Hi! This is my first post on this thread, but I have been reading for 2 years now. I talked with Sam pilgrim and a few other...
Hi! This is my first post on this thread, but I have been reading for 2 years now.
I talked with Sam pilgrim and a few other canyon guys at Tennessee Nationals, and also got to swing a leg over the Production New canyon sender. Supposedly the bike was supposed to release April 12 (that’s what Sam said, he also verified that it was the production version he was riding) so there’s a chance maybe it is releasing this month still? His bike had a baby blue color with white canyon letters. The (production?) bike also was equipped with the KIS system. looked identical to the proto. You could see Sam riding it in his Tennessee race vlog from a few weeks ago.
Take this information lightly since I have essentially no proof of this conversation with me and Sam lol, but he seems like a down to earth guy and I doubt he would just lie out of his ass. Unsure if this info has been covered or not.
I bet Canyon retained Sam to help design bikes for the DIY mechanic...
Hi! This is my first post on this thread, but I have been reading for 2 years now. I talked with Sam pilgrim and a few other...
Hi! This is my first post on this thread, but I have been reading for 2 years now.
I talked with Sam pilgrim and a few other canyon guys at Tennessee Nationals, and also got to swing a leg over the Production New canyon sender. Supposedly the bike was supposed to release April 12 (that’s what Sam said, he also verified that it was the production version he was riding) so there’s a chance maybe it is releasing this month still? His bike had a baby blue color with white canyon letters. The (production?) bike also was equipped with the KIS system. looked identical to the proto. You could see Sam riding it in his Tennessee race vlog from a few weeks ago.
Take this information lightly since I have essentially no proof of this conversation with me and Sam lol, but he seems like a down to earth guy and I doubt he would just lie out of his ass. Unsure if this info has been covered or not.
Bringing it full circle from complain-stays... What's the current/future meta in geometry? Seems like stacks are still coming up little by little while hta's have stabilized. Maybe hta's haven't stabilized, but more the resurgence of all mountain has created a space for a bike where hta's can stabilize.
What's the future of pedal bike geometry going to be like that we don't see today. I think the firebird is a good example of progressive geo but adjustability to bring it back to moderate.
Feels to me like higher stacks with the same reach numbers, +5mm longer stays from the current average and maybe a touch lower average bb (due to the higher stack and shorter cranks) are the next paths in pedal bike development.
Bringing it full circle from complain-stays... What's the current/future meta in geometry? Seems like stacks are still coming up little by little while hta's have stabilized...
Bringing it full circle from complain-stays... What's the current/future meta in geometry? Seems like stacks are still coming up little by little while hta's have stabilized. Maybe hta's haven't stabilized, but more the resurgence of all mountain has created a space for a bike where hta's can stabilize.
What's the future of pedal bike geometry going to be like that we don't see today. I think the firebird is a good example of progressive geo but adjustability to bring it back to moderate.
Feels to me like higher stacks with the same reach numbers, +5mm longer stays from the current average and maybe a touch lower average bb (due to the higher stack and shorter cranks) are the next paths in pedal bike development.
6 year old thread with relevant info. Ninjichor has a solid post in there. They aren’t getting into stack but you’re right, if you want more stack you’ll need more RC. That’s partially where a lot of us are basing our RC religion on. https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/Advanced-geometry-nerding,10381 I think a lot of us need to spend our time in a thread like that. I know geo is part of tech but we’re getting really esoteric 🧐
Bringing it full circle from complain-stays... What's the current/future meta in geometry? Seems like stacks are still coming up little by little while hta's have stabilized...
Bringing it full circle from complain-stays... What's the current/future meta in geometry? Seems like stacks are still coming up little by little while hta's have stabilized. Maybe hta's haven't stabilized, but more the resurgence of all mountain has created a space for a bike where hta's can stabilize.
What's the future of pedal bike geometry going to be like that we don't see today. I think the firebird is a good example of progressive geo but adjustability to bring it back to moderate.
Feels to me like higher stacks with the same reach numbers, +5mm longer stays from the current average and maybe a touch lower average bb (due to the higher stack and shorter cranks) are the next paths in pedal bike development.
6 year old thread with relevant info. Ninjichor has a solid post in there. They aren’t getting into stack but you’re right, if you want more...
6 year old thread with relevant info. Ninjichor has a solid post in there. They aren’t getting into stack but you’re right, if you want more stack you’ll need more RC. That’s partially where a lot of us are basing our RC religion on. https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/Advanced-geometry-nerding,10381 I think a lot of us need to spend our time in a thread like that. I know geo is part of tech but we’re getting really esoteric 🧐
Hi! This is my first post on this thread, but I have been reading for 2 years now. I talked with Sam pilgrim and a few other...
Hi! This is my first post on this thread, but I have been reading for 2 years now.
I talked with Sam pilgrim and a few other canyon guys at Tennessee Nationals, and also got to swing a leg over the Production New canyon sender. Supposedly the bike was supposed to release April 12 (that’s what Sam said, he also verified that it was the production version he was riding) so there’s a chance maybe it is releasing this month still? His bike had a baby blue color with white canyon letters. The (production?) bike also was equipped with the KIS system. looked identical to the proto. You could see Sam riding it in his Tennessee race vlog from a few weeks ago.
Take this information lightly since I have essentially no proof of this conversation with me and Sam lol, but he seems like a down to earth guy and I doubt he would just lie out of his ass. Unsure if this info has been covered or not.
Is Maxxis SuperTacky a new compound, or just one that is not used often? I see it's specced on the new Bullit front tire.
"tell me you started riding within the last 5 years without telling me you started riding within the last 5 years."
all joking aside, yes its an older compound. while a good compound, definitely not used as much anymore, as maxxis has since released better offerings.
"tell me you started riding within the last 5 years without telling me you started riding within the last 5 years."all joking aside, yes its an...
"tell me you started riding within the last 5 years without telling me you started riding within the last 5 years."
all joking aside, yes its an older compound. while a good compound, definitely not used as much anymore, as maxxis has since released better offerings.
Ahh the good old days of Slow Reezay and Super Tacky...
"tell me you started riding within the last 5 years without telling me you started riding within the last 5 years."all joking aside, yes its an...
"tell me you started riding within the last 5 years without telling me you started riding within the last 5 years."
all joking aside, yes its an older compound. while a good compound, definitely not used as much anymore, as maxxis has since released better offerings.
In my memory it was almost gooey and you could hear it peeling off rocks and flinging gravel like an angry octopus. I also remember side knobs tearing off if a berm sneezed at em and my gnarly friends could wear out a set in a few days, so there was that, too.
Would love to see those compound names resurrected though.
"tell me you started riding within the last 5 years without telling me you started riding within the last 5 years."all joking aside, yes its an...
"tell me you started riding within the last 5 years without telling me you started riding within the last 5 years."
all joking aside, yes its an older compound. while a good compound, definitely not used as much anymore, as maxxis has since released better offerings.
Super Tacky isn’t used much anymore outside of the Wetscream. Essentially it’s the stickiest compound from MaxxGrip, but only that without the firmer base and center compounds.
The latest Michelin Wild Enduro MS tyres reminded me of supertacky, sticking to the floor when the bike had been sat for a while, flinging rocks up and generally being very sticky.
Super Tacky isn’t used much anymore outside of the Wetscream. Essentially it’s the stickiest compound from MaxxGrip, but only that without the firmer base and center...
Super Tacky isn’t used much anymore outside of the Wetscream. Essentially it’s the stickiest compound from MaxxGrip, but only that without the firmer base and center compounds.
Hi! This is my first post on this thread, but I have been reading for 2 years now. I talked with Sam pilgrim and a few other...
Hi! This is my first post on this thread, but I have been reading for 2 years now.
I talked with Sam pilgrim and a few other canyon guys at Tennessee Nationals, and also got to swing a leg over the Production New canyon sender. Supposedly the bike was supposed to release April 12 (that’s what Sam said, he also verified that it was the production version he was riding) so there’s a chance maybe it is releasing this month still? His bike had a baby blue color with white canyon letters. The (production?) bike also was equipped with the KIS system. looked identical to the proto. You could see Sam riding it in his Tennessee race vlog from a few weeks ago.
Take this information lightly since I have essentially no proof of this conversation with me and Sam lol, but he seems like a down to earth guy and I doubt he would just lie out of his ass. Unsure if this info has been covered or not.
Gwin mentioned the new Sender dropping soon on Moving the Needle. Kinda sucks it got delayed but I'd rather a bike release be postponed to fix some issues than to come out and immediately be recalled
I clicked on the new SC ebike article on PB. Didn’t really read it, but one of the first lines was like “the bullit has a cult following for balancing travel with weight”
Is that actually a real thing? I fortunately don’t get cornered in a room with ebike people, but when I do, they all gush about how frickin awesome having a super heavy bike is for descending. So what is it? A good balance, or the heavier the better?? Is that just SC sending some random script over to copy and paste into the article? Idk man I’m poor and will not be buying an ebike, just seems weird.
Super Tacky isn’t used much anymore outside of the Wetscream. Essentially it’s the stickiest compound from MaxxGrip, but only that without the firmer base and center...
Super Tacky isn’t used much anymore outside of the Wetscream. Essentially it’s the stickiest compound from MaxxGrip, but only that without the firmer base and center compounds.
I clicked on the new SC ebike article on PB. Didn’t really read it, but one of the first lines was like “the bullit has a...
I clicked on the new SC ebike article on PB. Didn’t really read it, but one of the first lines was like “the bullit has a cult following for balancing travel with weight”
Is that actually a real thing? I fortunately don’t get cornered in a room with ebike people, but when I do, they all gush about how frickin awesome having a super heavy bike is for descending. So what is it? A good balance, or the heavier the better?? Is that just SC sending some random script over to copy and paste into the article? Idk man I’m poor and will not be buying an ebike, just seems weird.
Realistically, they have a cult like following because they were marked down like crazy when nobody really wanted the last Gen bike with a Shimano motor. Whoever got a screaming deal on one loves the fact that they get to brag about riding a "cool brand" bike for so much less $$$ than MSRP. Pinkbike listed some nice traits about the bike, but didn't keep it real about why the bike has a cult like following IMO.
"tell me you started riding within the last 5 years without telling me you started riding within the last 5 years."all joking aside, yes its an...
"tell me you started riding within the last 5 years without telling me you started riding within the last 5 years."
all joking aside, yes its an older compound. while a good compound, definitely not used as much anymore, as maxxis has since released better offerings.
I've been riding for 15 years, but I was broke for the first 10 so I just rode whatever OEM tire came on my $500 hardtail 😜
"tell me you started riding within the last 5 years without telling me you started riding within the last 5 years."all joking aside, yes its an...
"tell me you started riding within the last 5 years without telling me you started riding within the last 5 years."
all joking aside, yes its an older compound. while a good compound, definitely not used as much anymore, as maxxis has since released better offerings.
I bet Canyon retained Sam to help design bikes for the DIY mechanic...
i love you friggin nerds.
all bikes are great somewhere.
all bikes suck somewhere.
get moar bikes.
short chainstays are cool. long stays are pretty wild too.
dorado FEELS way different to 40. Way. but thats the point right?
I feel like santa cruz screwed up by not making bullit "MOST BIGGER" (battery/travel/geo) compared to VALA.
but my ebike is a 2stroke. so maybe im way off.
I bet they’re using him to QC test their bikes. If they can make them strong enough for Sam, then maybe they’ll lose the “snapyon” nickname finally.
Bringing it full circle from complain-stays... What's the current/future meta in geometry? Seems like stacks are still coming up little by little while hta's have stabilized. Maybe hta's haven't stabilized, but more the resurgence of all mountain has created a space for a bike where hta's can stabilize.
What's the future of pedal bike geometry going to be like that we don't see today. I think the firebird is a good example of progressive geo but adjustability to bring it back to moderate.
Feels to me like higher stacks with the same reach numbers, +5mm longer stays from the current average and maybe a touch lower average bb (due to the higher stack and shorter cranks) are the next paths in pedal bike development.
6 year old thread with relevant info. Ninjichor has a solid post in there. They aren’t getting into stack but you’re right, if you want more stack you’ll need more RC. That’s partially where a lot of us are basing our RC religion on. https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/Advanced-geometry-nerding,10381
I think a lot of us need to spend our time in a thread like that. I know geo is part of tech but we’re getting really esoteric 🧐
To me its a no-brainer, the UNNO (assuming its available in your country).
38 fork, Downhill casing tires, 200 more watt/hours in the battery, and the most powerful motor on the market, but still nearly 5 pounds lighter.
Plus the UNNO looks very unique, in a good way.
That new intend moto shock is something else. Minimum rider weight of 187 lbs,
Esoteric geekery is why I'm here.
https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/modern-geo-talk-chainstays-stack-reach-and-bitching-about-it
Here we go, a fresh thread for geo talk
the initiative i like to see. thank you!
Orbea is making a live version of Tech Rumors, what a crazy world we are living in... 😅 https://experience.orbea.com/en/fmd-show-me-the-bike
Any talk of an updated Strive?
The perfect thread for slow tech news days
big guys need love too
Is Maxxis SuperTacky a new compound, or just one that is not used often? I see it's specced on the new Bullit front tire.
Not on the Santa Cruz website it's not. Text and photos there show MaxxGrip front, MaxxTerra rear.
"tell me you started riding within the last 5 years without telling me you started riding within the last 5 years."
all joking aside, yes its an older compound. while a good compound, definitely not used as much anymore, as maxxis has since released better offerings.
Ahh the good old days of Slow Reezay and Super Tacky...
In my memory it was almost gooey and you could hear it peeling off rocks and flinging gravel like an angry octopus. I also remember side knobs tearing off if a berm sneezed at em and my gnarly friends could wear out a set in a few days, so there was that, too.
Would love to see those compound names resurrected though.
Super Tacky isn’t used much anymore outside of the Wetscream. Essentially it’s the stickiest compound from MaxxGrip, but only that without the firmer base and center compounds.
The latest Michelin Wild Enduro MS tyres reminded me of supertacky, sticking to the floor when the bike had been sat for a while, flinging rocks up and generally being very sticky.
Slow reezay has been fully phased out, correct?
Gwin mentioned the new Sender dropping soon on Moving the Needle. Kinda sucks it got delayed but I'd rather a bike release be postponed to fix some issues than to come out and immediately be recalled
Yes. RIP 😢
Realistically, they have a cult like following because they were marked down like crazy when nobody really wanted the last Gen bike with a Shimano motor. Whoever got a screaming deal on one loves the fact that they get to brag about riding a "cool brand" bike for so much less $$$ than MSRP. Pinkbike listed some nice traits about the bike, but didn't keep it real about why the bike has a cult like following IMO.
I've been riding for 15 years, but I was broke for the first 10 so I just rode whatever OEM tire came on my $500 hardtail 😜
I remember my days of running Vee Rubber Ninja's at 40 psi in the wet. It's where I learned how to dance......
not much of a hardtail nerd but these are pretty neat
