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Etney
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5/5/2025 11:35am
TimBud wrote:

Lots of Intend goodness on these pics, but these pedals caught my eye. Intend flats anyone?!…

The pedals are from Fraezen, another german brand.

Intend does have some pedals in development, similar to the OutlierMTB ones. I posted about it a few weeks back in this thread:

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5/5/2025 11:40am
Etney wrote:
The pedals are from Fraezen, another german brand.Intend does have some pedals in development, similar to the OutlierMTB ones. I posted about it a few weeks...

The pedals are from Fraezen, another german brand.

Intend does have some pedals in development, similar to the OutlierMTB ones. I posted about it a few weeks back in this thread:

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Oh nice, thanks for the clarification.

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5/5/2025 1:24pm

Wyn’s latest video shows off the Yoshimura clipless pedals quite distinctly. Certainly an interesting design.

A better view than the photos shared from the Peeb a few pages back. 

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5/5/2025 1:44pm Edited Date/Time 5/5/2025 1:45pm
mrpfp wrote:
Wyn’s latest video shows off the Yoshimura clipless pedals quite distinctly. Certainly an interesting design.A better view than the photos shared from the Peeb a few...

Wyn’s latest video shows off the Yoshimura clipless pedals quite distinctly. Certainly an interesting design.

A better view than the photos shared from the Peeb a few pages back. 

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It looks like they borrowed the guts from a Shimano pedal to make this prototype. The markings on the spring adjustment look identical to a PD-M8000

Pedal 9/16 MTB Deore XT PD-M8000 SPD - Shimano

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5/5/2025 6:58pm
TimBud wrote:

Lots of Intend goodness on these pics, but these pedals caught my eye. Intend flats anyone?!…

Etney wrote:
The pedals are from Fraezen, another german brand.Intend does have some pedals in development, similar to the OutlierMTB ones. I posted about it a few weeks...

The pedals are from Fraezen, another german brand.

Intend does have some pedals in development, similar to the OutlierMTB ones. I posted about it a few weeks back in this thread:

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Giving strong Outlier Pendulum vibes. I'd like to see more development of this idea. 

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5/5/2025 8:02pm
mrpfp wrote:
Wyn’s latest video shows off the Yoshimura clipless pedals quite distinctly. Certainly an interesting design.A better view than the photos shared from the Peeb a few...

Wyn’s latest video shows off the Yoshimura clipless pedals quite distinctly. Certainly an interesting design.

A better view than the photos shared from the Peeb a few pages back. 

IMG 1850 0.jpeg?VersionId=4m p9RWfEhxISmX

TEAMROBOT wrote:
It looks like they borrowed the guts from a Shimano pedal to make this prototype. The markings on the spring adjustment look identical to a PD-M8000

It looks like they borrowed the guts from a Shimano pedal to make this prototype. The markings on the spring adjustment look identical to a PD-M8000

Pedal 9/16 MTB Deore XT PD-M8000 SPD - Shimano

They must have hired the Lewis engineering team.

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5/5/2025 9:34pm
mrpfp wrote:
Wyn’s latest video shows off the Yoshimura clipless pedals quite distinctly. Certainly an interesting design.A better view than the photos shared from the Peeb a few...

Wyn’s latest video shows off the Yoshimura clipless pedals quite distinctly. Certainly an interesting design.

A better view than the photos shared from the Peeb a few pages back. 

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That’s 3 versions ago…

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5/5/2025 9:34pm
roost66 wrote:
Canyon teases a bike release tmrw, new sender I’m assuming. https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJRp-lWMwVX/?igsh=MXFkajJ2cXZubDNiNw==

IMG 3211Canyon teases a bike release tmrw, new sender I’m assuming. 
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJRp-lWMwVX/?igsh=MXFkajJ2cXZubDNiNw==

Newest Downtime Podcast confirms the new sender releasing later today Smile https://open.spotify.com/episode/4snct7tlnGzJc1oZg1KAS8?si=9fd34834c09a…

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5/5/2025 10:15pm
Cougar797 wrote:
I mean ive not had a bunch of fox stuff but if they do a usd enduro fork with the dual air chamber thing and can...

I mean ive not had a bunch of fox stuff but if they do a usd enduro fork with the dual air chamber thing and can stick to traditional 38 pricing i might be in for that. 

krabo83 wrote:

38 is around 1700€ msrp in europe, i bet that USD fork will be at least 2k.

Just wait for the new EXT single crown usd fork…better buy that one. Also made in Europe 😉

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5/6/2025 2:59am

What's amazing with this design is that Canyon have decided a single pivot is good enough to control the axle path, braking behaviour and pedalling behaviour but the leaverage rate requires a 6 bar linkage and all the additional complexity and hardware associated with that. 

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5/6/2025 9:24am
mrpfp wrote:
Wyn’s latest video shows off the Yoshimura clipless pedals quite distinctly. Certainly an interesting design.A better view than the photos shared from the Peeb a few...

Wyn’s latest video shows off the Yoshimura clipless pedals quite distinctly. Certainly an interesting design.

A better view than the photos shared from the Peeb a few pages back. 

IMG 1850 0.jpeg?VersionId=4m p9RWfEhxISmX

Big E wrote:

That’s 3 versions ago…

yep...

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kane wrote:
What's amazing with this design is that Canyon have decided a single pivot is good enough to control the axle path, braking behaviour and pedalling behaviour...

What's amazing with this design is that Canyon have decided a single pivot is good enough to control the axle path, braking behaviour and pedalling behaviour but the leaverage rate requires a 6 bar linkage and all the additional complexity and hardware associated with that. 

Devinci did it better with the Wilson HP proto. No 6 bar needed to get a decent LR. 

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5/6/2025 10:47am

Looks like a Lahar

Looks like a blend of lahar and Unno, sick nonetheless 

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Uncle Cliffy
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Looks like a Lahar

Wonder if it comes with pubes?

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5/6/2025 11:18am

I could be wrong, but aren't the chainstays on the new Sender a little short for a race bike? Perhaps they are trying to strike a balance between playful park bike and race machine.

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Wonder if it comes with pubes?

Rumor has it they will come with a pinch of grated parmigiano reggiano

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I could be wrong, but aren't the chainstays on the new Sender a little short for a race bike? Perhaps they are trying to strike a...

I could be wrong, but aren't the chainstays on the new Sender a little short for a race bike? Perhaps they are trying to strike a balance between playful park bike and race machine.

We’re not allowed to call them chainstays anymore . We must refer to them as (part of) the rear centre… or face forum judgement.

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5/6/2025 11:32am

I noticed some silver Crankbros wheels popping up, first in Brian Cahal's video on the new Ari Ebike, now on Commencal's Instagram. Hopefully these are releasing soon. Silver rims absolutely need to come back!

 

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5/6/2025 11:53am
Ambushell wrote:
I noticed some silver Crankbros wheels popping up, first in Brian Cahal's video on the new Ari Ebike, now on Commencal's Instagram. Hopefully these are releasing...

I noticed some silver Crankbros wheels popping up, first in Brian Cahal's video on the new Ari Ebike, now on Commencal's Instagram. Hopefully these are releasing soon. Silver rims absolutely need to come back!

 

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Heard DT will bring some too! 

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5/6/2025 12:36pm
I could be wrong, but aren't the chainstays on the new Sender a little short for a race bike? Perhaps they are trying to strike a...

I could be wrong, but aren't the chainstays on the new Sender a little short for a race bike? Perhaps they are trying to strike a balance between playful park bike and race machine.

Race bikes want short but growing on the right path.
Which is why they've specifically mentioned the at sag number. 

Short to load the front in a corner and come out with more corner exit speed and help in the tighter stuff.
but growing enough to assist in Balance for the fast rough stuff.
Go ride a trek slash gen 6, Perfect example of this.

 
 
 

  

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5/6/2025 2:17pm
I could be wrong, but aren't the chainstays on the new Sender a little short for a race bike? Perhaps they are trying to strike a...

I could be wrong, but aren't the chainstays on the new Sender a little short for a race bike? Perhaps they are trying to strike a balance between playful park bike and race machine.

It's a grower not a shower

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5/6/2025 2:45pm Edited Date/Time 5/6/2025 2:47pm
I could be wrong, but aren't the chainstays on the new Sender a little short for a race bike? Perhaps they are trying to strike a...

I could be wrong, but aren't the chainstays on the new Sender a little short for a race bike? Perhaps they are trying to strike a balance between playful park bike and race machine.

Race bikes want short but growing on the right path.Which is why they've specifically mentioned the at sag number. Short to load the front in a corner...

Race bikes want short but growing on the right path.
Which is why they've specifically mentioned the at sag number. 

Short to load the front in a corner and come out with more corner exit speed and help in the tighter stuff.
but growing enough to assist in Balance for the fast rough stuff.
Go ride a trek slash gen 6, Perfect example of this.

 
 
 

  

I'm not sure I'd agree that that is a hard and fast rule like you're saying. Either way 435 is very short no matter where in the travel.

FW for example is 460 on a L, and the v10's ranges from 450-460.

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5/6/2025 3:00pm
kane wrote:
What's amazing with this design is that Canyon have decided a single pivot is good enough to control the axle path, braking behaviour and pedalling behaviour...

What's amazing with this design is that Canyon have decided a single pivot is good enough to control the axle path, braking behaviour and pedalling behaviour but the leaverage rate requires a 6 bar linkage and all the additional complexity and hardware associated with that. 

I just don't get it. They are Horst Link on all their other bikes and previous DH bikes. The axle path difference between a Horst link or single pivot is negligible unless you have a dramatic pivot placement like Kavenz. The rocker link(s) control the compression curve, so really the only purpose of the Horst Link is for anti-rise (or in most cases for Horst links, just rise). Why is managed rise desirable on a trail bike, enduro bike, and freeride bike, but not on a DH bike? 

Its also related to those silly floating brake arms that Frameworks, Cube, and other Horst link bikes are playing around with. Why have the Horst Link at all if you're just going to put something else on the bike to manage rise? 

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5/6/2025 3:01pm Edited Date/Time 5/6/2025 3:42pm
I could be wrong, but aren't the chainstays on the new Sender a little short for a race bike? Perhaps they are trying to strike a...

I could be wrong, but aren't the chainstays on the new Sender a little short for a race bike? Perhaps they are trying to strike a balance between playful park bike and race machine.

Race bikes want short but growing on the right path.Which is why they've specifically mentioned the at sag number. Short to load the front in a corner...

Race bikes want short but growing on the right path.
Which is why they've specifically mentioned the at sag number. 

Short to load the front in a corner and come out with more corner exit speed and help in the tighter stuff.
but growing enough to assist in Balance for the fast rough stuff.
Go ride a trek slash gen 6, Perfect example of this.

 
 
 

  

I'm not sure I'd agree that that is a hard and fast rule like you're saying. Either way 435 is very short no matter where in...

I'm not sure I'd agree that that is a hard and fast rule like you're saying. Either way 435 is very short no matter where in the travel.

FW for example is 460 on a L, and the v10's ranges from 450-460.

'very short' for what exactly? Yep short for blasting through rock gardens  at mach 3. but short so it can Increase corner exit speed and help with tight stuff.
The Pro's always talk line choice in corners to exit as fast as possible.

alot of EWS riders Downsize but those guys are Strong asf, Size down on bike and hang on like F%$k over the fast stuff. few guys like eddy, matt & Jack have talked about it before.

static Rear centre plays more effect on slower stuff and generating speed, Dynamic offer ride changes at speed, such as When a rear centre grows.
Theres alot that goes into this, like where is the BB in relation to the front at what travel, How spread out are the riders feet... does the bike go siffer in middle of stroke to stabilize the length? anti squat, anti rise.... alot of stuff changes when you mess with length.

People seriously need to stop looking at the length number and understand whats going on.  

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5/6/2025 3:10pm
I just don't get it. They are Horst Link on all their other bikes and previous DH bikes. The axle path difference between a Horst link...

I just don't get it. They are Horst Link on all their other bikes and previous DH bikes. The axle path difference between a Horst link or single pivot is negligible unless you have a dramatic pivot placement like Kavenz. The rocker link(s) control the compression curve, so really the only purpose of the Horst Link is for anti-rise (or in most cases for Horst links, just rise). Why is managed rise desirable on a trail bike, enduro bike, and freeride bike, but not on a DH bike? 

Its also related to those silly floating brake arms that Frameworks, Cube, and other Horst link bikes are playing around with. Why have the Horst Link at all if you're just going to put something else on the bike to manage rise? 

image 288

What if I told you, that the position of the idler pulley dictated the pedalling characteristics? In racing development it is about marginal gains and force isolation. A good side effect of a high/mid pivot bike is that you can bake in whatever braking characteristics you want, without compromising pedalling characteristics. The linkage driven shock allows for further fettling with leverage ratios and travel etc. Being able to change leverage rate without it having knock on effects is an extremely powerful tool for riders and mechanics alike. It's also better for rider comfort when the bike stays predictable.

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5/6/2025 3:11pm
kane wrote:
What's amazing with this design is that Canyon have decided a single pivot is good enough to control the axle path, braking behaviour and pedalling behaviour...

What's amazing with this design is that Canyon have decided a single pivot is good enough to control the axle path, braking behaviour and pedalling behaviour but the leaverage rate requires a 6 bar linkage and all the additional complexity and hardware associated with that. 

I just don't get it. They are Horst Link on all their other bikes and previous DH bikes. The axle path difference between a Horst link...

I just don't get it. They are Horst Link on all their other bikes and previous DH bikes. The axle path difference between a Horst link or single pivot is negligible unless you have a dramatic pivot placement like Kavenz. The rocker link(s) control the compression curve, so really the only purpose of the Horst Link is for anti-rise (or in most cases for Horst links, just rise). Why is managed rise desirable on a trail bike, enduro bike, and freeride bike, but not on a DH bike? 

Its also related to those silly floating brake arms that Frameworks, Cube, and other Horst link bikes are playing around with. Why have the Horst Link at all if you're just going to put something else on the bike to manage rise? 

image 288

Fw was just using it to test different AR values to possibly incorporate into future designs. Look at that image as a testing rig, not a prototype 

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