. yes, DT is working on a sidekick style hub as i have been informed, but looking at how expensive that e13 sidekick hub is i think o-chain might be the better and service-friendlier option (no new wheel to lace up).
I thought I saw on here that the DT sidekick internals will be able to be swapped into current hubs like the WRP ones.
UDH isn’t proprietary. SRAM doesn’t charge bike manufacturers to use it.
Personally I think the UDH is a good thing AND I think the SRAM direct mount derailleur is a bad idea.
I've been told there definitely aren't going to be announcements about wireless XT and Deore next few weeks to month or so.
If you are going to compare apples to apples then it would be mechanical systems. There is no way a GX mechanical system is anywhere close to the quality of XT.
GX AXS derailleur is garbage, no clutch, poor durability, clunk and loud.
XO transmission for the past two years of using has been problematic.
Instead of having influencers standing derailleurs for marketing value shimano had riders hit derailleurs off rocks. More real world scenarios. When I did this with XO transmission the p-knuckle spring bent. Replacement of pknuckle and cage was $230 with an XX unit being the only one I could find at the time. X0 replacement not available and had a 3 month lead time.
This GX AXS RD has no clutch? GX Eagle AXS Derailleur | RD-GX-1E-A1 | SRAM
Doesn’t sram have the same overload protection, in case you hit something it recoils in then shifts back?
I know GX AXS has it, and it works well in my experience.
thanks push for the hope in a new lineup
I'm at Leogang this weekend and wanted to get a sense of how widely pedal kickback devices have been adopted by World Cuppers, along with all the other wild accessories like TMD's/shakeweights, electronics, gearboxes, and more. So out of curiosity and as a service to my fellow nerds, I stood at the top of Q1 today and counted all the devices I could. Note that certain devices were almost certainly undercounted, like shakeweights, added mass, and fancy chainring devices like Ochain or Rimpact (drivetrains were facing away from me in the starting lineup). There were 20 bikes total where I didn’t get a look at their chainring at all
More shakeweights than I expected
Pretty significant spread of pedal kickback devices. At least 39 of the 116 bikes I observed had some sort of visible pedal kickback device, like Ochain, Rimpact, or the Sidekick hub, and many of those bikes also had STFU.
I only saw one person with a front and rear shakeweight.
Pros really don't like it when you look at their bike and then write down notes on a yellow legal pad.
nah, that's the tally of how many people told you to STFU Robot lol
Good work, thats actually interesting.
The reporting we need.
Real interesting seeing how XTR has been deployed to WCDH riders. Hemstreet, one of the top female riders, on old news. Goldstone on newest bling.
Makes me think that DH really isn't the brand's focus and a Saint update will probably be awhile. I feel like if they wanted us to believe that Saint was being phased out they'd push XTR hard as the "do it all" groupset. Is it possible that their wanting to use XTR in WCDH as more of testbed for Saint improvements?
Doing the work!
So interesting, thanks for the data.
I was convinced to try Ochain after your awesome review of it, and it improves my ride quality, so I can see why the pros won't some of the special sauce, anything that helps.
I’m up in the ochain gang too. OO and some of the other mob were on ochain but are not this year. Pretty sure I read on here about a dt Swiss sidekick style hub so maybe he’s on that. Can anyone confirm the dt system or was I just tripping?
Forever ago DT had a handlebar lever that pulled the two ratcheting rings apart, disengaging the hub. Troy was running it on his sender iirc
A few racers are using this one:
https://www.williamsracingproducts.com/shop/p/zero-drag-dt-swiss-internals
I’m waiting for deore d2. My deore derailleur has got some pretty heavy miles on it and is a bit clunkier than it used to be. I’m hoping the price is right! Combine it with a cheaper wire less dropper. Refinish my headtube for a super clean look.
must have been me who spilled the beans. yes, DT is working on a sidekick style hub as i have been informed, but looking at how expensive that e13 sidekick hub is i think o-chain might be the better and service-friendlier option (no new wheel to lace up).
O-chain is certainly the trail-friendly choice with the option of external control over the float.
Do you have a feel of which bikes ran ochains & co and which didn't? I.e. were there teams where some riders did run it and some didn't or were there more situations where a certain bike was equipped with it across the whole team (or teams) while there were bikes that did not have it?
Also def a few people riding the hidden the hidden shakeweights / rimpact tmd - at least Troy, Craik, and Breeden that i know of
Weird shock I haven’t seen before on YT junior William Pugh’s bike (I think?), spotted at the top of qualifying yesterday and then in the pits today. When I asked about it at the pits they said they couldn’t talk about it. Looks like they borrowed the dials from a microscope or maybe a hunting scope.
Are there any infos on what Martin Maes is running for pedals?
Other random bits and bobs from yesterday:
1. Danny Hart-esque custom hub end cap to deal with brake/wheel/frame flex on an unknown to me Canyon junior men’s bike.
2. Close ups of Jordan Williams brakes on his ebike as he and Loic were track scouting dueing Q2. Probably nothing new to see here, but prove me wrong. I didn’t peel the tape off the lever but I did think about it.
3. The craziest cassette you’ll ever see on Benoit Colanges’ bike. Also, the whole Scott team is on Rimpact chain dampers, which was interesting.
Ordered myself a STFU for my trail bike. Because World Cup.
That Williams hub silencer looks cool.
I thought that shock had popped up in this thread but maybe it was Pinkbike. The speculation (note that it's only speculation) was Bilstein.
Agreed, it’s super hard to tell what you can’t see with mass dampers. Saw lots of number plates with a big vertical fold/bulge in the middle, so I couldn’t actually spot a TMD but it looked like it would be there. I didn’t include those as a TMD bike in my final count.
Similarly, added mass is almost impossible to tell from your eyeballs on an Orbea or Scott. I remember a few years back Brendan was stuffing lead weights in his crank spindles. Hard to see that with your eyeballs.
As mentioned by someone else, same with the new DT hub internals from WRP. Saw a lot of DT hubs yesterday, but who knows what’s in them?
I didn’t see any particular pattern in who was running PK devices, like low pivot or high pivot. I was surprised that none of the Giant Factory riders had one, because I think of Maestro/DW Link bikes as traditionally having higher AS levels. Wondering if that was a choice by the riders, but because zero of them had it, I wonder if the higher ups at Giant or Shimano told the riders no, or if they just can’t because they are on the old Saint crank. I did see a rider with XT cranks on their DH race bike specifically so they could mount a PK device, which was interesting.
CG > Today’s commentary clownshow
production privee teasing something new on their instagram
currently they're only listing the shan 5, which uses a different layout, on their website
Next time add a clipboard and a safety vest to look official and you'll hardly get a second look.
I thought I saw on here that the DT sidekick internals will be able to be swapped into current hubs like the WRP ones.