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5/13/2025 9:40am Edited Date/Time 5/13/2025 9:40am

So it's just a cover on the chain from the cranks to the upper chainring not a gearbox. Probably to keep dirt out because it's so exposed and act as a chain guide. Also good e-bike development for motor and suspension. 

sram cranks are interesting. so it's either the SRAM DUB mount or new Bosch style ISIS mount and that's what is available. or its a new sram dh 7 speed rear. 

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5/13/2025 9:43am

This is what I believe is going on….


2 blue chainrings/sprockets and the red section of chain is concealed inside the “box”.   I wonder if it doesn’t infringe on the DW patent because the 2 gears aren’t vertically oriented from each other. 

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5/13/2025 9:48am
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What even is the deal with evil bikes these days? I saw some talk of them going tits up but they seem to have not, but...
What even is the deal with evil bikes these days? I saw some talk of them going tits up but they seem to have not, but it’s been pretty radio silent from them regarding anything new for a while now…
I’ve heard they are alive and active. I think they know they need updates and are working on them just slowly. They are doing a lot...

I’ve heard they are alive and active. I think they know they need updates and are working on them just slowly. They are doing a lot event wise and media.  Can’t wait to see what they  are doing and hopefully a longer travel free ride/ downhill bike! 

If they come out with a DH bike and don't call it the Undead they should be fired. Out of a cannon. Into the sun. 

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5/13/2025 10:06am
This is what I believe is going on….2 blue chainrings/sprockets and the red section of chain is concealed inside the “box”.   I wonder if it...

This is what I believe is going on….


2 blue chainrings/sprockets and the red section of chain is concealed inside the “box”.   I wonder if it doesn’t infringe on the DW patent because the 2 gears aren’t vertically oriented from each other. 

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I wonder if there's some kickback mechanism in there a-la ochain or sidekick. 
Not big enough for full blown gearbox but room for more stuff than just sprockets. 

Also surprised they're getting away with no upper guide on that chainring. 

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5/13/2025 10:10am
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Well, the master cylinder has a similar enough silhouette to some of the TRP's but that seems to be where the similarities end. The styling is...

Well, the master cylinder has a similar enough silhouette to some of the TRP's but that seems to be where the similarities end. The styling is unique enough when you look closely. Caliper is definitely different. Interesting bleed port placement

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Major overthinking here - but that banjo crimp fitting looks very similar to the ones used on the Hayes Dominions, not sure any others use one structured exactly like that. You have a sortof indention near the banjo end followed by horizontal lines, most others lack that indention. The lever adjuster is also similar to what Hayes uses.

May not mean much in either case, a rotary reach adjuster is hardly unique and I'm sure those fittings just come from a supplier in large quantities, but maybe worth noting.

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5/13/2025 11:23am
Jotegr wrote:

If they come out with a DH bike and don't call it the Undead they should be fired. Out of a cannon. Into the sun. 

Am I showing my age, or you showing your lack of age? 

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5/13/2025 11:42am
The seat stays and chain stays look pretty refined. Like production ready type refined🤷🏻‍♂️
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5/13/2025 12:05pm Edited Date/Time 5/13/2025 12:15pm
Jotegr wrote:

If they come out with a DH bike and don't call it the Undead they should be fired. Out of a cannon. Into the sun. 

B Rabbit wrote:
Am I showing my age, or you showing your lack of age? 

Am I showing my age, or you showing your lack of age? 

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Uh... no. That's precisely why they need to bring the name back. Sometimes companies have iconic and excellent names from years past that would totally apply to their new platform and instead call it something else. Or use the iconic name on an ebike. 

 

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5/13/2025 12:32pm
nskerb wrote:
The seat stays and chain stays look pretty refined. Like production ready type refined🤷🏻‍♂️

I’ve been saying that ever since Finn posted himself riding it on insta. No one agreed with me lol. It’s a full carbon molded rear triangle. Pretty production for sure 

 

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5/13/2025 1:14pm

Pretty underwhelmed TQ only managed to find an extra 10nm after what looks like a redesign of the HPR50. 
I was hoping they’d managed to get close to full power but without the pregnant BB areas of current e-bikes. 
Spose it doesn’t matter cause the 580 battery looks fat anyways. 

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Yoda wrote:
Oops, similar situation TQ HPR60 search and Yeti's new eeb just popped up. 

Oops, similar situation TQ HPR60 search and Yeti's new eeb just popped up. 

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It seems like TQ will release 2 motors

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5/13/2025 1:25pm
Jotegr wrote:
Uh... no. That's precisely why they need to bring the name back. Sometimes companies have iconic and excellent names from years past that would totally apply...

Uh... no. That's precisely why they need to bring the name back. Sometimes companies have iconic and excellent names from years past that would totally apply to their new platform and instead call it something else. Or use the iconic name on an ebike. 

 

Evil name their bikes in versions, Wreckoning v3, Offering V2 etc, seems pretty obvious if they offered a new DH bike it would just be called the Undead V2 🤷‍♂️

But as mentioned previously they have been very quiet lately, I doubt a DH bike is high on their priority list. 

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5/13/2025 1:29pm
nskerb wrote:
The seat stays and chain stays look pretty refined. Like production ready type refined🤷🏻‍♂️
iloveloam wrote:
I’ve been saying that ever since Finn posted himself riding it on insta. No one agreed with me lol. It’s a full carbon molded rear triangle...

I’ve been saying that ever since Finn posted himself riding it on insta. No one agreed with me lol. It’s a full carbon molded rear triangle. Pretty production for sure 

 

They’ve been doing in house carbon mold protos for a while 

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breeden goes into deets about the intense M1 gearbox DH bike

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5/13/2025 3:21pm
nskerb wrote:
The seat stays and chain stays look pretty refined. Like production ready type refined🤷🏻‍♂️

They have been using the Enduro seat stays on this and the previous iteration of the bike. Old one has sandwich hanger, new one has udh

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5/13/2025 4:16pm
Jotegr wrote:
Uh... no. That's precisely why they need to bring the name back. Sometimes companies have iconic and excellent names from years past that would totally apply...

Uh... no. That's precisely why they need to bring the name back. Sometimes companies have iconic and excellent names from years past that would totally apply to their new platform and instead call it something else. Or use the iconic name on an ebike. 

 

I dont know. Maybe people would buy the "Evil Definitely-Dead V1" downhill bike...

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5/13/2025 5:10pm
This is what I believe is going on….2 blue chainrings/sprockets and the red section of chain is concealed inside the “box”.   I wonder if it...

This is what I believe is going on….


2 blue chainrings/sprockets and the red section of chain is concealed inside the “box”.   I wonder if it doesn’t infringe on the DW patent because the 2 gears aren’t vertically oriented from each other. 

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The red is a small belt. Specialized is going after the Gates $100,000 just like the other teams, they are just being stealthy about it. 

I hope that's it just because it would be funny.

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This is what I believe is going on….2 blue chainrings/sprockets and the red section of chain is concealed inside the “box”.   I wonder if it...

This is what I believe is going on….


2 blue chainrings/sprockets and the red section of chain is concealed inside the “box”.   I wonder if it doesn’t infringe on the DW patent because the 2 gears aren’t vertically oriented from each other. 

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The red is a small belt. Specialized is going after the Gates $100,000 just like the other teams, they are just being stealthy about it. I hope...

The red is a small belt. Specialized is going after the Gates $100,000 just like the other teams, they are just being stealthy about it. 

I hope that's it just because it would be funny.

The belt would be awesome.

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5/13/2025 7:20pm
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Tube....you know like a round tube. Same as bikes were made from before molded carbon. You take a round tube and squish it a oval shape so...

Tube....you know like a round tube. Same as bikes were made from before molded carbon. 

You take a round tube and squish it a oval shape so it's optimized to the loads it's going to see. A tubular structure is better suited to the forces of a crank than an I-beam. 

See EEwings here. Drop the hirth joint, make them from steel, and use the available axle that everyone is using. Go with 8 bolt sram mount for rings so that there will be plenty of options and no special tool needed. They don't need to survive 30ft roof drops to flat like Profile cranks so can be a reasonable weight. 

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side note - CC recently updated eewings to the sram 8 bolt mount. 

dolface wrote:
Side side note: They also updated the fixing bolt to 8mm (so no more 14mm hex) BUT it's not backwards compatible.The CC CSR I talked to...

Side side note: They also updated the fixing bolt to 8mm (so no more 14mm hex) BUT it's not backwards compatible.

The CC CSR I talked to said he was on a personal mission to get them to update that to make it fit the older cranks, so give them them a call and let them know if you want that too!

Dispersed bikepacking makes a Ti 6mm to 14mm adaptor for the EEwings crank arm fixing bolt. Mine lives in my hip pack and has saved my ass twice now. 

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5/13/2025 11:55pm
Yoda wrote:
Oops, similar situation TQ HPR60 search and Yeti's new eeb just popped up. 

Oops, similar situation TQ HPR60 search and Yeti's new eeb just popped up. 

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It must be very hard to bring out new ebikes that are obsolete with the arrival of the DJI Avinoxm, all these ebikes are heavy, fat and with pregnant aesthetics. The traditional ebike industry will not start to recover at least until 2027 from this blow that DJI has given them, I see a lot of sales coming to get rid of the stock of these products.

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5/14/2025 12:37am Edited Date/Time 5/14/2025 12:44am
The red is a small belt. Specialized is going after the Gates $100,000 just like the other teams, they are just being stealthy about it. I hope...

The red is a small belt. Specialized is going after the Gates $100,000 just like the other teams, they are just being stealthy about it. 

I hope that's it just because it would be funny.

That's a hilarious take, and it would be PEAK Specialized if true - taking the gates prize on a technicality with a bike that has a chain and derailleur is up there with suing a cafe.

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I recall the same thing being suggested when the Pivot came out with two chains, pretty sure the rules say the belt needs to be driving the rear wheel. 

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We can't let facts get in the way of comedy

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Finkill wrote:
I recall the same thing being suggested when the Pivot came out with two chains, pretty sure the rules say the belt needs to be driving...

I recall the same thing being suggested when the Pivot came out with two chains, pretty sure the rules say the belt needs to be driving the rear wheel. 

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5/14/2025 1:37am
This is what I believe is going on….2 blue chainrings/sprockets and the red section of chain is concealed inside the “box”.   I wonder if it...

This is what I believe is going on….


2 blue chainrings/sprockets and the red section of chain is concealed inside the “box”.   I wonder if it doesn’t infringe on the DW patent because the 2 gears aren’t vertically oriented from each other. 

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Right on the money! With less tired eyes this morning I saw the small bolts for the cover plate. Very cool rig indeed.
Those are some very production looking stays. Gotta wonder how far they were into the production bike before coming up with this wicked concept. What's the UCI rule again for how long you have till a bike needs to be in production?

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5/14/2025 2:59am
megastoke wrote:
Dispersed bikepacking makes a Ti 6mm to 14mm adaptor for the EEwings crank arm fixing bolt. Mine lives in my hip pack and has saved my...

Dispersed bikepacking makes a Ti 6mm to 14mm adaptor for the EEwings crank arm fixing bolt. Mine lives in my hip pack and has saved my ass twice now. 

Good looking tool with a reasonable price for machined Ti with its limited market. Would have bought one if I had not made my own already.

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Finkill wrote:
I recall the same thing being suggested when the Pivot came out with two chains, pretty sure the rules say the belt needs to be driving...

I recall the same thing being suggested when the Pivot came out with two chains, pretty sure the rules say the belt needs to be driving the rear wheel. 

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I reject your reality and substitute my own. 

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5/14/2025 3:52am
It must be very hard to bring out new ebikes that are obsolete with the arrival of the DJI Avinoxm, all these ebikes are heavy, fat...

It must be very hard to bring out new ebikes that are obsolete with the arrival of the DJI Avinoxm, all these ebikes are heavy, fat and with pregnant aesthetics. The traditional ebike industry will not start to recover at least until 2027 from this blow that DJI has given them, I see a lot of sales coming to get rid of the stock of these products.

Don't be silly. The bosch motors are far from obsolete, there's a lot of integration and quality of life features that the DJI doesn't have.

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5/14/2025 4:06am
Jotegr wrote:

If they come out with a DH bike and don't call it the Undead they should be fired. Out of a cannon. Into the sun. 

😂

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5/14/2025 4:58am
Yoda wrote:
Oops, similar situation TQ HPR60 search and Yeti's new eeb just popped up. 

Oops, similar situation TQ HPR60 search and Yeti's new eeb just popped up. 

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It must be very hard to bring out new ebikes that are obsolete with the arrival of the DJI Avinoxm, all these ebikes are heavy, fat...

It must be very hard to bring out new ebikes that are obsolete with the arrival of the DJI Avinoxm, all these ebikes are heavy, fat and with pregnant aesthetics. The traditional ebike industry will not start to recover at least until 2027 from this blow that DJI has given them, I see a lot of sales coming to get rid of the stock of these products.

🤣

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