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MrDuck
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5/26/2025 4:01am
New mud guard apparatus for AON racing. I was thinking, could the mud affect a gate more than a chain if it gets thrown on it...

New mud guard apparatus for AON racing. I was thinking, could the mud affect a gate more than a chain if it gets thrown on it? (What the guard here seems to be for) A chainring tooth would fairly easy push any mud through the chain link gap, do gates do equally or less efficiently? 

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Jakub_G wrote:

There are no gaps in the belt, and I could see if mud is bad enough it could cause belt skipping or even. dropping.

The design of the cogs and track in the center actually clears mud pretty well.

There's different mud in different places, but the sea to sky mud seems to be much better handled by the belt than a chain. So much that it's getting annoying waiting for my mates with crude bikes when it's wet out and their derailleurs are caked in mud Smile

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5/26/2025 4:52am
Evil96 wrote:

Source?

Shimano oil is not the thinnest but pretty thin, out of mineral oils juicy lubes was the lowest viscosity I found and with very high boiling point too, Danico biotech brake fluid as replacement is close and more eco friendly, easy to get etc. putoline/red line like water are thinner still  (and not meant to be used in brakes in the first place ) so hardly a fair comparison.

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5/26/2025 4:54am
Evil96 wrote:

Source?

Myself:- I have a litre bottle of the current shimano fluid and a small bottle of royal blood, they're notably different viscousities when you compare them, but neither are as thin as DOT. If the new shimano fluid is even close to DOT, they're probably on to a winner.

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5/26/2025 11:14am
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Maybe like 3-5 discussion, These are expected to be the new 9220 XTR Brake that should be released around june 5th with the new XTR Di2...

Maybe like 3-5 discussion, These are expected to be the new 9220 XTR Brake that should be released around june 5th with the new XTR Di2 wireless groupset. Similar design XT M8220 brakeset are rumored to be launched shortly after the XTR M9220. 

So far no info/rumors if SLX or Deore might have similar levers update at a later date.

pinkrobe wrote:
The 8200 brakes [2-piston] are already up for sale on AliExpress. Having the reach adjust inside the lever instead of out front is interesting. I...

The 8200 brakes [2-piston] are already up for sale on AliExpress. Having the reach adjust inside the lever instead of out front is interesting. I don't see a bite point adjust, but the picture isn't great. Hopefully they're reverse-compatible with current offerings. 

Kusa wrote:
I would say the bite point adjustment is visible here at the bottom. I still can't wrap my head around that thick area where the hose...

I would say the bite point adjustment is visible here at the bottom. I still can't wrap my head around that thick area where the hose connects. It looks just ridiculous, and I'm really curious about the reasoning behind it. Also, what is LV Oil?

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Not too familiar with the calipers, but from far they're not too different to the current ones? At least not as big a change as with the levers?
Anyway, I spotted an interesting detail. Does anyone have a clue what the round thingy (blue circle) on the mount could be? Something similar to the crosshair feature on other brakes?

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5/26/2025 1:03pm
sspomer wrote:
have never seen this before - enormeus - https://dhsign.it/en/

have never seen this before - enormeus - https://dhsign.it/en/

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TimBud wrote:

Another one from the mad Italians

The EVO25 is not just a bike, it is an EVOLUTION. It’s the embodiment of 25 YEARS of passion, dedication, and relentless pursuit of perfection and performance—shaped by the toughest RACING tracks.”

Michele Pedroni

Yeah but it's still freaking ugly

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5/26/2025 2:01pm
sethimus wrote:

https://www.gocycle.de/a.php/shop/gocycle/lang/de/a/69561/kw/29-Fox-Inverted-Podium-Fatory-Upside-Down-Federgabel-170-mm-58HT-tapered/

2399eur for the fox usd fork (that's WITH taxes for the uneducated) quite expensive if thats the real price

kperras wrote:

That website looks like it's from 1996, and screams scam to me.

Podium „Fatory“ and the product picture being Asa’s bike with the RAD and prototype stickers on it


lol

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5/26/2025 2:55pm
sethimus wrote:

https://www.gocycle.de/a.php/shop/gocycle/lang/de/a/69561/kw/29-Fox-Inverted-Podium-Fatory-Upside-Down-Federgabel-170-mm-58HT-tapered/

2399eur for the fox usd fork (that's WITH taxes for the uneducated) quite expensive if thats the real price

kperras wrote:

That website looks like it's from 1996, and screams scam to me.

Website does look from 1996 yes, but afaik they're pretty legit. 

I am sure they posted the fork early by mistake. But we'll probably see bigger sites and reviewers post about this fork in the near future. 

They have an instagram page as well, followed by both bikeyoke and ibis - If that makes any difference for you: https://www.instagram.com/gocycle.de/

5/26/2025 3:11pm

The website is not the prettiest, but the shop and the support are great

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5/26/2025 5:20pm

Who is the enhancer?

 

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Carraig042 wrote:
Who is the enhancer?   

Who is the enhancer?

 

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I tried the same tricks earlier today I used with the other pic of this shock, but I cant get the same results, so didnt bother posting it. They probably noticed people could edit the colors, so they made changes to their editing to prevent it. 

Quite common when companies release pics like these the first time around, people can figure out what it is by changing some sliders in a photo editing software. Then the next tease they do its almost always "fixed". Maybe someone else who's better than me can lighten the pic up to see what it is.

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5/26/2025 7:50pm

bro, I'm no detective. But I'm pretty sure it's an EXT coil shock

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5/26/2025 8:39pm

New Mallet DH?  
IMG 2165

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Primoz
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5/26/2025 9:43pm
Evil96 wrote:

Source?

Myself:- I have a litre bottle of the current shimano fluid and a small bottle of royal blood, they're notably different viscousities when you compare them...

Myself:- I have a litre bottle of the current shimano fluid and a small bottle of royal blood, they're notably different viscousities when you compare them, but neither are as thin as DOT. If the new shimano fluid is even close to DOT, they're probably on to a winner.

Sounds like a lot of work to replace DOT then try to get close to DOT instead of just using DOT...

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This little tire plug setup looks pretty damn rad!!  Not bad for a kid that has only been out of high school for a year!! https://www.instagram.com/reel/C-k7COvRC2z/?igsh=NHRrM2p4bnd2Y3Jn

Been thinking about a 3D printed version of this for the past few weeks now and the solution with cuttable gromets is really, really good and adjustable. Probably a lot better than using an O-ring Smile

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5/26/2025 9:49pm Edited Date/Time 5/26/2025 9:52pm

I have had mine for a month or two now and from what I heard he tried a few versions and his setup with the custom cut grommets is pretty impressive!  Fits right into my Message and isn’t going anywhere unless I pull it out to use it.  He done good!!😂. And help the guy out!!  Don’t steal IP please. 🙏

5/27/2025 5:48am
Evil96 wrote:

Source?

Myself:- I have a litre bottle of the current shimano fluid and a small bottle of royal blood, they're notably different viscousities when you compare them...

Myself:- I have a litre bottle of the current shimano fluid and a small bottle of royal blood, they're notably different viscousities when you compare them, but neither are as thin as DOT. If the new shimano fluid is even close to DOT, they're probably on to a winner.

Primoz wrote:

Sounds like a lot of work to replace DOT then try to get close to DOT instead of just using DOT...

Many companies are trying to get away from DOT and other chemicals due to EU regulations. I believe that is one of the factors in SRAM switching to mineral oil. 

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5/27/2025 5:51am

With the new x2 and EXT shocks changing shape, is it time to start discussing shocks becoming crab too? Vertical reservoirs are on the way out now, with Ohlins being early adopters of horizontal reservoirs.

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5/27/2025 7:46am
iceman2058 wrote:
With the new x2 and EXT shocks changing shape, is it time to start discussing shocks becoming crab too? Vertical reservoirs are on the way out...

With the new x2 and EXT shocks changing shape, is it time to start discussing shocks becoming crab too? Vertical reservoirs are on the way out now, with Ohlins being early adopters of horizontal reservoirs.

I had assumed that it was easier to package the twin tube base valve / adjusters that way, but with the DVO shocks and new Fox Float/DH X2s going sideways I'd guess it's just a packaging / frame fitment decision.

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5/27/2025 8:00am

Apologies if I missed this discussion, but I’m very curious to know what smarter people than me think about the Rallon’s low anti-squat. As someone who has been planning to get a new enduro bike and DH bike over the next 12 months, I find this bike very appealing. However, I love big backcountry days on the enduro bike, and I’m worried this bike won’t be particularly good for that without an electronic shock to compensate for the anti-squat. Anyone else having similar thoughts?

On a related note, good on Orbea for not glossing over this compromise and formally addressing it.  

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5/27/2025 8:12am
hd4rider wrote:
Apologies if I missed this discussion, but I’m very curious to know what smarter people than me think about the Rallon’s low anti-squat. As someone who...

Apologies if I missed this discussion, but I’m very curious to know what smarter people than me think about the Rallon’s low anti-squat. As someone who has been planning to get a new enduro bike and DH bike over the next 12 months, I find this bike very appealing. However, I love big backcountry days on the enduro bike, and I’m worried this bike won’t be particularly good for that without an electronic shock to compensate for the anti-squat. Anyone else having similar thoughts?

On a related note, good on Orbea for not glossing over this compromise and formally addressing it.  

I believe the pinkbike reviewer said he was pleasantly surprised by how well it pedalled despite the numbers, and that it didn't necessarily need the electronics on the shock to work. I'm sure a regular pedal/climb switch would deal with it rather well.

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5/27/2025 8:33am
hd4rider wrote:
Apologies if I missed this discussion, but I’m very curious to know what smarter people than me think about the Rallon’s low anti-squat. As someone who...

Apologies if I missed this discussion, but I’m very curious to know what smarter people than me think about the Rallon’s low anti-squat. As someone who has been planning to get a new enduro bike and DH bike over the next 12 months, I find this bike very appealing. However, I love big backcountry days on the enduro bike, and I’m worried this bike won’t be particularly good for that without an electronic shock to compensate for the anti-squat. Anyone else having similar thoughts?

On a related note, good on Orbea for not glossing over this compromise and formally addressing it.  

Ya, around 2021 super high antisquat was all the rage, esp. with things like O-Chain, now it looks like low antisquat is back in style. 

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5/27/2025 9:15am Edited Date/Time 6/2/2025 5:45pm

edit because of time zones: June 5th in Japan = June 4th in USA

Shimano just publicly announced that they're opening the kimono on Jun 5th.

 

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5/27/2025 9:40am
hd4rider wrote:
Apologies if I missed this discussion, but I’m very curious to know what smarter people than me think about the Rallon’s low anti-squat. As someone who...

Apologies if I missed this discussion, but I’m very curious to know what smarter people than me think about the Rallon’s low anti-squat. As someone who has been planning to get a new enduro bike and DH bike over the next 12 months, I find this bike very appealing. However, I love big backcountry days on the enduro bike, and I’m worried this bike won’t be particularly good for that without an electronic shock to compensate for the anti-squat. Anyone else having similar thoughts?

On a related note, good on Orbea for not glossing over this compromise and formally addressing it.  

Sounds like a great trend. Pedal circles and don’t mash your pedals, use a lock out, or go with Neo. No need to sacrifice suspension performance on a long travel bike. 

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5/27/2025 9:42am

We had a request for clarification pop up on the post, here's the answer from Öhlins with some more details around the changes being discussed in the press release above: 

The new surface treatment has reduced friction, and the compression damping base tune has been backed off a little. As a result, the fork feels softer. To compensate, the spring curve has been made a little bit more progressive, through the addition of spacers in the ramp-up chamber (yes, it's still the same, 3-chambner design). The "booster" they mention is some kind of insert or spacer that reduces the volume in the lower leg on the damper side, meaning they are using the lowers as part of the total spring system as well. Additionally, in the RXF38 m.3 they have removed both spacers from the negative spring (they are both included in the box), while the DH38 m.2 still has one spacer installed from factory in the negative spring.

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iceman2058 wrote:
We had a request for clarification pop up on the post, here's the answer from Öhlins with some more details around the changes being discussed in...

We had a request for clarification pop up on the post, here's the answer from Öhlins with some more details around the changes being discussed in the press release above: 

The new surface treatment has reduced friction, and the compression damping base tune has been backed off a little. As a result, the fork feels softer. To compensate, the spring curve has been made a little bit more progressive, through the addition of spacers in the ramp-up chamber (yes, it's still the same, 3-chambner design). The "booster" they mention is some kind of insert or spacer that reduces the volume in the lower leg on the damper side, meaning they are using the lowers as part of the total spring system as well. Additionally, in the RXF38 m.3 they have removed both spacers from the negative spring (they are both included in the box), while the DH38 m.2 still has one spacer installed from factory in the negative spring.

Love how quickly you get that info filled in. Nice work!

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5/27/2025 10:15am
iceman2058 wrote:
We had a request for clarification pop up on the post, here's the answer from Öhlins with some more details around the changes being discussed in...

We had a request for clarification pop up on the post, here's the answer from Öhlins with some more details around the changes being discussed in the press release above: 

The new surface treatment has reduced friction, and the compression damping base tune has been backed off a little. As a result, the fork feels softer. To compensate, the spring curve has been made a little bit more progressive, through the addition of spacers in the ramp-up chamber (yes, it's still the same, 3-chambner design). The "booster" they mention is some kind of insert or spacer that reduces the volume in the lower leg on the damper side, meaning they are using the lowers as part of the total spring system as well. Additionally, in the RXF38 m.3 they have removed both spacers from the negative spring (they are both included in the box), while the DH38 m.2 still has one spacer installed from factory in the negative spring.

MrDuck wrote:

Love how quickly you get that info filled in. Nice work!

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