My Vivid has HBO but no matter the settings, nor how big the huck to flat that almost explode my ankles, the last 5mm is complete...
My Vivid has HBO but no matter the settings, nor how big the huck to flat that almost explode my ankles, the last 5mm is complete unobtainium.
I wouldn't think its the HBO, but I can hit the same spot at 29% sag and 40% sag plus max to least compression set. HBO also set to max and min too.
A SDU without HBO and a X2 could use all 65mm stroke though, so the only thing I can guess is it's the HBO.
The o-ring will never go past last few mm of stanchion on a Vivid air. The full stroke is still there though. You can verify by letting all the air out and removing the valve core. Same thing happens on forks, but on some of them there's a line showing what max travel is.
good eyes. has the cutout arch ala the 34/36 SL. wonder what's going on with the dongle on the bottom of the drive side lowers? reminds...
good eyes. has the cutout arch ala the 34/36 SL. wonder what's going on with the dongle on the bottom of the drive side lowers? reminds me of the 40 penis from early days of that fork
Looks like the standard protective cap that all GRIP2/X2 dampers have
good eyes. has the cutout arch ala the 34/36 SL. wonder what's going on with the dongle on the bottom of the drive side lowers? reminds...
good eyes. has the cutout arch ala the 34/36 SL. wonder what's going on with the dongle on the bottom of the drive side lowers? reminds me of the 40 penis from early days of that fork
good eyes. has the cutout arch ala the 34/36 SL. wonder what's going on with the dongle on the bottom of the drive side lowers? reminds...
good eyes. has the cutout arch ala the 34/36 SL. wonder what's going on with the dongle on the bottom of the drive side lowers? reminds me of the 40 penis from early days of that fork
Neko said in the Jensons Fox 36 video that he was running the new 36 at 160mm instead of a 38 at 170mm and just lived...
Neko said in the Jensons Fox 36 video that he was running the new 36 at 160mm instead of a 38 at 170mm and just lived with the axle to crown being 7mm shorter.
7 or 17 mm? Lyrik has a shorter ATC at the same travel than the ZEB. Using a shorter travel fork is a double whammy ATC wise. I'd imagine it's the same with the 36 and 38...
Now that I've had it, I wouldn't want to go back. It's been a luxury to run a 50lb lighter spring while also virtually eliminating bottom...
Now that I've had it, I wouldn't want to go back. It's been a luxury to run a 50lb lighter spring while also virtually eliminating bottom outs and end of travel harshness. Went from a DHX at 400lbs to a SDLX at 350 fwiw.
I went from an off the shelf ( but correct ) tune on a RS super deluxe coil with hbo
To a push 11.6 custom tuned, gen 1 so without HBO
100% this handles everything better with a 25lbs lighter spring
And without opening the article, I am sure Yamaha did not buy Brose. If anything, the ebike division/segment/technology. Brose is a multi billion dollar company, a tier...
And without opening the article, I am sure Yamaha did not buy Brose. If anything, the ebike division/segment/technology.
Brose is a multi billion dollar company, a tier 1 supplier of the biggest automotive brands for all aspects of building a car, interior, exterior, powertrain, you name it.
Fun fact, the owner/heir/whatever is the guy who ordered the new Lancia Stratos made from a cut up Ferrari F430 and had a production run of 20 units planned until Ferrari said no to cutting up their cars.
That's the playing field of Brose. And I bet 90 % of people pronounce the name of the company wrong. Hint, it's not Bros 😉
Sorry about the potato shot screen grabs! Loics new specialized shock position seems a lot higher apart from that Ill leave it up to the masses
Sorry about the potato shot screen grabs! Loics new specialized shock position seems a lot higher apart from that Ill leave it up to the masses
He said on insta that he can't wait to get on the real version of the bike. I'm assuming this is much closer to the production version than the lug and tube one he's been riding for a while
I went from an off the shelf ( but correct ) tune on a RS super deluxe coil with hboTo a push 11.6 custom tuned, gen...
I went from an off the shelf ( but correct ) tune on a RS super deluxe coil with hbo
To a push 11.6 custom tuned, gen 1 so without HBO
100% this handles everything better with a 25lbs lighter spring
Even the rare bottom outs
So I think it’s quality over features here
I don't doubt that, the 11.6 is one of the most expensive shocks on the market. And we're both just providing single anecdotal evidence of our own experiences, on one bike. But I'd wager you wouldn't be upset if the 11.6 had HBO and it's a wonderful feature on more affordable and non-custom tuned shocks.
I'm with you though on quality, I had a CC DB coil that was excellent w/o HBO. But again, it would've been even better with it lol, this argument goes around in circles.
The o-ring will never go past last few mm of stanchion on a Vivid air. The full stroke is still there though. You can verify by...
The o-ring will never go past last few mm of stanchion on a Vivid air. The full stroke is still there though. You can verify by letting all the air out and removing the valve core. Same thing happens on forks, but on some of them there's a line showing what max travel is.
Strange, my caliper shows 60.something mm where the o-ring is then 5.something mm on the other side of the o-ring to the stop, unweighted rear to measure. It is a 65mm stroke in the trailhead app, double checked in case maybe it was mislabeled. Coming up on service time so maybe I'll see something amiss when its apart.
It does have a slightly different compression tune than what the bike mfg would have shipped, c37 vs c34 but I don't think that's the cause.
Thanks for the info though, good to know it won't bottom at the stop.
And without opening the article, I am sure Yamaha did not buy Brose. If anything, the ebike division/segment/technology. Brose is a multi billion dollar company, a tier...
And without opening the article, I am sure Yamaha did not buy Brose. If anything, the ebike division/segment/technology.
Brose is a multi billion dollar company, a tier 1 supplier of the biggest automotive brands for all aspects of building a car, interior, exterior, powertrain, you name it.
Fun fact, the owner/heir/whatever is the guy who ordered the new Lancia Stratos made from a cut up Ferrari F430 and had a production run of 20 units planned until Ferrari said no to cutting up their cars.
That's the playing field of Brose. And I bet 90 % of people pronounce the name of the company wrong. Hint, it's not Bros 😉
The o-ring will never go past last few mm of stanchion on a Vivid air. The full stroke is still there though. You can verify by...
The o-ring will never go past last few mm of stanchion on a Vivid air. The full stroke is still there though. You can verify by letting all the air out and removing the valve core. Same thing happens on forks, but on some of them there's a line showing what max travel is.
Strange, my caliper shows 60.something mm where the o-ring is then 5.something mm on the other side of the o-ring to the stop, unweighted rear to...
Strange, my caliper shows 60.something mm where the o-ring is then 5.something mm on the other side of the o-ring to the stop, unweighted rear to measure. It is a 65mm stroke in the trailhead app, double checked in case maybe it was mislabeled. Coming up on service time so maybe I'll see something amiss when its apart.
It does have a slightly different compression tune than what the bike mfg would have shipped, c37 vs c34 but I don't think that's the cause.
Thanks for the info though, good to know it won't bottom at the stop.
If you've really got 5mm to the o-ring, you've got something weird going on. There should be roughly a 1.5-2 o-ring's width between the end of the stanchion and the o-ring. Like, the equivalent of 5% sag on the markings.
One guess is that maybe someone installed travel reducers in your shock after it was manufactured. See the service manual page 51: https://www.sram.com/globalassets/document-hierarchy/service-manuals/rockshox/rear-suspension/2024-vivid-service-manual.pdf There are 2 possible travel reducer locations, the air can one is pretty obvious and easy to check and remove if needed. It looks like you can check if the eyelet travel reducer is like 1 more step to check if it's present, but basically requires a full rebuild to remove.
My Vivid has HBO but no matter the settings, nor how big the huck to flat that almost explode my ankles, the last 5mm is complete...
My Vivid has HBO but no matter the settings, nor how big the huck to flat that almost explode my ankles, the last 5mm is complete unobtainium.
I wouldn't think its the HBO, but I can hit the same spot at 29% sag and 40% sag plus max to least compression set. HBO also set to max and min too.
A SDU without HBO and a X2 could use all 65mm stroke though, so the only thing I can guess is it's the HBO.
what bike is it on? Its my understanding after talking to EXT is that HBO is mostly needed on dual short link bikes like Giant and some DW/VPP designs where you get an initial falling rate, but at the end of the stroke you get a very quickly rising rate, exaggerating harsh bottom outs. Short links inherently are going to have a less flat compression curve.
what bike is it on? Its my understanding after talking to EXT is that HBO is mostly needed on dual short link bikes like Giant and...
what bike is it on? Its my understanding after talking to EXT is that HBO is mostly needed on dual short link bikes like Giant and some DW/VPP designs where you get an initial falling rate, but at the end of the stroke you get a very quickly rising rate, exaggerating harsh bottom outs. Short links inherently are going to have a less flat compression curve.
To give some credit where credit's due, since air shocks have gotten much better, it's been a while since any short link bikes had a significant regressive hump at the end of their travel; the most recent one I can think of is the Ibis Ripmo. In fact, many short link bikes get more progressive at the end for increased bottom-out resistance.
At the end of the day, my two cents about HBO is that it shouldn't be a dealbreaker. It's highly dependent on your personal preferences, bike kinematics, and bike setup. I don't think it'll ever be (or should be) something bike / suspension companies demand as a mandatory feature.
Seeing the new Propain, anyone heard about the new TQ motor? Hoping it’s the same mounting and electrical connections and can be a drop-in upgrade for the HPR50. But I’m probably dreamin’
Sorry about the potato shot screen grabs! Loics new specialized shock position seems a lot higher apart from that Ill leave it up to the masses
The o-ring will never go past last few mm of stanchion on a Vivid air. The full stroke is still there though. You can verify by letting all the air out and removing the valve core. Same thing happens on forks, but on some of them there's a line showing what max travel is.
Higher shock and that chainline...
forgot about this pic 🤦♂️
Looks like the standard protective cap that all GRIP2/X2 dampers have
Maybe the angle just makes it look bigger
That’s what she said
7 or 17 mm? Lyrik has a shorter ATC at the same travel than the ZEB. Using a shorter travel fork is a double whammy ATC wise. I'd imagine it's the same with the 36 and 38...
Agreed, even the potato cam quality clearly shows the chain going above the cranks. It's the new high pivot proto.
I went from an off the shelf ( but correct ) tune on a RS super deluxe coil with hbo
To a push 11.6 custom tuned, gen 1 so without HBO
100% this handles everything better with a 25lbs lighter spring
Even the rare bottom outs
So I think it’s quality over features here
Any idea what is coming from Yeti in 2 days? DH Bike, updated eBike…?
$25,000 purple anodised everything ASR
Yamaha, now makes
Pianos, motorcycles, ebike motors, electronics, and tunes engines for Auto manufacturers. That's certainly diversified manufacturing.
Edited to add, Guitars and boat motors.
Don’t forget guitars
He said on insta that he can't wait to get on the real version of the bike. I'm assuming this is much closer to the production version than the lug and tube one he's been riding for a while
I also forgot boat motors.
and drums!
Not just boat motors but whole watercraft - WaveRunners.
I don't doubt that, the 11.6 is one of the most expensive shocks on the market. And we're both just providing single anecdotal evidence of our own experiences, on one bike. But I'd wager you wouldn't be upset if the 11.6 had HBO and it's a wonderful feature on more affordable and non-custom tuned shocks.
I'm with you though on quality, I had a CC DB coil that was excellent w/o HBO. But again, it would've been even better with it lol, this argument goes around in circles.
Strange, my caliper shows 60.something mm where the o-ring is then 5.something mm on the other side of the o-ring to the stop, unweighted rear to measure. It is a 65mm stroke in the trailhead app, double checked in case maybe it was mislabeled. Coming up on service time so maybe I'll see something amiss when its apart.
It does have a slightly different compression tune than what the bike mfg would have shipped, c37 vs c34 but I don't think that's the cause.
Thanks for the info though, good to know it won't bottom at the stop.
Industrial robots, actual boats, golf equipment, electronic/network devices...
🤫 https://www.transalpes.ch/transalpes-c3
26 ain't dead - for real! https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/26-aint-dead-starling-cycles-launches-dive.
If you've really got 5mm to the o-ring, you've got something weird going on. There should be roughly a 1.5-2 o-ring's width between the end of the stanchion and the o-ring. Like, the equivalent of 5% sag on the markings.
One guess is that maybe someone installed travel reducers in your shock after it was manufactured. See the service manual page 51: https://www.sram.com/globalassets/document-hierarchy/service-manuals/rockshox/rear-suspension/2024-vivid-service-manual.pdf There are 2 possible travel reducer locations, the air can one is pretty obvious and easy to check and remove if needed. It looks like you can check if the eyelet travel reducer is like 1 more step to check if it's present, but basically requires a full rebuild to remove.
Swimming pools...
https://global.yamaha-motor.com/business/pool/
Rumor is a new enduro ebike.
what bike is it on? Its my understanding after talking to EXT is that HBO is mostly needed on dual short link bikes like Giant and some DW/VPP designs where you get an initial falling rate, but at the end of the stroke you get a very quickly rising rate, exaggerating harsh bottom outs. Short links inherently are going to have a less flat compression curve.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DH1PmP5C2QW/
just registered for this. Seen/found at mtb-news.
Propain light eMTB 160/150 travel with TQ. About to release end of season.
To give some credit where credit's due, since air shocks have gotten much better, it's been a while since any short link bikes had a significant regressive hump at the end of their travel; the most recent one I can think of is the Ibis Ripmo. In fact, many short link bikes get more progressive at the end for increased bottom-out resistance.
At the end of the day, my two cents about HBO is that it shouldn't be a dealbreaker. It's highly dependent on your personal preferences, bike kinematics, and bike setup. I don't think it'll ever be (or should be) something bike / suspension companies demand as a mandatory feature.
Seeing the new Propain, anyone heard about the new TQ motor? Hoping it’s the same mounting and electrical connections and can be a drop-in upgrade for the HPR50. But I’m probably dreamin’