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5/25/2025 12:23pm
vinny4130 wrote:
Did i miss a discussion about this Shimano lever design?

Did i miss a discussion about this Shimano lever design? Screenshot 2025-05-25 at 10.16.15%E2%80%AFAM

1llumA wrote:
Maybe like 3-5 discussion, These are expected to be the new 9220 XTR Brake that should be released around june 5th with the new XTR Di2...

Maybe like 3-5 discussion, These are expected to be the new 9220 XTR Brake that should be released around june 5th with the new XTR Di2 wireless groupset. Similar design XT M8220 brakeset are rumored to be launched shortly after the XTR M9220. 

So far no info/rumors if SLX or Deore might have similar levers update at a later date.

The 8200 brakes [2-piston] are already up for sale on AliExpress. Having the reach adjust inside the lever instead of out front is interesting. I don't see a bite point adjust, but the picture isn't great. Hopefully they're reverse-compatible with current offerings. 

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New mud guard apparatus for AON racing. I was thinking, could the mud affect a gate more than a chain if it gets thrown on it...

New mud guard apparatus for AON racing. I was thinking, could the mud affect a gate more than a chain if it gets thrown on it? (What the guard here seems to be for) A chainring tooth would fairly easy push any mud through the chain link gap, do gates do equally or less efficiently? 

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There are no gaps in the belt, and I could see if mud is bad enough it could cause belt skipping or even. dropping.

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5/25/2025 1:38pm
New mud guard apparatus for AON racing. I was thinking, could the mud affect a gate more than a chain if it gets thrown on it...

New mud guard apparatus for AON racing. I was thinking, could the mud affect a gate more than a chain if it gets thrown on it? (What the guard here seems to be for) A chainring tooth would fairly easy push any mud through the chain link gap, do gates do equally or less efficiently? 

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Jakub_G wrote:

There are no gaps in the belt, and I could see if mud is bad enough it could cause belt skipping or even. dropping.

Maybe they need to add some relief grooves or holes on the cog to help clear the mud...

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5/25/2025 2:16pm Edited Date/Time 5/25/2025 3:21pm
vinny4130 wrote:
Did i miss a discussion about this Shimano lever design?

Did i miss a discussion about this Shimano lever design? Screenshot 2025-05-25 at 10.16.15%E2%80%AFAM

They are the new XT/XTR's
 

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5/25/2025 2:35pm
vinny4130 wrote:
Did i miss a discussion about this Shimano lever design?

Did i miss a discussion about this Shimano lever design? Screenshot 2025-05-25 at 10.16.15%E2%80%AFAM

1llumA wrote:
Maybe like 3-5 discussion, These are expected to be the new 9220 XTR Brake that should be released around june 5th with the new XTR Di2...

Maybe like 3-5 discussion, These are expected to be the new 9220 XTR Brake that should be released around june 5th with the new XTR Di2 wireless groupset. Similar design XT M8220 brakeset are rumored to be launched shortly after the XTR M9220. 

So far no info/rumors if SLX or Deore might have similar levers update at a later date.

I think someone mentioned earlier that there will be no SLX for the new Shimano stuff. Sad if true. 

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5/25/2025 2:36pm
Etney wrote:
They are the new XT/XTR's 

They are the new XT/XTR's
 

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more power for anyone over 200lbs + some proper bigger rotors, in width and overal size(yes they make a 220 rt66 but its rubbish)

Looks like a bigger rotor gap so hopefully.

Hopefully gone to stainless pistons with an insert so they stay cleaner and dont go all rough with brake dust when your really hard on them, their current seal + piston grip is great an allows them to get alot of retraction(wish more brands were able to get quicker and bigger retraction, assuming they can maintain feel)

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vinny4130 wrote:
Did i miss a discussion about this Shimano lever design?

Did i miss a discussion about this Shimano lever design? Screenshot 2025-05-25 at 10.16.15%E2%80%AFAM

1llumA wrote:
Maybe like 3-5 discussion, These are expected to be the new 9220 XTR Brake that should be released around june 5th with the new XTR Di2...

Maybe like 3-5 discussion, These are expected to be the new 9220 XTR Brake that should be released around june 5th with the new XTR Di2 wireless groupset. Similar design XT M8220 brakeset are rumored to be launched shortly after the XTR M9220. 

So far no info/rumors if SLX or Deore might have similar levers update at a later date.

pinkrobe wrote:
The 8200 brakes [2-piston] are already up for sale on AliExpress. Having the reach adjust inside the lever instead of out front is interesting. I...

The 8200 brakes [2-piston] are already up for sale on AliExpress. Having the reach adjust inside the lever instead of out front is interesting. I don't see a bite point adjust, but the picture isn't great. Hopefully they're reverse-compatible with current offerings. 

I would say the bite point adjustment is visible here at the bottom. I still can't wrap my head around that thick area where the hose connects. It looks just ridiculous, and I'm really curious about the reasoning behind it. Also, what is LV Oil?

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They're just copying srams retarded decision to tuck the hoses up against the bars as though we're all roadies that are going to integrate them into our bars and headsets. I thought we'd effectively communicated to manufacturers that we didn't want that shit but Shimano is late to the party and has misread their customers once again.

So now we get more cable rub and noise from both the major brands, unless you're a weirdo who buys Scott I guess. Gives everyone else a little more motivation to explore other options.

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5/25/2025 6:40pm
Kusa wrote:
I would say the bite point adjustment is visible here at the bottom. I still can't wrap my head around that thick area where the hose...

I would say the bite point adjustment is visible here at the bottom. I still can't wrap my head around that thick area where the hose connects. It looks just ridiculous, and I'm really curious about the reasoning behind it. Also, what is LV Oil?

Low viscosity?

Finally some better oil from shimano that doesn’t require bleeding every other week?

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5/25/2025 6:43pm
AgrAde wrote:
They're just copying srams retarded decision to tuck the hoses up against the bars as though we're all roadies that are going to integrate them into...

They're just copying srams retarded decision to tuck the hoses up against the bars as though we're all roadies that are going to integrate them into our bars and headsets. I thought we'd effectively communicated to manufacturers that we didn't want that shit but Shimano is late to the party and has misread their customers once again.

So now we get more cable rub and noise from both the major brands, unless you're a weirdo who buys Scott I guess. Gives everyone else a little more motivation to explore other options.

Great excuse to ride proper brakes, maven excluded you’re not missing out from either brand 

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Well Shimano levers needed an upgrade, I had long stopped using them. A recent Shagura build pair, made it obvious most of the Shimano problems were from the levers.

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5/25/2025 9:59pm
1llumA wrote:
Maybe like 3-5 discussion, These are expected to be the new 9220 XTR Brake that should be released around june 5th with the new XTR Di2...

Maybe like 3-5 discussion, These are expected to be the new 9220 XTR Brake that should be released around june 5th with the new XTR Di2 wireless groupset. Similar design XT M8220 brakeset are rumored to be launched shortly after the XTR M9220. 

So far no info/rumors if SLX or Deore might have similar levers update at a later date.

pinkrobe wrote:
The 8200 brakes [2-piston] are already up for sale on AliExpress. Having the reach adjust inside the lever instead of out front is interesting. I...

The 8200 brakes [2-piston] are already up for sale on AliExpress. Having the reach adjust inside the lever instead of out front is interesting. I don't see a bite point adjust, but the picture isn't great. Hopefully they're reverse-compatible with current offerings. 

Kusa wrote:
I would say the bite point adjustment is visible here at the bottom. I still can't wrap my head around that thick area where the hose...

I would say the bite point adjustment is visible here at the bottom. I still can't wrap my head around that thick area where the hose connects. It looks just ridiculous, and I'm really curious about the reasoning behind it. Also, what is LV Oil?

LV oil might bei Low viscosity oil like Putoline, to avoid the current problems 

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5/25/2025 10:45pm
pinkrobe wrote:
The 8200 brakes [2-piston] are already up for sale on AliExpress. Having the reach adjust inside the lever instead of out front is interesting. I...

The 8200 brakes [2-piston] are already up for sale on AliExpress. Having the reach adjust inside the lever instead of out front is interesting. I don't see a bite point adjust, but the picture isn't great. Hopefully they're reverse-compatible with current offerings. 

Kusa wrote:
I would say the bite point adjustment is visible here at the bottom. I still can't wrap my head around that thick area where the hose...

I would say the bite point adjustment is visible here at the bottom. I still can't wrap my head around that thick area where the hose connects. It looks just ridiculous, and I'm really curious about the reasoning behind it. Also, what is LV Oil?

b.ay wrote:

LV oil might bei Low viscosity oil like Putoline, to avoid the current problems 

Let’s also hope they figure out caliper seals so you don’t get wet pads out of the box 8/10 XTs lately have been a warranty job before even installing them 

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5/26/2025 1:55am
b.ay wrote:

LV oil might bei Low viscosity oil like Putoline, to avoid the current problems 

Shimano oil is already way lower than Magura Royal blood and that green stuff OEMs use sometimes. Are they really going thinner?

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5/26/2025 2:47am
b.ay wrote:

LV oil might bei Low viscosity oil like Putoline, to avoid the current problems 

Shimano oil is already way lower than Magura Royal blood and that green stuff OEMs use sometimes. Are they really going thinner?

Source?

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5/26/2025 4:01am
New mud guard apparatus for AON racing. I was thinking, could the mud affect a gate more than a chain if it gets thrown on it...

New mud guard apparatus for AON racing. I was thinking, could the mud affect a gate more than a chain if it gets thrown on it? (What the guard here seems to be for) A chainring tooth would fairly easy push any mud through the chain link gap, do gates do equally or less efficiently? 

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Jakub_G wrote:

There are no gaps in the belt, and I could see if mud is bad enough it could cause belt skipping or even. dropping.

The design of the cogs and track in the center actually clears mud pretty well.

There's different mud in different places, but the sea to sky mud seems to be much better handled by the belt than a chain. So much that it's getting annoying waiting for my mates with crude bikes when it's wet out and their derailleurs are caked in mud Smile

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5/26/2025 4:52am
Evil96 wrote:

Source?

Shimano oil is not the thinnest but pretty thin, out of mineral oils juicy lubes was the lowest viscosity I found and with very high boiling point too, Danico biotech brake fluid as replacement is close and more eco friendly, easy to get etc. putoline/red line like water are thinner still  (and not meant to be used in brakes in the first place ) so hardly a fair comparison.

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5/26/2025 4:54am
Evil96 wrote:

Source?

Myself:- I have a litre bottle of the current shimano fluid and a small bottle of royal blood, they're notably different viscousities when you compare them, but neither are as thin as DOT. If the new shimano fluid is even close to DOT, they're probably on to a winner.

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5/26/2025 11:14am
1llumA wrote:
Maybe like 3-5 discussion, These are expected to be the new 9220 XTR Brake that should be released around june 5th with the new XTR Di2...

Maybe like 3-5 discussion, These are expected to be the new 9220 XTR Brake that should be released around june 5th with the new XTR Di2 wireless groupset. Similar design XT M8220 brakeset are rumored to be launched shortly after the XTR M9220. 

So far no info/rumors if SLX or Deore might have similar levers update at a later date.

pinkrobe wrote:
The 8200 brakes [2-piston] are already up for sale on AliExpress. Having the reach adjust inside the lever instead of out front is interesting. I...

The 8200 brakes [2-piston] are already up for sale on AliExpress. Having the reach adjust inside the lever instead of out front is interesting. I don't see a bite point adjust, but the picture isn't great. Hopefully they're reverse-compatible with current offerings. 

Kusa wrote:
I would say the bite point adjustment is visible here at the bottom. I still can't wrap my head around that thick area where the hose...

I would say the bite point adjustment is visible here at the bottom. I still can't wrap my head around that thick area where the hose connects. It looks just ridiculous, and I'm really curious about the reasoning behind it. Also, what is LV Oil?

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Not too familiar with the calipers, but from far they're not too different to the current ones? At least not as big a change as with the levers?
Anyway, I spotted an interesting detail. Does anyone have a clue what the round thingy (blue circle) on the mount could be? Something similar to the crosshair feature on other brakes?

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5/26/2025 1:03pm
sspomer wrote:
have never seen this before - enormeus - https://dhsign.it/en/

have never seen this before - enormeus - https://dhsign.it/en/

https://dhsign.it/700-large_default/enormeus-pre-ordine.jpg

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TimBud wrote:

Another one from the mad Italians

The EVO25 is not just a bike, it is an EVOLUTION. It’s the embodiment of 25 YEARS of passion, dedication, and relentless pursuit of perfection and performance—shaped by the toughest RACING tracks.”

Michele Pedroni

Yeah but it's still freaking ugly

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sethimus wrote:

https://www.gocycle.de/a.php/shop/gocycle/lang/de/a/69561/kw/29-Fox-Inverted-Podium-Fatory-Upside-Down-Federgabel-170-mm-58HT-tapered/

2399eur for the fox usd fork (that's WITH taxes for the uneducated) quite expensive if thats the real price

kperras wrote:

That website looks like it's from 1996, and screams scam to me.

Podium „Fatory“ and the product picture being Asa’s bike with the RAD and prototype stickers on it


lol

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sethimus wrote:

https://www.gocycle.de/a.php/shop/gocycle/lang/de/a/69561/kw/29-Fox-Inverted-Podium-Fatory-Upside-Down-Federgabel-170-mm-58HT-tapered/

2399eur for the fox usd fork (that's WITH taxes for the uneducated) quite expensive if thats the real price

kperras wrote:

That website looks like it's from 1996, and screams scam to me.

Website does look from 1996 yes, but afaik they're pretty legit. 

I am sure they posted the fork early by mistake. But we'll probably see bigger sites and reviewers post about this fork in the near future. 

They have an instagram page as well, followed by both bikeyoke and ibis - If that makes any difference for you: https://www.instagram.com/gocycle.de/

5/26/2025 3:11pm

The website is not the prettiest, but the shop and the support are great

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Who is the enhancer?

 

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Carraig042 wrote:
Who is the enhancer?   

Who is the enhancer?

 

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I tried the same tricks earlier today I used with the other pic of this shock, but I cant get the same results, so didnt bother posting it. They probably noticed people could edit the colors, so they made changes to their editing to prevent it. 

Quite common when companies release pics like these the first time around, people can figure out what it is by changing some sliders in a photo editing software. Then the next tease they do its almost always "fixed". Maybe someone else who's better than me can lighten the pic up to see what it is.

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5/26/2025 7:50pm

bro, I'm no detective. But I'm pretty sure it's an EXT coil shock

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New Mallet DH?  
IMG 2165

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