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2/4/2025 5:57pm Edited Date/Time 2/4/2025 5:57pm
So one reason why I'm hesistant to share breakages of bikes online is that stuff sticks around forever.....I worked for a Yeti dealer at that time...

So one reason why I'm hesistant to share breakages of bikes online is that stuff sticks around forever.....I worked for a Yeti dealer at that time when the "pre production" frames had thin chainstays which cracked very easily. But it was just that very small number of initial bikes, I think we sold 2 SB6's from the batch and yeah they broke but the dozens that followed were fine in that regard (not perfrect bikes but the chainstays were actually fixed). But that reputation definitely stuck with Yeti which is a shame since it was such a small number of bikes, as opposed to a brand that has repeated similar failures

With the pivot - I'm no fan of armchair engineering but I looked up the spec and they claim 35 pounds for the complete bike?! There is a crazy amount of extra hardware so theres not much left for the frame tubes 😬 I don't get why companies still insist on cutting out so much weight from their bikes! It's a completely different manufacturing process to the prototypes so why wouldn't they beef it up just to be safe?

Nobble wrote:
I worked at a dealer during that time too and it was absolutely as bad as the internet thought it was.I don’t buy the “pre-production” excuse...

I worked at a dealer during that time too and it was absolutely as bad as the internet thought it was.


I don’t buy the “pre-production” excuse. They all exploded, pretty much every SB5c and SB6c we sold. Front end, rear end, they all broke. At one point we had two bike boxes full of dead triangles.

I also worked at a dealer when the SBs launched and yeah, it was as bad as the comment sections made it sound

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2/4/2025 6:08pm
sspomer wrote:

re: bernard's wheel at such a peculiar angle - we have a thread about that 😬 

Engineered to entertain.

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2/4/2025 6:09pm
Nobble wrote:
I worked at a dealer during that time too and it was absolutely as bad as the internet thought it was.I don’t buy the “pre-production” excuse...

I worked at a dealer during that time too and it was absolutely as bad as the internet thought it was.


I don’t buy the “pre-production” excuse. They all exploded, pretty much every SB5c and SB6c we sold. Front end, rear end, they all broke. At one point we had two bike boxes full of dead triangles.

I'll see your two boxes and raise you:

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2/4/2025 8:00pm
chriskief wrote:

Drive side seat stay appears to have let go.

Etney wrote:
Yeah, sure looks like it snapped in half.  Should probably not look like this

Yeah, sure looks like it snapped in half. 

 

Should probably not look like this
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peecee wrote:
Can't wait for Pivots next HQ video about why the bike failed and them trying to claw back the customers 

Can't wait for Pivots next HQ video about why the bike failed and them trying to claw back the customers 

Probably not the super marketing boost they were hoping for.

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2/4/2025 8:06pm
jonkranked wrote:
I'll see your two boxes and raise you:

I'll see your two boxes and raise you:

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Need to resurrect the old Ridemonkey thread about all of those breaking. That was some internet gold. 

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2/4/2025 8:16pm
Nobble wrote:
I worked at a dealer during that time too and it was absolutely as bad as the internet thought it was.I don’t buy the “pre-production” excuse...

I worked at a dealer during that time too and it was absolutely as bad as the internet thought it was.


I don’t buy the “pre-production” excuse. They all exploded, pretty much every SB5c and SB6c we sold. Front end, rear end, they all broke. At one point we had two bike boxes full of dead triangles.

jonkranked wrote:
I'll see your two boxes and raise you:

I'll see your two boxes and raise you:

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That looks like a Similar pile i seen of Supreme DH v4's.
Also, While i've never been keen on Evil, my friend goes through a frame every 6-7 months. 
200lbs and bang right by the downtube bolt... every single time(same place as VanCan's always broke)

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2/4/2025 8:43pm
sspomer wrote:
vital's pivot trailcat featurehttps://www.vitalmtb.com/features/first-ride-pivots-all-new-trailcat-sl-trailcat-lt
Dasf wrote:

Any rumors about a new/updated Firebird?

...asking for a friend...

I've heard from a friend who knows a Pivot distributor that the next Firebird is gonna have a high-pivot.

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2/4/2025 9:08pm
sspomer wrote:
vital's pivot trailcat featurehttps://www.vitalmtb.com/features/first-ride-pivots-all-new-trailcat-sl-trailcat-lt
Dasf wrote:

Any rumors about a new/updated Firebird?

...asking for a friend...

I've heard from a friend who knows a Pivot distributor that the next Firebird is gonna have a high-pivot.

Didn't we already see a prototype Firebird with the same lugged construction as the proto DH bike? Swear I saw one 3-4 months ago? 

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2/4/2025 9:43pm
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Frame definitely cracked somewhere. Looks like maybe 'seat stay' snapped this time. Bike low-riding and rear wheel pitched to the right. 

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2/4/2025 9:54pm

Both seat stays are broken

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2/4/2025 10:04pm
So one reason why I'm hesistant to share breakages of bikes online is that stuff sticks around forever.....I worked for a Yeti dealer at that time...

So one reason why I'm hesistant to share breakages of bikes online is that stuff sticks around forever.....I worked for a Yeti dealer at that time when the "pre production" frames had thin chainstays which cracked very easily. But it was just that very small number of initial bikes, I think we sold 2 SB6's from the batch and yeah they broke but the dozens that followed were fine in that regard (not perfrect bikes but the chainstays were actually fixed). But that reputation definitely stuck with Yeti which is a shame since it was such a small number of bikes, as opposed to a brand that has repeated similar failures

With the pivot - I'm no fan of armchair engineering but I looked up the spec and they claim 35 pounds for the complete bike?! There is a crazy amount of extra hardware so theres not much left for the frame tubes 😬 I don't get why companies still insist on cutting out so much weight from their bikes! It's a completely different manufacturing process to the prototypes so why wouldn't they beef it up just to be safe?

Nobble wrote:
I worked at a dealer during that time too and it was absolutely as bad as the internet thought it was.I don’t buy the “pre-production” excuse...

I worked at a dealer during that time too and it was absolutely as bad as the internet thought it was.


I don’t buy the “pre-production” excuse. They all exploded, pretty much every SB5c and SB6c we sold. Front end, rear end, they all broke. At one point we had two bike boxes full of dead triangles.

I also worked at a dealer when the SBs launched and yeah, it was as bad as the comment sections made it sound

I wasn't even a Yeti dealer, and even my shop had a stack of broken ones out the back that Kashi wasn't interested in having back.

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2/4/2025 10:58pm

Neko postet pics of Asas Hardline Bike

New volume spacers from Fox.
IMG 2730

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2/4/2025 11:43pm
Aksel_Lfft wrote:

Thanks all for the head's up ! Missed the info for sure 

P.S: Love being downvoted for asking a simple question 😅

To be fair mate the S Series bikes have been out for 6 months now. You've had to be living under a massive rock to miss them 

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2/4/2025 11:44pm
mrks wrote:
Neko postet pics of Asas Hardline BikeNew volume spacers from Fox.

Neko postet pics of Asas Hardline Bike

New volume spacers from Fox.
IMG 2730

They're really going all out on making it completely different than the last X2.

"See guys it actually is all new this time"

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2/5/2025 1:45am
Finkill wrote:

Exactly this, the position variation on the marking will easily be a couple of mm or more. 

MrDuck wrote:
So I've heard on the internet,but measured all my RF, OneUp, Chromag bars, and they're all pretty much bang on, within a mm. Doesn't hurt to...

So I've heard on the internet,but measured all my RF, OneUp, Chromag bars, and they're all pretty much bang on, within a mm. Doesn't hurt to check,but is it really that common? 

ballz wrote:

A few RF bars I had back in the day were routinely 5mm off.

One year DMR fncked up and labeled all the lines as if you were cutting 10 mm of your bars. I.e. 780mm has a 750mm mark on both ends. The only problem was they were 10mm apart, not 5mm so a lot of people had bars 10mm marrower than expected 

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2/5/2025 1:56am
Frame definitely cracked somewhere. Looks like maybe 'seat stay' snapped this time. Bike low-riding and rear wheel pitched to the right. 
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Frame definitely cracked somewhere. Looks like maybe 'seat stay' snapped this time. Bike low-riding and rear wheel pitched to the right. 

Atherton, Yeti, commencal ETC use a bearing pivot on their 6-bar linkages for a reason. 

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2/5/2025 5:55am Edited Date/Time 2/5/2025 5:56am
xy9ine wrote:
apparently some guy mated a new front triangle to a balfa bb7 rear. pretty cool! (image found on fb):

apparently some guy mated a new front triangle to a balfa bb7 rear. pretty cool! (image found on fb):

bb7.jpg?VersionId=nupymyCKkiFw9SF1V

I belive that is André's bike - One of the guys that works at Intend, and the guy most likely to answer if you email them. Super nice guy, and I believe he welds the front triangles himself. He's done a few bikes himself iirc. 

Thats also a way better pic of that new (what I assume is) twintubed shock. As well as a carbon prototype blackline fork

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2/5/2025 5:58am

Maybe not super interesting - But seems like Dan Booker is rocking some blue/green-ish Mavens on his Hardline SC V10.

Possibly a new limited run from Sram, pattern similar to the red ones they released at launch? 

Skimmed through Jack Moirs videos, and this was the only clear-ish shot I could get of them. Im sure there are better images to have from photographers or other ytube vids. 

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2/5/2025 6:01am
Etney wrote:
Maybe not super interesting - But seems like Dan Booker is rocking some blue/green-ish Mavens on his Hardline SC V10.Possibly a new limited run from Sram...

Maybe not super interesting - But seems like Dan Booker is rocking some blue/green-ish Mavens on his Hardline SC V10.

Possibly a new limited run from Sram, pattern similar to the red ones they released at launch? 

Skimmed through Jack Moirs videos, and this was the only clear-ish shot I could get of them. Im sure there are better images to have from photographers or other ytube vids. 

b4d214892ac51c3d3b726957e9570f73.jpg?VersionId=b63LCWqrdwJAghsGljmo0EFF

troy brosnan had something about them in his vlog from the first day of hardline, think that they are just a new colour.

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2/5/2025 6:31am
mitch160 wrote:

troy brosnan had something about them in his vlog from the first day of hardline, think that they are just a new colour.

Ah good catch! Yeah, looks like they're a similar pattern to the red ones from last year. Half the caliper is black, and the outside is "teal" with the acid stains or whatever they called it.

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2/5/2025 7:28am
mitch160 wrote:

troy brosnan had something about them in his vlog from the first day of hardline, think that they are just a new colour.

Etney wrote:
Ah good catch! Yeah, looks like they're a similar pattern to the red ones from last year. Half the caliper is black, and the outside is...

Ah good catch! Yeah, looks like they're a similar pattern to the red ones from last year. Half the caliper is black, and the outside is "teal" with the acid stains or whatever they called it.

5d2bfeb4651fbe9079ecce532eac2f56.jpg?VersionId=cr0kwqPylD6PMjPa7CK3VBkMld92Qv

yeah godziek has em too

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2/5/2025 9:27am
xy9ine wrote:
apparently some guy mated a new front triangle to a balfa bb7 rear. pretty cool! (image found on fb):

apparently some guy mated a new front triangle to a balfa bb7 rear. pretty cool! (image found on fb):

bb7.jpg?VersionId=nupymyCKkiFw9SF1V

oh sick! I still regret not hanging on to my 02 bb7 frame when I moved to Nelson for a year in 2012...

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2/5/2025 10:02am Edited Date/Time 2/5/2025 10:02am

If the Pivot is the only bike that breaks this week from that drop (which it likely will be at this point), then it's not a good look for Pivot. While hardline is an extreme use case, if all the other brand's bikes hold up, it shows that the Pivot is not as strong. For instance, there are guys like Bulldog, who probably outweighs BK by 30%+, coming off the same drop on his 'cheap' ARI frame and it's holding up. The Pivot frame is VERY light. I believe the lightest weight production frame (by far). I'm assuming Pivot engineers are already at their computers today re-designing future frames to have another layer or two of carbon.  

 

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2/5/2025 11:03am

The new flex rear-end Wink

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2/5/2025 11:07am
If the Pivot is the only bike that breaks this week from that drop (which it likely will be at this point), then it's not a...

If the Pivot is the only bike that breaks this week from that drop (which it likely will be at this point), then it's not a good look for Pivot. While hardline is an extreme use case, if all the other brand's bikes hold up, it shows that the Pivot is not as strong. For instance, there are guys like Bulldog, who probably outweighs BK by 30%+, coming off the same drop on his 'cheap' ARI frame and it's holding up. The Pivot frame is VERY light. I believe the lightest weight production frame (by far). I'm assuming Pivot engineers are already at their computers today re-designing future frames to have another layer or two of carbon.  

 

That same video from Moi Moi had Brooke's bike making a similar noise on landing that drop a few clips later. Brooke pulled over to inspect the frame.

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2/5/2025 11:18am
Screenshot 2025-02-05 at 14-17-41 SCOTT Gambler 20 Bike

Looks like Scott accidentally posted the yet-to-be-released Gambler's drawing to the geometry section of the current Gambler.

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2/5/2025 11:22am
jma853 wrote:
Looks like Scott accidentally posted the yet-to-be-released Gambler's drawing to the geometry section of the current Gambler.
Screenshot 2025-02-05 at 14-17-41 SCOTT Gambler 20 Bike

Looks like Scott accidentally posted the yet-to-be-released Gambler's drawing to the geometry section of the current Gambler.

they really dig that ebike look

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2/5/2025 11:23am
If the Pivot is the only bike that breaks this week from that drop (which it likely will be at this point), then it's not a...

If the Pivot is the only bike that breaks this week from that drop (which it likely will be at this point), then it's not a good look for Pivot. While hardline is an extreme use case, if all the other brand's bikes hold up, it shows that the Pivot is not as strong. For instance, there are guys like Bulldog, who probably outweighs BK by 30%+, coming off the same drop on his 'cheap' ARI frame and it's holding up. The Pivot frame is VERY light. I believe the lightest weight production frame (by far). I'm assuming Pivot engineers are already at their computers today re-designing future frames to have another layer or two of carbon.  

 

Brook and Bernard are pretty much the same weight, but thats not super important. There are much heavier riders using production bikes and they can still put some massive strain on it too! There should be more than enough margin for error in these frames that hardline isn't an issue. If it was an ultra light prototype just for racing I could understand but they shouldn't be taking that to hardline if it was, and that was a production frame being used which is not a great sign. 

This relates to one thing that always bugged me - production bikes aren't always optimised for racing, and race bikes aren't the best for mass production, so it would be better if the bikes for sale were simplified and stronger, while the race bikes can be more highly tuned to suit the very specific task. I don't know if race on sunday, sell on monday is a great argument since the number of DH bikes sold is sweet FA

 

The point is bikes shouldn't just break like that - you only need to add an extra kilo or so to make a bike wayyyyy more reliable, and the gains for going lighter are negligible compared to the risks it creates

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2/5/2025 11:26am
If the Pivot is the only bike that breaks this week from that drop (which it likely will be at this point), then it's not a...

If the Pivot is the only bike that breaks this week from that drop (which it likely will be at this point), then it's not a good look for Pivot. While hardline is an extreme use case, if all the other brand's bikes hold up, it shows that the Pivot is not as strong. For instance, there are guys like Bulldog, who probably outweighs BK by 30%+, coming off the same drop on his 'cheap' ARI frame and it's holding up. The Pivot frame is VERY light. I believe the lightest weight production frame (by far). I'm assuming Pivot engineers are already at their computers today re-designing future frames to have another layer or two of carbon.  

 

chriskief wrote:
That same video from Moi Moi had Brooke's bike making a similar noise on landing that drop a few clips later. Brooke pulled over to inspect...

That same video from Moi Moi had Brooke's bike making a similar noise on landing that drop a few clips later. Brooke pulled over to inspect the frame.

It was a brand new bike he only rode for the first time a couple of days before flying out so it's a pretty brutal way to bed it in! He barely had time to do any testing at all so I don't blame him for wanting to keep an eye on it

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2/5/2025 11:36am
jma853 wrote:
Looks like Scott accidentally posted the yet-to-be-released Gambler's drawing to the geometry section of the current Gambler.
Screenshot 2025-02-05 at 14-17-41 SCOTT Gambler 20 Bike

Looks like Scott accidentally posted the yet-to-be-released Gambler's drawing to the geometry section of the current Gambler.

That thing looks 7, maybe 8 months along? Wonder if the baby shower happened yet.

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