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BigNubbs
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3/28/2025 12:48pm

Float X Neo+Genie c-c-c-combo breaker

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pacojo
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3/28/2025 12:59pm

according to specialized "riding changes forever" on april 8th. anyone have any ideas what that means?

would love to think it means a bunch of new bikes i.e. demo + enduro + levo, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't just a new levo.

maybe it also has some kind of integrated telemetry, given their rumored purchase of motion instruments?

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3/28/2025 1:33pm
Suns_PSD wrote:
I've been a bit anti 12 speed and anti-electronic shifting for some time. Not because I'm an old man screaming at the clouds but because I...

I've been a bit anti 12 speed and anti-electronic shifting for some time. Not because I'm an old man screaming at the clouds but because I bought them and used them for 2 years and frankly found them heavy and to not really do anything better.

However, at least for my e-bikes, I think I'll go with the new Transmission 90 (or whatever it's called) with the GX cassette on my next full power e-bike. I'll stick to 11 speeds on my pedal bikes though.

I still think e-bikes need wide ratio 11 speed cassettes from about 10-48, but I don't get to decide.

I liked that 8 speed all steel groupset Sram came out with a decade ago that was ebike specific. I thought it was a great idea, but I assume its dead now. 

Maybe just my personal experience, but I feel like you need less range than on a real bike because you have the torque to winch up anything (its common for Shimano ebikes to come with a 38t front chainring) and the super low 20mph power cutoff. 

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3/28/2025 2:17pm

according to specialized "riding changes forever" on april 8th. anyone have any ideas what that means?

their marketing department has been replaced by AI?

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gbcoke
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3/28/2025 2:25pm

The new Levo launches on April 8th.

 

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according to specialized "riding changes forever" on april 8th. anyone have any ideas what that means?

Probably the rumored 115Nm motor.

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3/28/2025 3:48pm Edited Date/Time 3/28/2025 5:01pm

according to specialized "riding changes forever" on april 8th. anyone have any ideas what that means?

Will the Special Ed marketing team take a ban bet on this one?  If it isn't something truly revolutionary like, say, a hoverbike, they're not allowed to work in the industry ever again.

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3/28/2025 7:10pm

according to specialized "riding changes forever" on april 8th. anyone have any ideas what that means?

boozed wrote:
Will the Special Ed marketing team take a ban bet on this one?  If it isn't something truly revolutionary like, say, a hoverbike, they're not allowed...

Will the Special Ed marketing team take a ban bet on this one?  If it isn't something truly revolutionary like, say, a hoverbike, they're not allowed to work in the industry ever again.

Probably the new and improved Genie shock... Genie 2.0 

3/28/2025 7:35pm Edited Date/Time 3/28/2025 7:38pm
Suns_PSD wrote:
I've been a bit anti 12 speed and anti-electronic shifting for some time. Not because I'm an old man screaming at the clouds but because I...

I've been a bit anti 12 speed and anti-electronic shifting for some time. Not because I'm an old man screaming at the clouds but because I bought them and used them for 2 years and frankly found them heavy and to not really do anything better.

However, at least for my e-bikes, I think I'll go with the new Transmission 90 (or whatever it's called) with the GX cassette on my next full power e-bike. I'll stick to 11 speeds on my pedal bikes though.

I still think e-bikes need wide ratio 11 speed cassettes from about 10-48, but I don't get to decide.

Shimano Deore 11sp is 11-51T, dirt cheap, and pretty bomb proof. (although all Shimano derailleurs should be beefier imo) Run it on my park bike and enduro bike with no problems. I’m tempted by the mechanical Transmission but if Shimano does a wireless Deore 11sp derailleur/shifter I’m all over it.

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3/28/2025 7:44pm
Shimano Deore 11sp is 11-51T, dirt cheap, and pretty bomb proof. (although all Shimano derailleurs should be beefier imo) Run it on my park bike and...

Shimano Deore 11sp is 11-51T, dirt cheap, and pretty bomb proof. (although all Shimano derailleurs should be beefier imo) Run it on my park bike and enduro bike with no problems. I’m tempted by the mechanical Transmission but if Shimano does a wireless Deore 11sp derailleur/shifter I’m all over it.

soon XT and XTR are going wireless, shifter similar to the one for the di2, but i do hope they're beefier, the current shimano lineup requires too many adjustments too often, and bends so easily, got fed up with it in 6 months and went back to eagle, it just runs

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3/28/2025 10:47pm
Suns_PSD wrote:
I've been a bit anti 12 speed and anti-electronic shifting for some time. Not because I'm an old man screaming at the clouds but because I...

I've been a bit anti 12 speed and anti-electronic shifting for some time. Not because I'm an old man screaming at the clouds but because I bought them and used them for 2 years and frankly found them heavy and to not really do anything better.

However, at least for my e-bikes, I think I'll go with the new Transmission 90 (or whatever it's called) with the GX cassette on my next full power e-bike. I'll stick to 11 speeds on my pedal bikes though.

I still think e-bikes need wide ratio 11 speed cassettes from about 10-48, but I don't get to decide.

Shimano Deore 11sp is 11-51T, dirt cheap, and pretty bomb proof. (although all Shimano derailleurs should be beefier imo) Run it on my park bike and...

Shimano Deore 11sp is 11-51T, dirt cheap, and pretty bomb proof. (although all Shimano derailleurs should be beefier imo) Run it on my park bike and enduro bike with no problems. I’m tempted by the mechanical Transmission but if Shimano does a wireless Deore 11sp derailleur/shifter I’m all over it.

Hate to break it to you, but they're never going to go backwards and do wireless 11sp. It's 12sp all the way from here on out 

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…not sure if this has been discussed yet but PB recently visited the Taipei Show and it was mentioned that 4 WC Crosscountry teams are currenty testing 32“ wheels. I also heard from a friend that „apparently“ Nino Schurter and his reammate won this year‘s Cape Epic on bigger wheels..any truth to this? The Maxxis Aspen was shown in Taipei and is Nino‘s favourite tyre..interesting!

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3/29/2025 2:34am
parnifel wrote:
…not sure if this has been discussed yet but PB recently visited the Taipei Show and it was mentioned that 4 WC Crosscountry teams are currenty...

…not sure if this has been discussed yet but PB recently visited the Taipei Show and it was mentioned that 4 WC Crosscountry teams are currenty testing 32“ wheels. I also heard from a friend that „apparently“ Nino Schurter and his reammate won this year‘s Cape Epic on bigger wheels..any truth to this? The Maxxis Aspen was shown in Taipei and is Nino‘s favourite tyre..interesting!

sorry if i sound rude, but that friend must be blind or has a lot of imagination Wink

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sethimus
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Hate to break it to you, but they're never going to go backwards and do wireless 11sp. It's 12sp all the way from here on out 

so why did they build this?

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3/29/2025 2:43am
sethimus wrote:
so why did they build this?

so why did they build this?

because cues replaced 3 groupsets. Low level cues isnt great. XT is good.

parnifel
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3/29/2025 3:20am
parnifel wrote:
…not sure if this has been discussed yet but PB recently visited the Taipei Show and it was mentioned that 4 WC Crosscountry teams are currenty...

…not sure if this has been discussed yet but PB recently visited the Taipei Show and it was mentioned that 4 WC Crosscountry teams are currenty testing 32“ wheels. I also heard from a friend that „apparently“ Nino Schurter and his reammate won this year‘s Cape Epic on bigger wheels..any truth to this? The Maxxis Aspen was shown in Taipei and is Nino‘s favourite tyre..interesting!

krabo83 wrote:
sorry if i sound rude, but that friend must be blind or has a lot of imagination ;)

sorry if i sound rude, but that friend must be blind or has a lot of imagination Wink

schurterCapeEpic

All good dude,its rumours after all. BUT there are no marks on the tires regarding the size

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3/29/2025 4:40am
parnifel wrote:
…not sure if this has been discussed yet but PB recently visited the Taipei Show and it was mentioned that 4 WC Crosscountry teams are currenty...

…not sure if this has been discussed yet but PB recently visited the Taipei Show and it was mentioned that 4 WC Crosscountry teams are currenty testing 32“ wheels. I also heard from a friend that „apparently“ Nino Schurter and his reammate won this year‘s Cape Epic on bigger wheels..any truth to this? The Maxxis Aspen was shown in Taipei and is Nino‘s favourite tyre..interesting!

krabo83 wrote:
sorry if i sound rude, but that friend must be blind or has a lot of imagination ;)

sorry if i sound rude, but that friend must be blind or has a lot of imagination Wink

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parnifel wrote:

All good dude,its rumours after all. BUT there are no marks on the tires regarding the size

Us bike nerds notice when there's a new color bolt on a stem. Someone definitely would have noticed Nino and Filippo winning Cape Epic on 32" wheels. They are easy to spot. 

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3/29/2025 5:34am
sethimus wrote:
so why did they build this?

so why did they build this?

because cues replaced 3 groupsets. Low level cues isnt great. XT is good.

I think we’re more likely to see a lighter Linkglide cassette than anything wireless with less than 12 gears

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parnifel
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krabo83 wrote:
sorry if i sound rude, but that friend must be blind or has a lot of imagination ;)

sorry if i sound rude, but that friend must be blind or has a lot of imagination Wink

schurterCapeEpic
parnifel wrote:

All good dude,its rumours after all. BUT there are no marks on the tires regarding the size

Us bike nerds notice when there's a new color bolt on a stem. Someone definitely would have noticed Nino and Filippo winning Cape Epic on 32"...

Us bike nerds notice when there's a new color bolt on a stem. Someone definitely would have noticed Nino and Filippo winning Cape Epic on 32" wheels. They are easy to spot. 

..touchè Mr Burgundy,touché!!

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chriskief
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3/29/2025 10:14am
parnifel wrote:

All good dude,its rumours after all. BUT there are no marks on the tires regarding the size

Ah yes, those were 32” tires in disguise in that photo. Just remove the size marks and no one will notice!

Those guys at Maxxis sure are clever 🤣

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nsp234
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3/29/2025 10:21am
parnifel wrote:

All good dude,its rumours after all. BUT there are no marks on the tires regarding the size

chriskief wrote:
Ah yes, those were 32” tires in disguise in that photo. Just remove the size marks and no one will notice!Those guys at Maxxis sure are...

Ah yes, those were 32” tires in disguise in that photo. Just remove the size marks and no one will notice!

Those guys at Maxxis sure are clever 🤣

Well at least they had to develop 32"-specific sharpies...

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Primoz
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3/29/2025 1:29pm

And without opening the article, I am sure Yamaha did not buy Brose. If anything, the ebike division/segment/technology. 

Brose is a multi billion dollar company, a tier 1 supplier of the biggest automotive brands for all aspects of building a car, interior, exterior, powertrain, you name it.

Fun fact, the owner/heir/whatever is the guy who ordered the new Lancia Stratos made from a cut up Ferrari F430 and had a production run of 20 units planned until Ferrari said no to cutting up their cars.

That's the playing field of Brose. And I bet 90 % of people pronounce the name of the company wrong. Hint, it's not Bros 😉

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3/29/2025 1:40pm
Primoz wrote:
And without opening the article, I am sure Yamaha did not buy Brose. If anything, the ebike division/segment/technology. Brose is a multi billion dollar company, a tier...

And without opening the article, I am sure Yamaha did not buy Brose. If anything, the ebike division/segment/technology. 

Brose is a multi billion dollar company, a tier 1 supplier of the biggest automotive brands for all aspects of building a car, interior, exterior, powertrain, you name it.

Fun fact, the owner/heir/whatever is the guy who ordered the new Lancia Stratos made from a cut up Ferrari F430 and had a production run of 20 units planned until Ferrari said no to cutting up their cars.

That's the playing field of Brose. And I bet 90 % of people pronounce the name of the company wrong. Hint, it's not Bros 😉

Bros and Porsh. Never think about the e. NEVER!

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3/29/2025 1:55pm

according to specialized "riding changes forever" on april 8th. anyone have any ideas what that means?

A very very expensive E-MTB is about to release

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3/29/2025 2:53pm
sethimus wrote:
so why did they build this?

so why did they build this?

because cues replaced 3 groupsets. Low level cues isnt great. XT is good.

Noideamtber is correct. Also cues is cheap and existing technology, it's not exactly a new design, just a new product to streamline the SKU's. 

There is no way they're investing all the money to go backwards and offer an expensive wireless drivetrain, with a cassette that isn't even hyperglide+ standard,

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3/29/2025 3:27pm
Suns_PSD wrote:
I've been a bit anti 12 speed and anti-electronic shifting for some time. Not because I'm an old man screaming at the clouds but because I...

I've been a bit anti 12 speed and anti-electronic shifting for some time. Not because I'm an old man screaming at the clouds but because I bought them and used them for 2 years and frankly found them heavy and to not really do anything better.

However, at least for my e-bikes, I think I'll go with the new Transmission 90 (or whatever it's called) with the GX cassette on my next full power e-bike. I'll stick to 11 speeds on my pedal bikes though.

I still think e-bikes need wide ratio 11 speed cassettes from about 10-48, but I don't get to decide.

Shimano Deore 11sp is 11-51T, dirt cheap, and pretty bomb proof. (although all Shimano derailleurs should be beefier imo) Run it on my park bike and...

Shimano Deore 11sp is 11-51T, dirt cheap, and pretty bomb proof. (although all Shimano derailleurs should be beefier imo) Run it on my park bike and enduro bike with no problems. I’m tempted by the mechanical Transmission but if Shimano does a wireless Deore 11sp derailleur/shifter I’m all over it.

Hate to break it to you, but they're never going to go backwards and do wireless 11sp. It's 12sp all the way from here on out 

Wireless 11sp already exists in the linkglide category. 

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sspomer
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3/29/2025 6:31pm

took a thermal cam thingy to windrock for some trackside DH bike bbq

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3/29/2025 6:37pm
sspomer wrote:

took a thermal cam thingy to windrock for some trackside DH bike bbq

The fork and especially the shock are surprisingly hot. I know they heat up but that much is crazy. I def need a heat sync! Next trend....

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3/29/2025 7:46pm
sspomer wrote:

took a thermal cam thingy to windrock for some trackside DH bike bbq

The fork and especially the shock are surprisingly hot. I know they heat up but that much is crazy. I def need a heat sync! Next...

The fork and especially the shock are surprisingly hot. I know they heat up but that much is crazy. I def need a heat sync! Next trend....

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3/29/2025 8:23pm
sspomer wrote:

took a thermal cam thingy to windrock for some trackside DH bike bbq

Coil shocks run at upto 55°c during DH runs, airshocks can run quite a bit hotter depending on the design.

Dyno testing shocks you should run a warm up cycle to heat the shock to at least 40°c before measuring the damping as that's close to operating temperature. 

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