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2/20/2025 9:02pm
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Atherton S.200 aluminum DH bike now for sale - https://www.athertonbikes.com/bike/s200-downhill.html- 3 builds £6,299, £5,650 and £4,165 (according to their website on this particular day)- 12 standard...

Atherton S.200 aluminum DH bike now for sale - https://www.athertonbikes.com/bike/s200-downhill.html

- 3 builds £6,299, £5,650 and £4,165 (according to their website on this particular day)

- 12 standard sizes and the combination of Atherton’s “perfect-fit" sizing

- mixed wheel configuration

- 200 mm travel front and rear.

- DW4 suspension platform

- single-piece CNC'd rear triangle

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S.200.1 build below

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Oli_C wrote:
I'm not sure if it ever got mentioned, but during Hardline Tasi Gee's bike was making a hell of racket everytime it was caught on film...

I'm not sure if it ever got mentioned, but during Hardline Tasi Gee's bike was making a hell of racket everytime it was caught on film, whilst Charlie's belt drive was silent.

The final touches on the Atherton bikes are not great. The cable porting is average at best these days, and the chain slap protection is just a...

The final touches on the Atherton bikes are not great. 

The cable porting is average at best these days, and the chain slap protection is just a thin piece of mastic tape that barely covers the chain stay area. 

They're always going to be noisy until you invest some money and time to mitigate it. 

I’ve heard some of the older frames weren’t perfect, but mine is #465(A200) and I was blown away with how spot on the fitments and tolerances are. 

On the S200 I don’t believe the rear is 1 piece like mentioned above. I think they ment each side is once piece CNC machined. Looks like the half’s are bolted together.

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Still can’t make sense of all the dh/bike the Athertons came out with. There’s, what was it, the A200 with the carbon tubes, and now the...

Still can’t make sense of all the dh/bike the Athertons came out with. There’s, what was it, the A200 with the carbon tubes, and now the S200 with the Alu tubes, and then there’s the high-pivot gearbox proto, which in my view would be the top dog that goes fastest. Then what do you do with the other 2? Keep them as the better pedaller downhill sleds? But then what to do with the 170 bikes which are even better pedallers? 

thats the benefit of at least the additive A series bikes.

they effectively make the bikes to order, no real hardship having 3 models - regular, HP, gearbox HP (once they have been designed and tested); making the lugs and gluing the tubes in is the same for each design.

its not like a conventional brand's approach where a new bike means being stuck with half a warehouse of the old ones

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I've got a customer who ordered an A-series bike that I'll hopefully be helping build soon. One thing I didn't know was the customer is contacted...

I've got a customer who ordered an A-series bike that I'll hopefully be helping build soon. One thing I didn't know was the customer is contacted and brought along through the whole build of every frame. He gets check in's from Atherton bikes every step of the way. 

To me, it seems to be taking a bit longer than I expected but it sounds like they're quiet busy. Interesting to see the customer side of what they're doing and it's pretty impressive to what I've seen from other custom builders. 

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when it takes so long to get the bike. What is going on when something breakes. How long is the wait then? I mean if i...

when it takes so long to get the bike. What is going on when something breakes. How long is the wait then? I mean if i am located in Germany, i will have to send the whole bike to them or are they replacing individual parts with proof by foto.

Also The whole Back is one CNC at the s200. When it gets bend, you throw away all the stuff? I mean aluminium can be recycled but not very enviroment freindly.

If you bend any part of the frame, are you sure nothing else got bent? Overstressed? How sure you are you can only replace one part and don't need to replace the whole frame?

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The man makes sense:

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2/21/2025 11:19am
TimBud wrote:

The man makes sense:

I’ve heard there are two chains from a reputable source. But a gearbox makes sense too. Time will tell Smile

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A gearbox AND a derailleur. Bit of mis directions or MOAR GEARS!!!!!!

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2/21/2025 12:59pm

I’ve heard there are two chains from a reputable source. But a gearbox makes sense too. Time will tell Smile

Interesting. A gearbox makes more sense in terms of justifying a total redesign of the bike. Because there's a lot more that's different in the bb/linkage/shock area. The lower shock bolt alone is at least 3-4" higher. If there is a gearbox under there, that doesn't leave a lot of space for the old 6-bar design so there would probably have to be a new layout, as well. Cool stuff either way.

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Another Aston find from a couple of weeks ago:

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Let’s see if this gets deleted as well

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Speedholes

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TimBud wrote:
Another Aston find from a couple of weeks ago:

Another Aston find from a couple of weeks ago:

IMG 1017

Isn't this the Horst pivot bike we have seen under Reece since the announcement?

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spotted on amaury pierron’s ig story, 

strange knob on the air stanchion of Amaury's fork, could be a spring damper Boxxer?

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Let’s see if this gets deleted as well

Let’s see if this gets deleted as well

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What are we looking at? New Levo? 

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B Rabbit wrote:

What are we looking at? New Levo? 

Definitely not the fork. Nothing to see there.

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Speedholes

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2/22/2025 1:56pm

Was this posted before? Simon Maurer on some brakes. Caliper reminds me of Trickstuff. Screenshot 2025-02-22-22-37-37-410 com.instagram.androidScreenshot 2025-02-22-22-34-34-613 com.instagram.androidScreenshot 2025-02-22-22-36-09-357 com.instagram.android 0

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2/22/2025 4:44pm Edited Date/Time 2/22/2025 4:45pm
Was this posted before? Simon Maurer on some brakes. Caliper reminds me of Trickstuff.

Was this posted before? Simon Maurer on some brakes. Caliper reminds me of Trickstuff. Screenshot 2025-02-22-22-37-37-410 com.instagram.androidScreenshot 2025-02-22-22-34-34-613 com.instagram.androidScreenshot 2025-02-22-22-36-09-357 com.instagram.android 0

 

I first thought trickstuff as well, machining looks very nice, and the color of the pads looks like trickstuff power. 

But, there is a snapshot when he leans the bike over to the other side, and you can clearly see whatever Hope does when you can remove the pistons. 

And the banjo fitting on the caliper is the same as Hope uses, different from trickstuff. Also there are some adjustor screws on the levers which looks like what Hope usually does
 

So im betting its some new updated hope version


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Was this posted before? Simon Maurer on some brakes. Caliper reminds me of Trickstuff.

Was this posted before? Simon Maurer on some brakes. Caliper reminds me of Trickstuff. Screenshot 2025-02-22-22-37-37-410 com.instagram.androidScreenshot 2025-02-22-22-34-34-613 com.instagram.androidScreenshot 2025-02-22-22-36-09-357 com.instagram.android 0

Etney wrote:
 I first thought trickstuff as well, machining looks very nice, and the color of the pads looks like trickstuff power. But, there is a snapshot when he...

 

I first thought trickstuff as well, machining looks very nice, and the color of the pads looks like trickstuff power. 

But, there is a snapshot when he leans the bike over to the other side, and you can clearly see whatever Hope does when you can remove the pistons. 

And the banjo fitting on the caliper is the same as Hope uses, different from trickstuff. Also there are some adjustor screws on the levers which looks like what Hope usually does
 

So im betting its some new updated hope version


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Could make sense, in conjunction with the updated Hope master cylinder with a bleed screw on it recently. 

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Was this posted before? Simon Maurer on some brakes. Caliper reminds me of Trickstuff.

Was this posted before? Simon Maurer on some brakes. Caliper reminds me of Trickstuff. Screenshot 2025-02-22-22-37-37-410 com.instagram.androidScreenshot 2025-02-22-22-34-34-613 com.instagram.androidScreenshot 2025-02-22-22-36-09-357 com.instagram.android 0

no idea what those are but looks interesting

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Was this posted before? Simon Maurer on some brakes. Caliper reminds me of Trickstuff.

Was this posted before? Simon Maurer on some brakes. Caliper reminds me of Trickstuff. Screenshot 2025-02-22-22-37-37-410 com.instagram.androidScreenshot 2025-02-22-22-34-34-613 com.instagram.androidScreenshot 2025-02-22-22-36-09-357 com.instagram.android 0

Etney wrote:
 I first thought trickstuff as well, machining looks very nice, and the color of the pads looks like trickstuff power. But, there is a snapshot when he...

 

I first thought trickstuff as well, machining looks very nice, and the color of the pads looks like trickstuff power. 

But, there is a snapshot when he leans the bike over to the other side, and you can clearly see whatever Hope does when you can remove the pistons. 

And the banjo fitting on the caliper is the same as Hope uses, different from trickstuff. Also there are some adjustor screws on the levers which looks like what Hope usually does
 

So im betting its some new updated hope version


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Carraig042 wrote:

Could make sense, in conjunction with the updated Hope master cylinder with a bleed screw on it recently. 

they do have red pads tho, the classic trickstuff power pads, and it would be about time that trickstuff made something new, a way tom improve them even further could be by adding stiffness to the caliper making it one piece

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2/22/2025 9:28pm
Fantaman wrote:

Took me a bit to dig this up... Specialized patent drawing from late 2023.

Looks like they're continuing to iterate on this.

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Was this posted before? Simon Maurer on some brakes. Caliper reminds me of Trickstuff.

Was this posted before? Simon Maurer on some brakes. Caliper reminds me of Trickstuff. Screenshot 2025-02-22-22-37-37-410 com.instagram.androidScreenshot 2025-02-22-22-34-34-613 com.instagram.androidScreenshot 2025-02-22-22-36-09-357 com.instagram.android 0

Etney wrote:
 I first thought trickstuff as well, machining looks very nice, and the color of the pads looks like trickstuff power. But, there is a snapshot when he...

 

I first thought trickstuff as well, machining looks very nice, and the color of the pads looks like trickstuff power. 

But, there is a snapshot when he leans the bike over to the other side, and you can clearly see whatever Hope does when you can remove the pistons. 

And the banjo fitting on the caliper is the same as Hope uses, different from trickstuff. Also there are some adjustor screws on the levers which looks like what Hope usually does
 

So im betting its some new updated hope version


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Those are Galfer rotors. I’d assume Hope or Trickstuff would do development with their own rotors. 

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2/23/2025 12:49am
tripo19 wrote:
spotted on amaury pierron’s ig story, strange knob on the air stanchion of Amaury's fork, could be a spring damper Boxxer?
IMG 2906.jpeg?VersionId=HX.8eIjM10

spotted on amaury pierron’s ig story, 

strange knob on the air stanchion of Amaury's fork, could be a spring damper Boxxer?

Hydraulic Bottomout Control?

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2/23/2025 12:56am
Was this posted before? Simon Maurer on some brakes. Caliper reminds me of Trickstuff.

Was this posted before? Simon Maurer on some brakes. Caliper reminds me of Trickstuff. Screenshot 2025-02-22-22-37-37-410 com.instagram.androidScreenshot 2025-02-22-22-34-34-613 com.instagram.androidScreenshot 2025-02-22-22-36-09-357 com.instagram.android 0

Etney wrote:
 I first thought trickstuff as well, machining looks very nice, and the color of the pads looks like trickstuff power. But, there is a snapshot when he...

 

I first thought trickstuff as well, machining looks very nice, and the color of the pads looks like trickstuff power. 

But, there is a snapshot when he leans the bike over to the other side, and you can clearly see whatever Hope does when you can remove the pistons. 

And the banjo fitting on the caliper is the same as Hope uses, different from trickstuff. Also there are some adjustor screws on the levers which looks like what Hope usually does
 

So im betting its some new updated hope version


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I love the fact the bike is so modern , new brakes in development, new belt drive frame, same 10+ year old 471's haha.

Definitely look like new Hopes, and as @Carraig042 mentioned it lines up with the new master cylinder we've seen. 

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2/23/2025 1:33am

What if Oak Components (also a German brand with simolar looking levers) is starting to make their own brake? 

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2/23/2025 2:58am
Fantaman wrote:
chriskief wrote:
Took me a bit to dig this up... Specialized patent drawing from late 2023.Looks like they're continuing to iterate on this.

Took me a bit to dig this up... Specialized patent drawing from late 2023.

Looks like they're continuing to iterate on this.

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The idler is moved forward on the version they build, probably to get it closer to the instant centre.

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2/23/2025 6:28am
shreda wrote:

What if Oak Components (also a German brand with simolar looking levers) is starting to make their own brake? 

What about Galfer themselves? Wasn’t there a rumor they are prototyping their own brake? 
And while speaking about brakes, what happened to those Hayes proto calipers that were rumored to be a Dominion gen2? There was a photo of them and then nothing…

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shreda wrote:

What if Oak Components (also a German brand with simolar looking levers) is starting to make their own brake? 

What about Galfer themselves? Wasn’t there a rumor they are prototyping their own brake? And while speaking about brakes, what happened to those Hayes proto calipers that...

What about Galfer themselves? Wasn’t there a rumor they are prototyping their own brake? 
And while speaking about brakes, what happened to those Hayes proto calipers that were rumored to be a Dominion gen2? There was a photo of them and then nothing…

Yeah I was going to suggest Galfer also.  I think there was also a photo circulating from them about a year ago of a proto caliper also in raw finish.  I wonder if they go the Cascade Components route and do just the caliper at first, then work on lever second, or if they do a complete brake set.

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Was this posted before? Simon Maurer on some brakes. Caliper reminds me of Trickstuff.

Was this posted before? Simon Maurer on some brakes. Caliper reminds me of Trickstuff. Screenshot 2025-02-22-22-37-37-410 com.instagram.androidScreenshot 2025-02-22-22-34-34-613 com.instagram.androidScreenshot 2025-02-22-22-36-09-357 com.instagram.android 0

Etney wrote:
 I first thought trickstuff as well, machining looks very nice, and the color of the pads looks like trickstuff power. But, there is a snapshot when he...

 

I first thought trickstuff as well, machining looks very nice, and the color of the pads looks like trickstuff power. 

But, there is a snapshot when he leans the bike over to the other side, and you can clearly see whatever Hope does when you can remove the pistons. 

And the banjo fitting on the caliper is the same as Hope uses, different from trickstuff. Also there are some adjustor screws on the levers which looks like what Hope usually does
 

So im betting its some new updated hope version


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Those are Galfer rotors. I’d assume Hope or Trickstuff would do development with their own rotors. 

Galfer makes Hope's pads IIRC...

And to further muddy the waters, MTX makes aftermarket pads for Hope and their race compound pads are red...image 210.png?VersionId=8Hx21hoFTc35UizKpmjt

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