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Possibly it's the 1.8 crown forging, it's not massively different to the original one so hard to know without being able to compare. As you say, simplifying the number of crown forgings makes good sense.
600£ gets me one single prototype bolt with two threadbolcks to tighten both bolts to 55Nm for 200 times before increasing torque by 5Nm every 10 cycles until the max torque of 100Nm is reached and very sore arms have to give up.
The price is just high enough that I don't loose to much money without even including prototypes and my time. Comparing Swiss made small batch parts with shimano SLX is kind of rude but mathematically you are not wrong.
Not trying to be rude, just highlighting the cost differential and relative value proposition. The average EE Wings customer is probably okay with the cost of the bolt and it's good to know you are pricing it in a way that covers your costs and makes it viable to produce.
Personally I'm a little concerned with the trend towards bikes being more and more expensive and would love to see more effort being put into value and utility oriented product improvements rather than the high end stuff that tends to grab attention and headlines, while offering little actual innovation.
Those SLX cranks are as good as anyone would ever need and will last a long long time.
Apparently this is what people want but you can easily find very affordable stuff used or even new. I personally ride a starling and the price of 2k for a made in uk steel frame with 7 years of warranty is amazing.
If you want a cheap crankbolt for your slx, we offer one too lol
May be, just may be, I’ve already tried to search and if we don’t count Extension Bikes, who have almost all the info regarding their new enduro bike uploaded on their website, all the others don’t have websites or share no additional details in their Instagrams. Think Wissco can be found on some sort of a website, but it’s all in Chinese with no translate option, so it’s as if there’s no website. Seemed only logical to ask the people that were there physically to share something more!
Given that some prices are shared under the photos here, while there aren’t any in the websites (whoever has one anyway) makes me think Vital’s members might have some additional info - only asking them to share more! Cause, let’s face it, a high-pivot enduro frame MY2025 for less than a 1000$ brand new is a crazy bargain!
Translated, this likely means ORA doesn't want to do it and they probably can't find financial justification to work it out. I gather ORA is somewhat selective on what they do and Cane Creek isn't going to do this themselves. The typical market for eeWings probably wouldn't buy into them either and I'm not certain (but could be wrong) they could do it cheap enough over what they are already doing with titanium.
If you want something like this, my assumption would be Starling would be your best bet. They seem more likely to do stuff like this with higher emphasis on steel, but they'd similarly use ORA and probably be told the same answer. Personally I'd love it if they did.
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ORA?
ORA Engineering
https://ora-engineering.com/
Cyber Cycles in Germany does make a tubular steel crank with sram 3 bolt chainring attachment. Cheaper than EEwings but not really budget compared to RF turbine or Shimano SLX/XT crank.
https://www.cybercycles.de/en/cranks/cyber-cranks-or
sadly not limited to vital......
Good find, had not seen these before, I like that they use a 24mm spindle also.
Formula selva with new lowers (2nd pic)
https://www.instagram.com/p/DJb_jgfiPXJ/?img_index=1&igsh=MXBuMHViZmNrY3NxaA==
a little birdy told me about a new dt swiss hub/system coming probably in september working similar to the e13 sidekick hub.
should also be retrofit able to current gen dt hubs.
Any guesses on new DH bikes being at Poland? Maybe a production specialized?
In fairness, information on a lot of this stuff is weapons-grade unobtanium in the western world. Even on a forum dedicated to sharing information and building up direct to consumer Chinese bikes, which has sniffed out a number of these from various platforms prior to the trade show, real information has been extremely scarce. I don't think Weibo chats and the like are indexed in our search engines.
Hope to be retrofitted to the crappy EXP hub that I have and failed twice
i have a 240 rear hub before EXP and it still runs flawlessly, but i wouldn't count on it that older generations will be upgradeable.
Sorry, I should've been clearer. ORA does a lot of manufacturing of ti and steel in Taiwan. IIRC Cane Creek uses them to manufacturer eeWings and Starling uses them for various things like their stems and rear triangles.
It's primarily an industry trade show. Many of these bikes are samples to demonstrate a factories capabilities to the bike companies we know. The bike companies that we know might then make their designs at that factory, or use the factories in-house design/engineering capabilities. These bikes might not be for sale to the public, there might not be additional public facing information.
I had eewings — they were beautiful — but sold them and went back to SLX cranks. Kept warping my chainring for some reason. Was able to sell them for what I bought them for at the tail end of Covid, no regrets. Love SLX. Rumors Shimano they might kill it off?
Yeah it sounds that way, the new stuff will be Deore, XT and XTR only. Hopefully the Deore cranks get bumped up to the hollow forged arms for the new release. The various generations of Deore cranks have always been good, but the solid arms add some weight.
At the very least, current gravel 12 speed stuff is either XT or SLX cassette, chains and slightly modified derailleur so i don't think SLX will be completely gone in the near future.
Can we please keep it to "MTB Tech Rumors and Innovation" please
We talk about the tech and the rumors until there is new tech and rumors to talk about. I don’t understand what you haters are getting confused about. Thread derailleurs are part of the game, baby.
"It's rumored that SLX is going to be dropped next year guys"
"Please keep it to MTB Tech Rumors"
No chat and no discussion please, I prefer my social media experience to be unsociable, impersonal, and completely lacking in any perspective. This thread says its just for rumors and so only rumors should ever be posted here.
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Haven't seen the new Bonnell brought up. I wouldn't post anything about it here except, and I can't believe I am typing this, Sam Hill is riding it at a bike park in one of their new promo vids. I hope all you class 3 haters are wearing your diapers because you are about to poop yourself:
I love Sam's riding but didn't need a couple minutes in the middle of him riding down a road failing to pop manuals.
They possibly could have toned down the BWEEEEEeeeeeeeEEEEE eeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEE
You'd think "Video of Sam Hill on a Motorcycle" would be amazing, but somehow that thing made one of the greatest riders of all time look positively underwhelming.
And I have nothing against ebikes. Oh well, get your bag Sam. You earned it.